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Warriors' target=glory - quantumshaman - 01-07-2010

charlila wrote:




Years ago, ... I was taken on a journey




taken by whom?




My double.



quantumshaman wrote: After the experience ended, I asked him,



asked whom?




My double.


do i seem petty? i think this point is crucial.see, for example, what happend to the image of god ever after the fog wall have grown so thick; completely
distorted! \




No, you don't seem petty. However, I'm not a newbie, so I'm keenly aware of my energy at all times, particularly with
regard to who/what I choose to engage with. I say this not to be argumentative, but to assure you I'm not being hornswaggled by "baddies".
I've worked actively with my double since 1988, and indirectly since long before that - at least since I was around 8 years old.




It's rather like knowing who you are. If someone doesn't know who they are, maybe they can be led astray by IOBs or other "astral
entities". For someone who has clarity and an open channel to silent knowing, that simply isn't possible. I've had extant "forces"
attempt to pass themselves off as the double, and it's rather like what might happen if someone were to put on your son's clothing and try to fool
you at close range. You know immediately that it's an imposter because the energy signature cannot be forged. Authenticity
cannot be mimicked, so I have no fear of being "tricked" by IOBs, flyers or the like.




Interesting background knowledge you've provided. I'm still contemplating it - and thank you for sharing.




Many blessings,


Della

Warriors' target=glory - Gonzo - 01-07-2010

charlila wrote:

you'r hostile, Nagual Bonzo. for no real reason. better keep yourself strictly fair. you are biting little side bites. what a doggish
behavior.depressing!






I'm fair. I've not bitten.

charlila wrote:

(i just wonder - aren't you the Anti-nagual Gosh-Dog Himself, Would He Live Until Eagle Devour Him?)






I'm not. Here's my website http://www.yetanotherway.com

charlila wrote:





(shall we consult our Oracle?)







Please do.

Warriors' target=glory - charlila - 01-09-2010

Nagual LoneWolf wrote:

CHar...there maybe others here with more technical expertise them myself. As I come here briefly I have not time to address such issues. if there are others
here who can help please do.
LoneWolf -




you have no time and you don't know how anyway... but it seems your sheer intent is enough... my colors are back! i just had to click "edit"
again!


thank you dear!




edit: to fix the mysteryous turning of "sheer intent into "share intent". my typo? too many errors to be done absent mindely - and i definitely
decided to go for "sheer" and scip checking it in dictionary first.

Warriors' target=glory - charlila - 01-09-2010

Gonzo


thank you for coming to my aid with the ccolors (by PM).


you said (pm) you reckoned the problem caused by a bogus paragraph - a paragraph ended without any text within the paragraph (between the and
).




this doesn't explain the squares of color .




you said you are not sure what i mean by that. so:- look at the post above:





quantumshaman wrote:

Hi, Charlila...






Years ago, ... I was taken on a journey



taken by whom?



and:



quantumshaman wrote:



when I can *see* it as a movement of the double in the Now





should have appeared as -



ddddddddddd:




dddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddd




dddddddddd




and



ddddddd




ddddddddddddddd




also






I'm very sorry for the loss of your daughter and wish you both comfort and "the
edge."


thank you Della






you mean - you think the dead are still needing their "edge"?


(or you think Meitar does?)






Bad wording on my part.







i don't think so. i think you saw something.




should have appeared as -


dddddddddddddddddddddddddddddd




ddddddddddddd




dddddddddddddddddddd




ddddddddd




ddddddddddddd




(well, the wrong color of last line could be my own mistake, i can't swear it is not.)




you said - in addition to text, there might be several
which will create blank lines.




ok: but how come all this change of code? i just clicked the tool bar above, never wrote any code! (i don't know the code language too - i know the
principals, not the specific tags).






also: i followed your advise to click colors from the right-most line in that check-box; but since there is no violet there, i experimented with clicking
violet - and also the pale shade of pink - from the middle of that check-box.




results: strong pink on a back ground pale square




could it mean anything else than that someone messes with my yuku user?




what do you think?




and thanks again! great help!




and ok - saw your site - was a very foolish idea to think you were Dog..i gess it's just that gonzo-bonzo made a good rhyme,...






>>meN nything

Warriors' target=glory - Gonzo - 01-09-2010

@charlila




The explanation for the effects you are getting on some posts gets rather complicated. I can explain it if you want, however, it gets rather deeply into the
technical aspects of HTML. It looks like there have been multiple settings or choices of a background color, then no text, then a choice of text color, to keep
it simple.




Bottom line, there are no gremlins or hackers messing with your posts. This is just software trying to do what it thinks you want...




G

Warriors' target=glory - charlila - 01-09-2010

della -




searching something, i got into another LoneWolf's site - it used to be arrano's - and since i last saw it, it got new colors!




orange! fire!




let's leave this black lands!


hurts my eyes, enable unpleasant energies sent at me reach easily.




i'll answer you over there:


http://worldnagualforum.yuku.com/topic/678


h ttp://worldnagualforum.yuku.com/topic/678


yuku forums/the old seers/the castaneda forum/warriors target=glory; warriors' goal=freedom

Warriors' target=glory - charlila - 01-09-2010

Gonzo wrote:





Bottom line, there are no gremlins or hackers messing with your posts. This is just software trying to do what it thinks you want...




G
hmm....




somewhere else i found my posts edited when i didn't touch them.




it's not very convincing by now if you see it first time - i know they are edited by a foreigner, you can't
tell; it's just my word; but have a look, if you like.




http://spiritualitydiscus...uku.com/topic/533?page=8




http://spiritualitydiscus...uku.com/topic/570?page=8




http://spiritualitydiscus...4554/t/colors-index.html

Warriors' target=glory - charlila - 01-09-2010

Gonzo wrote:

, it gets rather deeply into the
technical aspects of HTML. It looks like there have been multiple settings or choices of a background color, then no text, then a choice of text color, to
keep it simple.




Bottom line, there are no gremlins or hackers messing with your posts. This is just software trying to do what it thinks you want...




G











  


 


no gremlins??

you sure???





look, i'm a bit ignorant here (understatement) but - how can there be
"multiple choices" when all i can do is click buttons on the check
box? and when i click again it automatically postpones the past choices - or so
it acted before? (for when i coudn't post color i tried also to delete the
color to start freshly - but it would not have deleted, that is' on the edit
box.)



And how is it possible this kind software saved my colors in "edit"
state but refused to show them on board? (and this during the night, when my PC
was shut closed, modem disconnected. thou true - i couldn't disconnect the
modem properly, for,  as happens  sometimes, instead of opening the window of
"conect\disconect", opened a little window saying "modem's
program is already open!" so all i can do is disconnect it physically, but
when i reconnect, next time i open my PC, i get the same window - announcing it
is already open (but then opens the window of conect\disconent.)



and how come it chose a possibility non-existent on that check-box (the
squares?)

than i moved there:



 http://worldnagualforum.yuku.com/topic/678


yuku forums>the Castaneda forum>the old seers>warriorsss
target=glory;warriors goal-freedom



and couldn't post colors!





so i copied the text to a window document - and couldn't delete the colors!



so i copied the text to notebook document - and it turned the lines (moving punctuation
marks at the of a line to the beginning of the line. This phenomena occurs on
some pages when shifting between Hebrew and English.)

copying back to windows, changing punctuation marks line by line… writing new
text it still put them PMs at the beginning! i looked to see if it was on
"Hebrew" - yes. Clicked "English" - no change. tried this
and that... no change. occasionally i clicked "Hebrew"(the doc was in
English) - and the PMs jumped into place!



BUT when i copied it to editing box and clicked "save" - no colors.
re- erranged all the colors (no back ground, just font colors this time) - no
colors and the text align right. clicked align left - nothing. clicked all
different alignments - nothing.  Changed browser - the other browser
claimed this page didn't exist. opened it from the forum's page - it did exist,
and no problem to edit colors this time.)



are you telling me it's all a work of a well-intending program?

help!!!

i'll rather have gremlins!!!







i won't ask you to bother and explain the HTML aspects - that will be unfair,
since i don't intend to study it thoroughly  -  but do tell me one
thing: though (I geuss, i might be wrong) each of this incidents could be
possibly explained as a coincidence of sorts – aren't they - by the principle
of ocam razors - just too many such thing to be a collection of coincidence? or
am i wrong?)





no gremlins??

you sure???





look, i'm a bit ignorant here (understatement) but - how can there be
"multiple choices" when all i can do is click buttons on the check
box? and when i click again it automatically postpones the past choices - or so
it acted before? (for when i coudn't post color i tried also to delete the
color to start freshly - but it would not have deleted, that is' on the edit
box.)



And how is it possible this kind software saved my colors in "edit"
state but refused to show them on board? (and this during the night, when my PC
was shut closed, modem disconnected. thou true - i couldn't disconnect the
modem properly, for,  as happens  sometimes, instead of opening the window of
"conect\disconect", opened a little window saying "modem's
program is already open!" so all i can do is disconnect it physically, but
when i reconnect, next time i open my PC, i get the same window - announcing it
is already open (but then opens the window of conect\disconent.)



and how come it chose a possibility non-existent on that check-box (the
squares?)

than i moved there:



 http://worldnagualforum.yuku.com/topic/678


yuku forums>the Castaneda forum>the old seers>warriorsss
target=glory;warriors goal-freedom



and couldn't post colors!





so i copied the text to a window document - and couldn't delete the colors!



so i copied the text to notebook document - and it turned the lines (moving punctuation
marks at the of a line to the beginning of the line. This phenomena occurs on
some pages when shifting between Hebrew and English.)

copying back to windows, changing punctuation marks line by line… writing new
text it still put them PMs at the beginning! i looked to see if it was on
"Hebrew" - yes. Clicked "English" - no change. tried this
and that... no change. occasionally i clicked "Hebrew"(the doc was in
English) - and the PMs jumped into place!



BUT when i copied it to editing box and clicked "save" - no colors.
re- erranged all the colors (no back ground, just font colors this time) - no
colors and the text align right. clicked align left - nothing. clicked all
different alignments - nothing.  Changed browser - the other browser
claimed this page didn't exist. opened it from the forum's page - it did exist,
and no problem to edit colors this time.)



are you telling me it's all a work of a well-intending program?

help!!!

i'll rather have gremlins!!!







i won't ask you to bother and explain the HTML aspects - that will be unfair,
since i don't intend to study it thoroughly  -  but do tell me one
thing: though (I geuss, i might be wrong) each of this incidents could be
possibly explained as a coincidence of sorts – aren't they - by the principle
of ocam razors - just too many such thing to be a collection of coincidence? or
am i wrong?)
 





no gremlins??

you sure???





look, i'm a bit ignorant here (understatement) but - how can there be
"multiple choices" when all i can do is click buttons on the check
box? and when i click again it automatically postpones the past choices - or so
it acted before? (for when i coudn't post color i tried also to delete the
color to start freshly - but it would not have deleted, that is' on the edit
box.)



And how is it possible this kind software saved my colors in "edit"
state but refused to show them on board? (and this during the night, when my PC
was shut closed, modem disconnected. thou true - i couldn't disconnect the
modem properly, for,  as happens  sometimes, instead of opening the window of
"conect\disconect", opened a little window saying "modem's
program is already open!" so all i can do is disconnect it physically, but
when i reconnect, next time i open my PC, i get the same window - announcing it
is already open (but then opens the window of conect\disconent.)



and how come it chose a possibility non-existent on that check-box (the
squares?)

than i moved there:



 http://worldnagualforum.yuku.com/topic/678


yuku forums>the Castaneda forum>the old seers>warriorsss
target=glory;warriors goal-freedom



and couldn't post colors!





so i copied the text to a window document - and couldn't delete the colors!



so i copied the text to notebook document - and it turned the lines (moving punctuation
marks at the of a line to the beginning of the line. This phenomena occurs on
some pages when shifting between Hebrew and English.)

copying back to windows, changing punctuation marks line by line… writing new
text it still put them PMs at the beginning! i looked to see if it was on
"Hebrew" - yes. Clicked "English" - no change. tried this
and that... no change. occasionally i clicked "Hebrew"(the doc was in
English) - and the PMs jumped into place!



BUT when i copied it to editing box and clicked "save" - no colors.
re- erranged all the colors (no back ground, just font colors this time) - no
colors and the text align right. clicked align left - nothing. clicked all
different alignments - nothing.  Changed browser - the other browser
claimed this page didn't exist. opened it from the forum's page - it did exist,
and no problem to edit colors this time.)



are you telling me it's all a work of a well-intending program?

help!!!

i'll rather have gremlins!!!







i won't ask you to bother and explain the HTML aspects - that will be unfair,
since i don't intend to study it thoroughly  -  but do tell me one
thing: though (I geuss, i might be wrong) each of this incidents could be
possibly explained as a coincidence of sorts – aren't they - by the principle
of ocam razors - just too many such thing to be a collection of coincidence? or
am i wrong?)
 





no gremlins??

you sure???





look, i'm a bit ignorant here (understatement) but - how can there be
"multiple choices" when all i can do is click buttons on the check
box? and when i click again it automatically postpones the past choices - or so
it acted before? (for when i coudn't post color i tried also to delete the
color to start freshly - but it would not have deleted, that is' on the edit
box.)



And how is it possible this kind software saved my colors in "edit"
state but refused to show them on board? (and this during the night, when my PC
was shut closed, modem disconnected. thou true - i couldn't disconnect the
modem properly, for,  as happens  sometimes, instead of opening the window of
"conect\disconect", opened a little window saying "modem's
program is already open!" so all i can do is disconnect it physically, but
when i reconnect, next time i open my PC, i get the same window - announcing it
is already open (but then opens the window of conect\disconent.)



and how come it chose a possibility non-existent on that check-box (the
squares?)

than i moved there:



 http://worldnagualforum.yuku.com/topic/678


yuku forums>the Castaneda forum>the old seers>warriorsss
target=glory;warriors goal-freedom



and couldn't post colors!





so i copied the text to a window document - and couldn't delete the colors!



so i copied the text to notebook document - and it turned the lines (moving punctuation
marks at the of a line to the beginning of the line. This phenomena occurs on
some pages when shifting between Hebrew and English.)

copying back to windows, changing punctuation marks line by line… writing new
text it still put them PMs at the beginning! i looked to see if it was on
"Hebrew" - yes. Clicked "English" - no change. tried this
and that... no change. occasionally i clicked "Hebrew"(the doc was in
English) - and the PMs jumped into place!



BUT when i copied it to editing box and clicked "save" - no colors.
re- erranged all the colors (no back ground, just font colors this time) - no
colors and the text align right. clicked align left - nothing. clicked all
different alignments - nothing.  Changed browser - the other browser
claimed this page didn't exist. opened it from the forum's page - it did exist,
and no problem to edit colors this time.)



are you telling me it's all a work of a well-intending program?

help!!!

i'll rather have gremlins!!!







i won't ask you to bother and explain the HTML aspects - that will be unfair,
since i don't intend to study it thoroughly  -  but do tell me one
thing: though (I geuss, i might be wrong) each of this incidents could be
possibly explained as a coincidence of sorts – aren't they - by the principle
of ocam razors - just too many such thing to be a collection of coincidence? or
am i wrong?)


edit: i had to edit for i got the lines aliged to write again. clicking on different elighment changed nothing, but after clikcing "edit" they mysteriously aligned left.
here is the post on castaneda forum as produced by my other browsr:
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Posts: 142



01/09/10
08:08:38











Tags: None


...




charlila wrote:


last 11,000 (or is it 24,000?)earth years [or so i claim] passed (on
earth and all who dwell inside her induction field) in deep amnesia.
all we can remember
from that period is flat like a poster.



i am privileged - or ill=fated - to have lived once on another time
scale (as butterflies, for example, are living on another time-scale
than elephants -
butterflies would remember 30 years ago as ancient times, while an
elephant or a human would still remember some) - so i still remember
some. (it's not
like this life memory; hardly any visions; i recognize people, places,
stories,some of those evoke memories. BUT i remember who i am, where i
belong, what is
my job, bits and pieces from my skills, whom i love, to whom i am
faithful, what i came to do here now,a general construct of a magical
language, tones of
poetry and an old advise: "at least enjoy!")



quantum shaman wrote:


DJM said...


.... Your double is dreaming you. ... That's the mystery of us as
luminous beings. You can awaken in either one. (don Juan, TALES OF
POWER)


-Amnesia makes it all the more tricky-







quantum saman:


The double... is free to move both inside and outside of time/space/gender…


Charlila:


imho "inside" and "outside" are both point of views, both needed


THOU - most doubles ARE signed by gender.





those whose double's gender signature is blank, like the tenant, are not human - they are alchevi" (IBs, the
tunnels)."





a group of them got stuck in human body on
earth when the wall of fog seperated right side of awareness from left,
and since
originally they are not from a du-gendered specie, they can incarnate
in both genders equally - which has to do with xoxonopo's reverse of
gender


I'm very sorry for the loss of your daughter and wish you both comfort and "the edge."


thank you Della


"? you mean - you think the dead are still needing their "edge


(?or you think Meitar does?)


Bad wording on my part.


i don't think so. i think you saw something.


I perceive our mortal lives as finite
UNLESS we take ... steps ... to facilitate our evolution. ... the
creation & nurturing
of the double - ...the energetic vessel ... to house our awareness
following our mortal death.


this is from my past-life memory ..


in my own tribe, one of the saraf tribes'
assembly,creatures (humans, animals, plants and spirits - it's even not
an
original human tribe, though humans got the leadership) lived together
as a tribe not for a life-time, but for 15 lifetimes: first 10 to
master the tonal, in
order to optimize surviving strategies here on earth; the next 5 to
master the nagual, in order to train for THE JOURNEY TO THE SUM. [the
sun is the gate to
glory(=the space outside universes), while the universe is the womb
where we grow; the sun' to follow the analogy, is the vagina. the
journey is a birth to
the next dimension field.





this is the normal course of evolution.


such an immense love induction-field!


such a happiness!





it was broken and evolution got stuck - we,
all earth habitants, are all stuck here on for already 11,000 or maybe
22,000 or 24,000
years - ever since the fall of the Gate-House (=the Babylon tower) and
the destruction of Taghuar (the native land of the saraf.)





earth's trauma at the two successive events - the destruction of taghuar+the falling of the touwer - caused post-traumatic
effect - amnesia.





that's how come it is so easy to sell you the story that the double's map to ALL-TIME is all there is... a 2-dimensional
scheme of past, present end future...





an optical illusion!











And, of course, that's further assuming g that one doesn't take the route of becoming a death defier or tenant.





in Arabic they say Ba'eed Minac - far from you!





As I said... degrees of complexity…








no! degree of amnesia!





...make it impossible to give a single, simple answer.





normal evolution gives a simple, single
answer - a very long, hard and beautiful path with heart, [at least]15
lifetimes long (that
is, for humans - the length depends of course on the specie.)








Personally, I perceive death as final for beings whom don Juan referred to as "ordinary men" - meaning those who never
take any measures to evolve beyond the organic form they inhabit.











ordinary men are those immersed deep in
amnesia. or otherwise - those from young generations, who never been
awake, never had the
chance to raduallly wake. in a normal world, you evolve as naturally as
a baby is growing.





death is like sleep - in between life-times - would you like to skip all sleep? image not such a good idea...





personally i'm so very tired -like my cat Namer who was a fighter got, and at age 4 was so very old... like the Chinese master
whos name i forgot who wrote, shortly before he died (a quickie translation from a translation to Hebrew:





i'm satiated.


i set the chopsticks down.





-i remember particularly one day, not long
before disaster stroke, i took my dog for a walk, lied down on a
terrace in the strong
breeze - fell asleep - felt all i just want is to lay in the wind...
forever.





i believe i could have left my body than, in peace. but i couldn't leave my kids. and i had no dismissal from my job. and now
i'm obliged to stay even more, for i promised Meitar that her death will not be in vein. so i'll stay to the end.





evolution-wise, the function of death is
debuggin. when the normal karma releasing devices (which are out of
order now) can't do
more repair, when the body - and mind - have accumulated too many bugs,
death gives the soul opportunity to get refreshed, to get rid of all
bugs at once, also
to come back with a new body, into a new situation. (thou in a normal
world you born, unless on emergency, knwoing - remembering - who are
your parents, who
are your brothers and sisters, as well as who is your spouse and
children.)





would i like to stay forever in this old body, in this same furrow (is this DG'a term?) forever? of course not. no i want to
take of to the son with my tribe at the end? you bet!





a tiny task was left before we'll be able to do this: to get rid of all the karma. to do that, the karma net has to be exploded.
this is the isuue of fighting now - exploding the karma net in time.


(i'll try to find a link to my article "the hitch hiker guide to exploding the qarma nwt", if it is still on line. not
now - i'm too tired.)








But for those who take death as their advisor and look squarely at the reality of "beings who are going to die" and
then begin to live their lives accordingly... maybe (only a maybe) there is an alternative to this thing we call "death."





yea - these are the issues for graduating to glory.


Just my own rambling thoughts on a cool Tuesday morning here in the desert.


Thanks for listening, and thanks for your feedback.




Many blessings,


Della






pleasant dreams.




lillith




does this freindly program\gremlin keeps me editing posts, and than when something is changed, it's edited by me.
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and here it is as eventually posted:
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[i reply instead of editing for
i'v wasted an hour already playing with this post and it keep acting weird see
at the end of this post]
quantum saman:

The double... is free to move both inside and
outside of time/space/gender…

Charlila:

imho "inside" and "outside" are both point of
views, both needed

THOU - most doubles ARE signed by gender.


those whose double's gender signature is blank, like the tenant,
are not human - they are alchevi" (IBs, the tunnels)."


a
group of them got stuck in human body on earth when the wall of fog seperated
right side of awareness from left, and since originally they are not from a
du-gendered specie, they can incarnate in both genders equally - which has to do
with xoxonopo's reverse of gender

I'm very sorry for the loss of
your daughter and wish you both comfort and "the edge."

thank you Della

"? you mean - you think the dead are still needing their
"edge

(?or you think Meitar does?)

Bad wording on my part.

i
don't think so. i think you saw something.

I
perceive our mortal lives as finite UNLESS we take ... steps ... to facilitate
our evolution. ... the creation & nurturing of the double - ...the energetic
vessel ... to house our awareness following our mortal death.

this is from my past-life memory ..

in
my own tribe, one of the saraf tribes' assembly,creatures (humans, animals,
plants and spirits - it's even not an original human tribe, though humans got
the leadership) lived together as a tribe not for a life-time, but for 15
lifetimes: first 10 to master the tonal, in order to optimize surviving
strategies here on earth; the next 5 to master the nagual, in order to train for
THE JOURNEY TO THE SUM. [the sun is the gate to glory(=the space outside
universes), while the universe is the womb where we grow; the sun' to follow the
analogy, is the vagina. the journey is a birth to the next dimension
field.


this is the normal course of evolution.

such an immense love induction-field!

such a happiness!


it
was broken and evolution got stuck - we, all earth habitants, are all stuck here
on for already 11,000 or maybe 22,000 or 24,000 years - ever since the fall of
the Gate-House (=the Babylon tower) and the destruction of Taghuar (the native
land of the saraf.)


earth's trauma at the two successive events - the destruction of
taghuar+the falling of the touwer - caused post-traumatic effect -
amnesia.


that's how come it is so easy to sell you the story that the
double's map to ALL-TIME is all there is... a 2-dimensional scheme of past,
present end future...


an
optical illusion!




And, of course, that's further assuming g that one doesn't take
the route of becoming a death defier or tenant.


in
Arabic they say Ba'eed Minac - far from you!


As
I said... degrees of complexity…



no! degree of amnesia!


...make it impossible to give a single, simple answer.


normal evolution gives a simple, single answer - a very long, hard
and beautiful path with heart, [at least]15 lifetimes long (that is, for humans
- the length depends of course on the specie.)



Personally, I perceive death as final for beings whom don Juan
referred to as "ordinary men" - meaning those who never take any measures to
evolve beyond the organic form they inhabit.




ordinary men are those immersed deep in amnesia.
or otherwise - those from young generations, who never been awake, never had the
chance to raduallly wake. in a normal world, you evolve as naturally as a baby
is growing.


death is like sleep - in between life-times - would you like to
skip all sleep? image not such a good idea...


personally i'm so very tired -like my cat Namer
who was a fighter got, and at age 4 was so very old... like the Chinese master
whos name i forgot who wrote, shortly before he died (a quickie translation from
a translation to Hebrew:


i'm satiated.

i
set the chopsticks down.


-i remember particularly one
day, not long before disaster stroke, i took my dog for a walk, lied down on a
terrace in the strong breeze - fell asleep - felt all i just want is to lay in
the wind... forever.


i
believe i could have left my body than, in peace. but i couldn't leave my kids.
and i had no dismissal from my job. and now i'm obliged to stay even more, for i
promised Meitar that her death will not be in vein. so i'll stay to the
end.


evolution-wise, the function of death is debuggin.
when the normal karma releasing devices (which are out of order now) can't do
more repair, when the body - and mind - have accumulated too many bugs, death
gives the soul opportunity to get refreshed, to get rid of all bugs at once,
also to come back with a new body, into a new situation. (thou in a normal world
you born, unless on emergency, knwoing - remembering - who are your parents, who
are your brothers and sisters, as well as who is your spouse and
children.)


would i like to stay forever in this old body, in
this same furrow (is this DG'a term?) forever? of course not. no i want to take
of to the son with my tribe at the end? you bet!


a
tiny task was left before we'll be able to do this: to get rid of all the karma.
to do that, the karma net has to be exploded. this is the isuue of fighting now
- exploding the karma net in time.

(i'll try to find a link to
my article "the hitch hiker guide to exploding the qarma nwt", if it is still on
line. not now - i'm too tired.)



But for those who take death as their advisor and look squarely at
the reality of "beings who are going to die" and then begin to live their lives
accordingly... maybe (only a maybe) there is an alternative to this thing we
call "death."


yea - these are the issues for graduating to
glory.
next della's post:
charlila:
taken by whom?

My double.

quantumshaman wrote:
After the experience ended, I asked him,



asked whom?
My double.

do i seem petty? i think this point is crucial.see, for example, what
happend to the image of god ever after the fog wall have grown so thick;
completely distorted! \
No, you don't seem petty.
However, I'm not a newbie, so I'm keenly aware of my energy at all times,
particularly with regard to who/what I choose to engage with. I say
this not to be argumentative, but to assure you I'm not being hornswaggled by
"baddies". I've worked actively with my double since 1988, and indirectly since
long before that - at least since I was around 8 years old.
It's rather
like knowing who you are. If someone doesn't know who they are, maybe they can
be led astray by IOBs or other "astral entities". For someone who has clarity
and an open channel to silent knowing, that simply isn't possible. I've had
extant "forces" attempt to pass themselves off as the double, and it's rather
like what might happen if someone were to put on your son's clothing and try to
fool you at close range. You know immediately that
it's an imposter because the energy signature cannot be forged. Authenticity
cannot be mimicked, so I have no fear of being "tricked" by IOBs, flyers or the
like.
Interesting background knowledge you've provided. I'm still
contemplating it - and thank you for sharing.
Many blessings,
Della

Hey Della

i browsed your site,
red exerpts, and one thing you will have to explain to me: you were saying
Orlando is your double AND in the same time your nagual man - right?
did i
get it right? no comprendo nada! would you explain?
nice site... well, a
lot to choose from, together with the curved font, makes the decition what to
click hard... but i'm being pathetic, your buisness desitions proved a lot
better than mine... )

a star-treck writer! wow! here you got my admiration!
a vempires
romace writer! that's how you get along so well with "tenants"?
( i click
"post" and take a breake.)
[i reply instead of
editing for i'v wasted an hour already playing with this post and it keep acting
weird see at the end of this post] - like elighning to the write no matter ehat
i do - also not respondidng to color change again - and when i tryed sifting
browser, it said the page does not exixt. openint the forom>the thread, it
does exist. now let's see how it is in this browserSmile
(tested the color:
works. but hey, it worked also on the other browser at first!
here:

http://worldnagualforum.yuku.com/sreply ... -sun-.html

there is color!)

oh, maybe because i kept some of the colored
background square?
(could not delete it... copied all to word and the
"squares" of back ground colors - also other back-ground colors - still on...
copied it to notebook and it turned the last tag to line beginning - before my
notebook was fine on both languages... then word too messed the lines -
occasionally i discovered that when i clicked "Hebrew" it followed the
definitions correct for "inglish" (didn't check the vice versa)
so what now?
it is deleted on other brouser - if i copy from last post, same troubles...

???







Last Edited By: charlila 01/09/10 09:23:07. Edited 1 time.

Warriors' target=glory - Gonzo - 01-09-2010

@Charlila




You don't have gremlins. What you are describing doing is called "pounding" - which is to expect immediate results from every keystroke, and
when it doesn't occur, to continue trying something else, and when that doesn't work, to try something else, perhaps on another board.




All of the Yuku boards use the same software. That you get results you want on another board proves nothing, because what you did there was not an exact
duplicate of what you did here. If you would click on the HTML icon next to the word "spellcheck" in edit windows, you would see the code you are
generating.




To repeat...you don't have gremlins...the software IS trying to do what you want, and no other force is messing with you.

Warriors' target=glory - charlila - 01-09-2010

NORMALLY whenone clicks a checkbox for something like, say, a choice of color there is an mediate result - the color being chosen.


isn't that so?

Warriors' target=glory - quantumshaman - 01-09-2010

Hey Della






i browsed your site, red exerpts, and one thing you will have to explain to me: you were saying Orlando is your double AND in the same time your nagual man -
right?


did i get it right? no comprendo nada! would you explain?
I've written a lot on the subject over the years, but the basic gist of it
is this - although it will involve going beyond the whole Castaneda syntax and looking at the double and the double-being from a somewhat different
perspective. Instead of trying to reiterate it all here, I'm just going to C&P a post from my old forum, which is an attempt to answer the question
you've posed.




***********






January 23, 2005




WHY DO DOUBLE BEINGS EXIST?




Any warrior can create their double, though ultimately it isn't as much a matter of "choice" as it is a matter of Intent. I might choose to go
light a candle as part of a ritual, for example, but that isn't what will create the double. It is the ache/hurt/want/need in the pit of the stomach that
provides the Intent that would make me feel a need to perform some meaningless ritual in the first place. IOW, the ritual has no real power and is a choice;
but the intent behind the ritual has ultimate power in creation, and the ritual is only a tool for focus (for those who still bother with ritual at all, that
is). Over a period of time (no one can say how long), the double is brought into being by the intent of the warrior - not the intent to create the double,
but the intent to seek knowledge, the intent to create, the intent to find the answer to that gnawing ache/hurt/want/need in the pit of the stomach. In
short, the double is created through dreaming in the sense that the energy of that ache/hurt/want/need goes into manifesting the "cure" - and that
cure is the double, which may be described as the vessel of the singularity of consciousness which emerges when all is said and done and the warrior leaves
this earth.




Double beings are another matter - and yet, at the very heart and soul and source of WHY they are double beings, it may be exactly the same thing, but
something that is being seen from another point on the time-map. I have a theory that so-called naguals such as myself are the ***-ups of the sorcerer's
equation. The theory is perhaps slightly complicated, but I need to work through it on cyberpaper, so bear with me, or go smoke a joint and come back later.





If I start from point A, and take the premise - I am an ordinary warrior who has now managed to create my double. The double is now the indestructible vessel
of energy which will become the assemblage point of my Wholeness (the totality of oneself) beyond this physical life, and even during this life in some
cases. Because it appears that the universe is holographic in nature, what this means is that both the double and the immortal self are part of that
hologram. And as most of you probably know, the nature of a hologram is that as long as one has even a tiny piece, one possesses the whole. In other words,
the whole of the hologram exists within each component of itself, so even if it is fragmented, as long as one piece can be recovered, the hologram can be
reconstructed in its entirety.




Okay... so I've created my double and I'm bopping along through life, and get hit on the head by a meteor one day, and kaputz, I'm a goner. The
eagle grabs my Della-awareness, and I am absorbed back into the black velvet fabric of the Nothing - obliterated. But let's further say that because I
was an impeccable warrior (except for failing to note the meteor coming), I had given my double the agenda: "Go out into the All and bring back whatever
knowledge is required to teach me everything I need to know in order to become a singularity. Dream me as I have Dreamed you - no matter what. And do not
stop until the singularity is manifested."




In giving the double such an agenda, one is acting in the realm of sorcery to defeat the eagle, at least at a certain level. Because of the holographic
nature of the universe, once the double is created as an independent component with free will, it cannot be destroyed even if the awareness of the mortal
self is eaten by the eagle. Now - an aside - this would require an extremely cohesive double, so this would probably only happen if a warrior was extremely
advanced on the path when s/he was hit by that meteor - but for whatever reason, the component that is the mortal self "failed" in her bid to get
past the eagle in order to conjoin with the double. So, let's assume, just for the sake of argument, that the eagle stands "between" self and
double. May or may not be true, but works for the sake of this explanation.




So - here's the game plan so far. Warrior created her double, gave that double the agenda to teach her "no matter what it takes" (a matter of
intent); and then gets splattered by a meteor and eaten by the eagle. It's a shitty day, to be sure.




Okay - so the awareness of the mortal self is swallowed up by the eagle, but because the double was created already BEYOND the eagle, that energy still
exists as part of the hologram. But, it recognizes that even it is not "complete" because the component which was the mortal self (its own source)
was just eaten by the eagle. What to do? Without the awareness of the mortal self, the double knows it is not "whole" - not a singularity, but only
a component, no matter how powerful. And as such, it knows it is vulnerable to the ravages of eternity. Without both halves, the dis-integration is not only
inevitable, but has already begun.




Since the double is not limited to the confines of the linear human lifetime, and moves freely outside the box of time itself, the double can just as easily
step back inside the framework of the mortal self. I've used the analogy in the past that the double could very easily "climb inside" the
mortal self while that mortal self was still in the womb of her mother - and, indeed, this would make a lot of sense, because only then would the
double-being exist in the first place. Why do this? Because the double is fighting for his/her own survival, too. And the only way to be sure it will survive
would be to exist in such a position as to be able to exert influence over its mortal source from before the moment of birth. So, the double wriggles down
comfortably inside his mortal self who is still in the womb, and when the infant is born, it would appear to a seer as having 4 compartments of energy
instead of only two.




But - the problem is that the seer is still a being of linear time, and may think - "Oh, my, what a special child!" Er - not really. Sure, the
nagual has extra energy and all of that, but we're the ***-ups who got hit on the head with the meteor in the moebius loop of the time/space continuum,
and so the double has had to take control and "re-dream" its way into mortal existence so the whole process can be redone, this time with the
double having more influence from the start.







Quote:




"To the eye of the seer, a Nagual man or Nagual woman appears as a luminous egg with four
compartments. Unlike the average human being, who has two sides only, a left and a right, the Nagual has a left side divided into two long sections,
and a right side equally divided in two." (Carlos Castsaneda)








The reason it is seen in this manner is because the seer is seeing only the object, and not the outside-of-time retroactive enchantment
which created that object as it exists. And so - ultimately - Naguals may be just another warrior who created their double, got hit on the head with a
meteor, and had a double who was smart enough to operate outside of time so as to salvage his own pathway to the Infinite by climbing back into his
"source" so as to better guide the play the second time around.




The upside to all of this is that it does tend to give a Nagual that extra reserve of energy, and it certainly provides one with a sense of urgency and focus
and sheer determination to make it to freedom that is unparalleled. I am going to make it, no matter what - because if I don't, not only do I
"lose" Orlando, but I will have to go through Gretta Young's fourth grade class again. That alone is a powerful medicine of motivation.




***




Okay - with everything in the above post said, it's important to note that NONE of this frees even the Nagual from the repsonsibility of "creating
the double through dreaming" in the first place, in the Now. Because even though the double may come into this life with the mortal infant, with the
ability to exert powerful influence over that child from even before the moment of birth, it is still the mortal self who must exert free will and force the
double to go through the motions of actually occurring.




I've known a couple of naguals who felt they were somehow "special" just by virtue of being born a double being, and even felt that they
didn't have to create their double because s/he already existed. One even referred to it as "a waste of energy to create what already exists."




That, again, is a case of a seer seeing only the finished product and failing to take into account that something had to happen to create that reality in the
first place. IOW, the conclusions are erroneous, just as it would be an erroneous conclusion to stand in front of a city dump and proclaim, "Flies
caused all this garbage!"




So - lest anyone should think Naguals have it easier or are in any way special - please allow me to disabuse you of that notion. I haven't found it to
be any different for myself than for any of the other warriors I've known and worked with over the years. We still have to create our double and go
through the hard work of the path, so that the double will exist in the first place.




Nothing is a given. Not one thing. No one is going to do it for me.




And so it goes...


***


FWIW, there are several other articles in the same series if you are interested.




http://www.quantumshaman2.com/thesorcer ... m.php?f=81



nice site... well, a lot to choose from, together with the curved font, makes the decition what to click hard... but i'm being pathetic, your buisness
desitions proved a lot better than mine... )


a star-treck writer! wow! here you got my admiration!




Heh - thanks. I fell in love w/ Star Trek at age 11 and it shaped my early foundation to a large degree - particularly with regard to
my interest in quantum realities and quantum consciousness.





a vempires romace writer! that's how you get along so well with "tenants"?
Continuing the story, I fell in love with vampires at the ripe old age of 39 and saw the mythology as a parallel to a lot
of the CC stuff. Anne Rice even admits she was heavily influenced by Castaneda, and I think it shows in her work. FWIW, George Lucas was also heavily
influenced by Castaneda. Some say Yoda is don Juan.




Food for thought.

Warriors' target=glory - charlila - 01-09-2010

Gonzo wrote:

, it gets rather deeply into the
technical aspects of HTML. It looks like there have been multiple settings or choices of a background color, then no text, then a choice of text color, to
keep it simple.




Bottom line, there are no gremlins or hackers messing with your posts. This is just software trying to do what it thinks you want...




G











  


 


no gremlins??

you sure???





look, i'm a bit ignorant here (understatement) but - how can there be
"multiple choices" when all i can do is click buttons on the check
box? and when i click again it automatically postpones the past choices - or so
it acted before? (for when i coudn't post color i tried also to delete the
color to start freshly - but it would not have deleted, that is' on the edit
box.)



And how is it possible this kind software saved my colors in "edit"
state but refused to show them on board? (and this during the night, when my PC
was shut closed, modem disconnected. thou true - i couldn't disconnect the
modem properly, for,  as happens  sometimes, instead of opening the window of
"conect\disconect", opened a little window saying "modem's
program is already open!" so all i can do is disconnect it physically, but
when i reconnect, next time i open my PC, i get the same window - announcing it
is already open (but then opens the window of conect\disconent.)



and how come it chose a possibility non-existent on that check-box (the
squares?)

than i moved there:



 http://worldnagualforum.yuku.com/topic/678


yuku forums>the Castaneda forum>the old seers>warriorsss
target=glory;warriors goal-freedom



and couldn't post colors!





so i copied the text to a window document - and couldn't delete the colors!



so i copied the text to notebook document - and it turned the lines (moving punctuation
marks at the of a line to the beginning of the line. This phenomena occurs on
some pages when shifting between Hebrew and English.)

copying back to windows, changing punctuation marks line by line… writing new
text it still put them PMs at the beginning! i looked to see if it was on
"Hebrew" - yes. Clicked "English" - no change. tried this
and that... no change. occasionally i clicked "Hebrew"(the doc was in
English) - and the PMs jumped into place!



BUT when i copied it to editing box and clicked "save" - no colors.
re- erranged all the colors (no back ground, just font colors this time) - no
colors and the text align right. clicked align left - nothing. clicked all
different alignments - nothing.  Changed browser - the other browser
claimed this page didn't exist. opened it from the forum's page - it did exist,
and no problem to edit colors this time.)



are you telling me it's all a work of a well-intending program?

help!!!

i'll rather have gremlins!!!







i won't ask you to bother and explain the HTML aspects - that will be unfair,
since i don't intend to study it thoroughly  -  but do tell me one
thing: though (I geuss, i might be wrong) each of this incidents could be
possibly explained as a coincidence of sorts – aren't they - by the principle
of ocam razors - just too many such thing to be a collection of coincidence? or
am i wrong?)





no gremlins??

you sure???





look, i'm a bit ignorant here (understatement) but - how can there be
"multiple choices" when all i can do is click buttons on the check
box? and when i click again it automatically postpones the past choices - or so
it acted before? (for when i coudn't post color i tried also to delete the
color to start freshly - but it would not have deleted, that is' on the edit
box.)



And how is it possible this kind software saved my colors in "edit"
state but refused to show them on board? (and this during the night, when my PC
was shut closed, modem disconnected. thou true - i couldn't disconnect the
modem properly, for,  as happens  sometimes, instead of opening the window of
"conect\disconect", opened a little window saying "modem's
program is already open!" so all i can do is disconnect it physically, but
when i reconnect, next time i open my PC, i get the same window - announcing it
is already open (but then opens the window of conect\disconent.)



and how come it chose a possibility non-existent on that check-box (the
squares?)

than i moved there:



 http://worldnagualforum.yuku.com/topic/678


yuku forums>the Castaneda forum>the old seers>warriorsss
target=glory;warriors goal-freedom



and couldn't post colors!





so i copied the text to a window document - and couldn't delete the colors!



so i copied the text to notebook document - and it turned the lines (moving punctuation
marks at the of a line to the beginning of the line. This phenomena occurs on
some pages when shifting between Hebrew and English.)

copying back to windows, changing punctuation marks line by line… writing new
text it still put them PMs at the beginning! i looked to see if it was on
"Hebrew" - yes. Clicked "English" - no change. tried this
and that... no change. occasionally i clicked "Hebrew"(the doc was in
English) - and the PMs jumped into place!



BUT when i copied it to editing box and clicked "save" - no colors.
re- erranged all the colors (no back ground, just font colors this time) - no
colors and the text align right. clicked align left - nothing. clicked all
different alignments - nothing.  Changed browser - the other browser
claimed this page didn't exist. opened it from the forum's page - it did exist,
and no problem to edit colors this time.)



are you telling me it's all a work of a well-intending program?

help!!!

i'll rather have gremlins!!!







i won't ask you to bother and explain the HTML aspects - that will be unfair,
since i don't intend to study it thoroughly  -  but do tell me one
thing: though (I geuss, i might be wrong) each of this incidents could be
possibly explained as a coincidence of sorts – aren't they - by the principle
of ocam razors - just too many such thing to be a collection of coincidence? or
am i wrong?)
 





no gremlins??

you sure???





look, i'm a bit ignorant here (understatement) but - how can there be
"multiple choices" when all i can do is click buttons on the check
box? and when i click again it automatically postpones the past choices - or so
it acted before? (for when i coudn't post color i tried also to delete the
color to start freshly - but it would not have deleted, that is' on the edit
box.)



And how is it possible this kind software saved my colors in "edit"
state but refused to show them on board? (and this during the night, when my PC
was shut closed, modem disconnected. thou true - i couldn't disconnect the
modem properly, for,  as happens  sometimes, instead of opening the window of
"conect\disconect", opened a little window saying "modem's
program is already open!" so all i can do is disconnect it physically, but
when i reconnect, next time i open my PC, i get the same window - announcing it
is already open (but then opens the window of conect\disconent.)



and how come it chose a possibility non-existent on that check-box (the
squares?)

than i moved there:



 http://worldnagualforum.yuku.com/topic/678


yuku forums>the Castaneda forum>the old seers>warriorsss
target=glory;warriors goal-freedom



and couldn't post colors!





so i copied the text to a window document - and couldn't delete the colors!



so i copied the text to notebook document - and it turned the lines (moving punctuation
marks at the of a line to the beginning of the line. This phenomena occurs on
some pages when shifting between Hebrew and English.)

copying back to windows, changing punctuation marks line by line… writing new
text it still put them PMs at the beginning! i looked to see if it was on
"Hebrew" - yes. Clicked "English" - no change. tried this
and that... no change. occasionally i clicked "Hebrew"(the doc was in
English) - and the PMs jumped into place!



BUT when i copied it to editing box and clicked "save" - no colors.
re- erranged all the colors (no back ground, just font colors this time) - no
colors and the text align right. clicked align left - nothing. clicked all
different alignments - nothing.  Changed browser - the other browser
claimed this page didn't exist. opened it from the forum's page - it did exist,
and no problem to edit colors this time.)



are you telling me it's all a work of a well-intending program?

help!!!

i'll rather have gremlins!!!







i won't ask you to bother and explain the HTML aspects - that will be unfair,
since i don't intend to study it thoroughly  -  but do tell me one
thing: though (I geuss, i might be wrong) each of this incidents could be
possibly explained as a coincidence of sorts – aren't they - by the principle
of ocam razors - just too many such thing to be a collection of coincidence? or
am i wrong?)
 





no gremlins??

you sure???





look, i'm a bit ignorant here (understatement) but - how can there be
"multiple choices" when all i can do is click buttons on the check
box? and when i click again it automatically postpones the past choices - or so
it acted before? (for when i coudn't post color i tried also to delete the
color to start freshly - but it would not have deleted, that is' on the edit
box.)



And how is it possible this kind software saved my colors in "edit"
state but refused to show them on board? (and this during the night, when my PC
was shut closed, modem disconnected. thou true - i couldn't disconnect the
modem properly, for,  as happens  sometimes, instead of opening the window of
"conect\disconect", opened a little window saying "modem's
program is already open!" so all i can do is disconnect it physically, but
when i reconnect, next time i open my PC, i get the same window - announcing it
is already open (but then opens the window of conect\disconent.)



and how come it chose a possibility non-existent on that check-box (the
squares?)

than i moved there:



 http://worldnagualforum.yuku.com/topic/678


yuku forums>the Castaneda forum>the old seers>warriorsss
target=glory;warriors goal-freedom



and couldn't post colors!





so i copied the text to a window document - and couldn't delete the colors!



so i copied the text to notebook document - and it turned the lines (moving punctuation
marks at the of a line to the beginning of the line. This phenomena occurs on
some pages when shifting between Hebrew and English.)

copying back to windows, changing punctuation marks line by line… writing new
text it still put them PMs at the beginning! i looked to see if it was on
"Hebrew" - yes. Clicked "English" - no change. tried this
and that... no change. occasionally i clicked "Hebrew"(the doc was in
English) - and the PMs jumped into place!



BUT when i copied it to editing box and clicked "save" - no colors.
re- erranged all the colors (no back ground, just font colors this time) - no
colors and the text align right. clicked align left - nothing. clicked all
different alignments - nothing.  Changed browser - the other browser
claimed this page didn't exist. opened it from the forum's page - it did exist,
and no problem to edit colors this time.)



are you telling me it's all a work of a well-intending program?

help!!!

i'll rather have gremlins!!!







i won't ask you to bother and explain the HTML aspects - that will be unfair,
since i don't intend to study it thoroughly  -  but do tell me one
thing: though (I geuss, i might be wrong) each of this incidents could be
possibly explained as a coincidence of sorts – aren't they - by the principle
of ocam razors - just too many such thing to be a collection of coincidence? or
am i wrong?)


edit: i had to edit for i got the lines aliged to write again. clicking on different elighment changed nothing, but after clikcing "edit" they mysteriously aligned left.
here is the post on castaneda forum as produced by my other browsr:
~ ~~ ~~~ ~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~ ~~ ~ ~ ~ ~:








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...




charlila wrote:


last 11,000 (or is it 24,000?)earth years [or so i claim] passed (on
earth and all who dwell inside her induction field) in deep amnesia.
all we can remember
from that period is flat like a poster.



i am privileged - or ill=fated - to have lived once on another time
scale (as butterflies, for example, are living on another time-scale
than elephants -
butterflies would remember 30 years ago as ancient times, while an
elephant or a human would still remember some) - so i still remember
some. (it's not
like this life memory; hardly any visions; i recognize people, places,
stories,some of those evoke memories. BUT i remember who i am, where i
belong, what is
my job, bits and pieces from my skills, whom i love, to whom i am
faithful, what i came to do here now,a general construct of a magical
language, tones of
poetry and an old advise: "at least enjoy!")



quantum shaman wrote:


DJM said...


.... Your double is dreaming you. ... That's the mystery of us as
luminous beings. You can awaken in either one. (don Juan, TALES OF
POWER)


-Amnesia makes it all the more tricky-







quantum saman:


The double... is free to move both inside and outside of time/space/gender…


Charlila:


imho "inside" and "outside" are both point of views, both needed


THOU - most doubles ARE signed by gender.





those whose double's gender signature is blank, like the tenant, are not human - they are alchevi" (IBs, the
tunnels)."





a group of them got stuck in human body on
earth when the wall of fog seperated right side of awareness from left,
and since
originally they are not from a du-gendered specie, they can incarnate
in both genders equally - which has to do with xoxonopo's reverse of
gender


I'm very sorry for the loss of your daughter and wish you both comfort and "the edge."


thank you Della


"? you mean - you think the dead are still needing their "edge


(?or you think Meitar does?)


Bad wording on my part.


i don't think so. i think you saw something.


I perceive our mortal lives as finite
UNLESS we take ... steps ... to facilitate our evolution. ... the
creation & nurturing
of the double - ...the energetic vessel ... to house our awareness
following our mortal death.


this is from my past-life memory ..


in my own tribe, one of the saraf tribes'
assembly,creatures (humans, animals, plants and spirits - it's even not
an
original human tribe, though humans got the leadership) lived together
as a tribe not for a life-time, but for 15 lifetimes: first 10 to
master the tonal, in
order to optimize surviving strategies here on earth; the next 5 to
master the nagual, in order to train for THE JOURNEY TO THE SUM. [the
sun is the gate to
glory(=the space outside universes), while the universe is the womb
where we grow; the sun' to follow the analogy, is the vagina. the
journey is a birth to
the next dimension field.





this is the normal course of evolution.


such an immense love induction-field!


such a happiness!





it was broken and evolution got stuck - we,
all earth habitants, are all stuck here on for already 11,000 or maybe
22,000 or 24,000
years - ever since the fall of the Gate-House (=the Babylon tower) and
the destruction of Taghuar (the native land of the saraf.)





earth's trauma at the two successive events - the destruction of taghuar+the falling of the touwer - caused post-traumatic
effect - amnesia.





that's how come it is so easy to sell you the story that the double's map to ALL-TIME is all there is... a 2-dimensional
scheme of past, present end future...





an optical illusion!











And, of course, that's further assuming g that one doesn't take the route of becoming a death defier or tenant.





in Arabic they say Ba'eed Minac - far from you!





As I said... degrees of complexity…








no! degree of amnesia!





...make it impossible to give a single, simple answer.





normal evolution gives a simple, single
answer - a very long, hard and beautiful path with heart, [at least]15
lifetimes long (that
is, for humans - the length depends of course on the specie.)








Personally, I perceive death as final for beings whom don Juan referred to as "ordinary men" - meaning those who never
take any measures to evolve beyond the organic form they inhabit.











ordinary men are those immersed deep in
amnesia. or otherwise - those from young generations, who never been
awake, never had the
chance to raduallly wake. in a normal world, you evolve as naturally as
a baby is growing.





death is like sleep - in between life-times - would you like to skip all sleep? image not such a good idea...





personally i'm so very tired -like my cat Namer who was a fighter got, and at age 4 was so very old... like the Chinese master
whos name i forgot who wrote, shortly before he died (a quickie translation from a translation to Hebrew:





i'm satiated.


i set the chopsticks down.





-i remember particularly one day, not long
before disaster stroke, i took my dog for a walk, lied down on a
terrace in the strong
breeze - fell asleep - felt all i just want is to lay in the wind...
forever.





i believe i could have left my body than, in peace. but i couldn't leave my kids. and i had no dismissal from my job. and now
i'm obliged to stay even more, for i promised Meitar that her death will not be in vein. so i'll stay to the end.





evolution-wise, the function of death is
debuggin. when the normal karma releasing devices (which are out of
order now) can't do
more repair, when the body - and mind - have accumulated too many bugs,
death gives the soul opportunity to get refreshed, to get rid of all
bugs at once, also
to come back with a new body, into a new situation. (thou in a normal
world you born, unless on emergency, knwoing - remembering - who are
your parents, who
are your brothers and sisters, as well as who is your spouse and
children.)





would i like to stay forever in this old body, in this same furrow (is this DG'a term?) forever? of course not. no i want to
take of to the son with my tribe at the end? you bet!





a tiny task was left before we'll be able to do this: to get rid of all the karma. to do that, the karma net has to be exploded.
this is the isuue of fighting now - exploding the karma net in time.


(i'll try to find a link to my article "the hitch hiker guide to exploding the qarma nwt", if it is still on line. not
now - i'm too tired.)








But for those who take death as their advisor and look squarely at the reality of "beings who are going to die" and
then begin to live their lives accordingly... maybe (only a maybe) there is an alternative to this thing we call "death."





yea - these are the issues for graduating to glory.


Just my own rambling thoughts on a cool Tuesday morning here in the desert.


Thanks for listening, and thanks for your feedback.




Many blessings,


Della






pleasant dreams.




lillith




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[i reply instead of editing for
i'v wasted an hour already playing with this post and it keep acting weird see
at the end of this post]
quantum saman:

The double... is free to move both inside and
outside of time/space/gender…

Charlila:

imho "inside" and "outside" are both point of
views, both needed

THOU - most doubles ARE signed by gender.


those whose double's gender signature is blank, like the tenant,
are not human - they are alchevi" (IBs, the tunnels)."


a
group of them got stuck in human body on earth when the wall of fog seperated
right side of awareness from left, and since originally they are not from a
du-gendered specie, they can incarnate in both genders equally - which has to do
with xoxonopo's reverse of gender

I'm very sorry for the loss of
your daughter and wish you both comfort and "the edge."

thank you Della

"? you mean - you think the dead are still needing their
"edge

(?or you think Meitar does?)

Bad wording on my part.

i
don't think so. i think you saw something.

I
perceive our mortal lives as finite UNLESS we take ... steps ... to facilitate
our evolution. ... the creation & nurturing of the double - ...the energetic
vessel ... to house our awareness following our mortal death.

this is from my past-life memory ..

in
my own tribe, one of the saraf tribes' assembly,creatures (humans, animals,
plants and spirits - it's even not an original human tribe, though humans got
the leadership) lived together as a tribe not for a life-time, but for 15
lifetimes: first 10 to master the tonal, in order to optimize surviving
strategies here on earth; the next 5 to master the nagual, in order to train for
THE JOURNEY TO THE SUM. [the sun is the gate to glory(=the space outside
universes), while the universe is the womb where we grow; the sun' to follow the
analogy, is the vagina. the journey is a birth to the next dimension
field.


this is the normal course of evolution.

such an immense love induction-field!

such a happiness!


it
was broken and evolution got stuck - we, all earth habitants, are all stuck here
on for already 11,000 or maybe 22,000 or 24,000 years - ever since the fall of
the Gate-House (=the Babylon tower) and the destruction of Taghuar (the native
land of the saraf.)


earth's trauma at the two successive events - the destruction of
taghuar+the falling of the touwer - caused post-traumatic effect -
amnesia.


that's how come it is so easy to sell you the story that the
double's map to ALL-TIME is all there is... a 2-dimensional scheme of past,
present end future...


an
optical illusion!




And, of course, that's further assuming g that one doesn't take
the route of becoming a death defier or tenant.


in
Arabic they say Ba'eed Minac - far from you!


As
I said... degrees of complexity…



no! degree of amnesia!


...make it impossible to give a single, simple answer.


normal evolution gives a simple, single answer - a very long, hard
and beautiful path with heart, [at least]15 lifetimes long (that is, for humans
- the length depends of course on the specie.)



Personally, I perceive death as final for beings whom don Juan
referred to as "ordinary men" - meaning those who never take any measures to
evolve beyond the organic form they inhabit.




ordinary men are those immersed deep in amnesia.
or otherwise - those from young generations, who never been awake, never had the
chance to raduallly wake. in a normal world, you evolve as naturally as a baby
is growing.


death is like sleep - in between life-times - would you like to
skip all sleep? image not such a good idea...


personally i'm so very tired -like my cat Namer
who was a fighter got, and at age 4 was so very old... like the Chinese master
whos name i forgot who wrote, shortly before he died (a quickie translation from
a translation to Hebrew:


i'm satiated.

i
set the chopsticks down.


-i remember particularly one
day, not long before disaster stroke, i took my dog for a walk, lied down on a
terrace in the strong breeze - fell asleep - felt all i just want is to lay in
the wind... forever.


i
believe i could have left my body than, in peace. but i couldn't leave my kids.
and i had no dismissal from my job. and now i'm obliged to stay even more, for i
promised Meitar that her death will not be in vein. so i'll stay to the
end.


evolution-wise, the function of death is debuggin.
when the normal karma releasing devices (which are out of order now) can't do
more repair, when the body - and mind - have accumulated too many bugs, death
gives the soul opportunity to get refreshed, to get rid of all bugs at once,
also to come back with a new body, into a new situation. (thou in a normal world
you born, unless on emergency, knwoing - remembering - who are your parents, who
are your brothers and sisters, as well as who is your spouse and
children.)


would i like to stay forever in this old body, in
this same furrow (is this DG'a term?) forever? of course not. no i want to take
of to the son with my tribe at the end? you bet!


a
tiny task was left before we'll be able to do this: to get rid of all the karma.
to do that, the karma net has to be exploded. this is the isuue of fighting now
- exploding the karma net in time.

(i'll try to find a link to
my article "the hitch hiker guide to exploding the qarma nwt", if it is still on
line. not now - i'm too tired.)



But for those who take death as their advisor and look squarely at
the reality of "beings who are going to die" and then begin to live their lives
accordingly... maybe (only a maybe) there is an alternative to this thing we
call "death."


yea - these are the issues for graduating to
glory.
next della's post:
charlila:
taken by whom?

My double.

quantumshaman wrote:
After the experience ended, I asked him,



asked whom?
My double.

do i seem petty? i think this point is crucial.see, for example, what
happend to the image of god ever after the fog wall have grown so thick;
completely distorted! \
No, you don't seem petty.
However, I'm not a newbie, so I'm keenly aware of my energy at all times,
particularly with regard to who/what I choose to engage with. I say
this not to be argumentative, but to assure you I'm not being hornswaggled by
"baddies". I've worked actively with my double since 1988, and indirectly since
long before that - at least since I was around 8 years old.
It's rather
like knowing who you are. If someone doesn't know who they are, maybe they can
be led astray by IOBs or other "astral entities". For someone who has clarity
and an open channel to silent knowing, that simply isn't possible. I've had
extant "forces" attempt to pass themselves off as the double, and it's rather
like what might happen if someone were to put on your son's clothing and try to
fool you at close range. You know immediately that
it's an imposter because the energy signature cannot be forged. Authenticity
cannot be mimicked, so I have no fear of being "tricked" by IOBs, flyers or the
like.
Interesting background knowledge you've provided. I'm still
contemplating it - and thank you for sharing.
Many blessings,
Della

Hey Della

i browsed your site,
red exerpts, and one thing you will have to explain to me: you were saying
Orlando is your double AND in the same time your nagual man - right?
did i
get it right? no comprendo nada! would you explain?
nice site... well, a
lot to choose from, together with the curved font, makes the decition what to
click hard... but i'm being pathetic, your buisness desitions proved a lot
better than mine... )

a star-treck writer! wow! here you got my admiration!
a vempires
romace writer! that's how you get along so well with "tenants"?
( i click
"post" and take a breake.)
[i reply instead of
editing for i'v wasted an hour already playing with this post and it keep acting
weird see at the end of this post] - like elighning to the write no matter ehat
i do - also not respondidng to color change again - and when i tryed sifting
browser, it said the page does not exixt. openint the forom>the thread, it
does exist. now let's see how it is in this browserSmile
(tested the color:
works. but hey, it worked also on the other browser at first!
here:

http://worldnagualforum.yuku.com/sreply ... -sun-.html

there is color!)

oh, maybe because i kept some of the colored
background square?
(could not delete it... copied all to word and the
"squares" of back ground colors - also other back-ground colors - still on...
copied it to notebook and it turned the last tag to line beginning - before my
notebook was fine on both languages... then word too messed the lines -
occasionally i discovered that when i clicked "Hebrew" it followed the
definitions correct for "inglish" (didn't check the vice versa)
so what now?
it is deleted on other brouser - if i copy from last post, same troubles...

???







Last Edited By: charlila 01/09/10 09:23:07. Edited 1 time.

Warriors' target=glory - charlila - 01-10-2010

della




i'll answer you at the other LoneWolf board - the castaneda forum




http://worldnagualforum.yuku.com/reply/1507#reply-1507




THE CASTANEDA FORUM> THE OLD SEERS> warriors target=glory; warriors goal=freedom




i'm not coming here anymore - at least not on a regular basis.




see ya there




lillith

Warriors' target=glory - Gonzo - 01-10-2010

charlila wrote:

NORMALLY whenone clicks a checkbox for something like, say, a choice of color there is an mediate result - the color being chosen.


isn't that so?


That depends. It appears the colors apply only when you start a new line, and hold until you change them.

Warriors' target=glory - charlila - 01-12-2010

than how come all colors gone, text colors AND highlighting?




and how come the un-posted colors been saved on preview page for next session?




and how come the saved colors appeared as a possibility non-existent on Yuku editing bar?


and how come it stayed as a background even when my new changes been saved?




are you talking honestly or are you not?

Warriors' target=glory - Gonzo - 01-12-2010

charlila wrote:

than how come all colors gone, text colors AND highlighting?




and how come the un-posted colors been saved on preview page for next session?




and how come the saved colors appeared as a possibility non-existent on Yuku editing bar?


and how come it stayed as a background even when my new changes been saved?




are you talking honestly or are you not?

I cannot answer your questions without watching what you are doing and how you are posting. I'm a programmer. I know how software works, so
yes, I'm talking honestly. Since you are dealing with HTML as opposed to BBcode, you are in a more complex arena. Even so, as I suggested, were you to
click on the HTML icon you would see what you are creating, and there is no magic in that. As I've said, the board software is trying to do what it can to
satisfy what you want.

Warriors' target=glory - charlila - 01-12-2010

do i?
BB cod is not what you get when you click on icons at Yuku's editing tool bar?
if it BB code follows this definition:
BBCode is a special implementation of HTML. Whether you can actually use BBCode in your posts on the forum is determined by the administrator. In addition you can disable BBCode on a per post basis via the posting form. BBCode itself is similar in style to HTML, tags are enclosed in square brackets [ and ] rather than < and > and it offers greater control over what and how something is displayed. Depending on the template you are using you may find adding BBCode to your posts is made much easier through a clickable interface above the message area on the posting form. Even with this you may find the following guide useful. 
than i use BB code. why do you think i use html?
i told you exactly what i wad doingSmile guess you lacked the  attention to follow.
repeat: never wrote a code - just clicked icons.
can't possibly create a code other than the generic.
so unless it is magic, it must be somebody else changing the generic BB code.
[editing to fix typos]

Warriors' target=glory - Gonzo - 01-12-2010

charlila wrote:do i?
BB cod is not what you get when you click on icons at Yuku's editing tool bar?

if it BB code follows this definition:
BBCode is a special implementation of HTML. Whether you can actually use BBCode in your posts on the forum is determined by the administrator. In addition you can disable BBCode on a per post basis via the posting form. BBCode itself is similar in style to HTML, tags are enclosed in square brackets [ and ] rather than < and > and it offers greater control over what and how something is displayed. Depending on the template you are using you may find adding BBCode to your posts is made much easier through a clickable interface above the message area on the posting form. Even with this you may find the following guide useful.

than i use BB code. why do you think i use html?

i told you exactly what i wad doingSmile guess you lacked the attention to follow.
repeat: never wrote a code - just clicked icons.

can't possibly create a code other than the generic.

so unless it is magic, it must be somebody else changing the generic BB code.

[editing to fix typos]
We don't seem to be communicating.  What I mean is, when you use the icons in the text box, what is generated by the board software is HTML.  Note that the paragraph concerning BBcode indicates that whether what you enter becomes BBcode or HTML is at the discretion of the board admin.  
If you wish to see what is generated, click on the HTML icon.  What follows is some of the HTML you caused to be generated in your last post.
Code: Select all[quote=charlila]do i?
BB cod is not what you get when youCode: Select all click on icons at Yuku's editing tool bar?

if it BB code follows this definition:
Code: Select allBBCode is a special implementation of HTML. Whether you can actually use BBCode in your posts on the forum Code: Select allis determined by the administrator. In addition you can disable BBCode on a per post basis via the posting form. Code: Select allBBCode itself is similar in style to HTML, tags are enclosed in square brackets [ and ] rather than < and >

Warriors' target=glory - charlila - 02-03-2010

Della -
your answer:
http://worldnagualforum.y...rriors-goal-freedom.html

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