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Petty Tyrants - Guest - 04-09-2011
Nu Lang wrote:When I say defeated, I mean the part that is 'not us' is defeated. It feels like defeat momentarily due to association, but once severed, then the defeat is no longer, but one is humble due to being in their true mind.
So a part of you that is not you gets defeated, then once its defeated, it's not defeated anymore?
Petty Tyrants - Nu Lang - 04-09-2011
Enchantra wrote:Nu Lang wrote:When I say defeated, I mean the part that is 'not us' is defeated. It feels like defeat momentarily due to association, but once severed, then the defeat is no longer, but one is humble due to being in their true mind.
So a part of you that is not you gets defeated, then once its defeated, it's not defeated anymore?
I think it happens in stages. First we begin to access the true mind gradually. Then the final blow to the false mind comes only on the day we shed the human form completely. This is called dying a symbolic death, and Lone Wolf has added its also burning from within as he experienced it. Then the FI can access us no longer, unless we allow it in again.
Petty Tyrants - Guest - 04-09-2011
Nu Lang wrote:
So a part of you that is not you gets defeated, then once its defeated, it's not defeated anymore?
I think it happens in stages. First we begin to access the true mind gradually. Then the final blow to the false mind comes only on the day we shed the human form completely. This is called dying a symbolic death, and Lone Wolf has added its also burning from within as he experienced it. Then the FI can access us no longer, unless we allow it in again.
I understand the process, just trying to figure out what you are attempting to say, you seem to be talking in circles. What's goin on?
Petty Tyrants - Nu Lang - 04-09-2011
lol, no no, Enchantra. I'm just expressing silent knowledge. As a nagual power is harsher on me, this I have learned. It pushes me to the edge and then I can talk about that edge, but its not small talk as I went there personally and felt it. Also it cuts right to the abstract. The sacrifice asked of me/us to make is so extreme its unfathomable to our false mind which thinks it just gets to go on and on like always.
When you read my words, what did you feel?
Petty Tyrants - Guest - 04-09-2011
Nu Lang wrote:lol, no no, Enchantra. I'm just expressing silent knowledge. As a nagual power is harsher on me, this I have learned. It pushes me to the edge and then I can talk about that edge, but its not small talk as I went there personally and felt it. Also it cuts right to the abstract. The sacrifice asked of me/us to make is so extreme its unfathomable to our false mind which thinks it just gets to go on and on like always.
When you read my words, what did you feel?
What?!
Petty Tyrants - Nu Lang - 04-09-2011
please elaborate ...
Petty Tyrants - Guest - 04-09-2011
Nu Lang wrote:please elaborate ...ok..
What the Eff?!!
Petty Tyrants - Nu Lang - 04-09-2011
your thoughts...
To me this is just a conversation, to you its what the eff, so you'll have to talk to me about it, otherwise I don't see anything unusual.
Petty Tyrants - Guest - 04-09-2011
Nu Lang wrote:your thoughts...
To me this is just a conversation, to you its what the eff, so you'll have to talk to me about it, otherwise I don't see anything unusual.You asked me to elaborate on my "what?". So I elaborated. Hence WTF.
This is a conversation to me as well. Nothing unusual.... same old same old.
Petty Tyrants - Nu Lang - 04-09-2011
well, someone got fucked.
Petty Tyrants - ninth octave - 04-09-2011
Nu Lang wrote:
Enchantra wrote:
Nu Lang wrote:
When I say defeated, I mean the part that is 'not us' is defeated. It feels like defeat momentarily due to association, but once severed, then the defeat is no longer, but one is humble due to being in their true mind.
So a part of you that is not you gets defeated, then once its defeated, it's not defeated anymore?
I think it happens in stages. First we begin to access the true mind gradually. Then the final blow to the false mind comes only on the day we shed the human form completely. This is called dying a symbolic death, and Lone Wolf has added its also burning from within as he experienced it. Then the FI can access us no longer, unless we allow it in again.
My petty tyrant comes in the form of people who overly indulge in idle talk and constantly feel the need to express their opinion. I used to think it was an unfeminine trait not to be able to engage in this style of expression. I would find myself in these situations not feeling inadequate for such expression. I was dubbed the listener as others talked my ear off with their opinions and small talk. I began to have selective hearing from these one-way conversations. The others were there to hear themselves talk and to have a sounding board such as myself.
I now removed myself mentally from all forms of petty conversation. If I am sitting in on these kinds of conversation I am mentally a bored *** but you could never guess it because I actually act like I am interested in this conversation not to be ignorant. I have transcended the tendency of thinking that talking is the way to express oneself in the now.There are plenty of other ways to exprees oneelf that don't need talk. Small talk is wasted energy. I try to immerse myself in varied forms of conversations such as group lectures where there is one common theme being expressed with different views allotted.
Ninth
Petty Tyrants - Guest - 04-09-2011
Good idea!
Petty Tyrants - Nu Lang - 04-10-2011
ninth octave wrote:Nu Lang wrote:
Enchantra wrote:
So a part of you that is not you gets defeated, then once its defeated, it's not defeated anymore?
I think it happens in stages. First we begin to access the true mind gradually. Then the final blow to the false mind comes only on the day we shed the human form completely. This is called dying a symbolic death, and Lone Wolf has added its also burning from within as he experienced it. Then the FI can access us no longer, unless we allow it in again.
My petty tyrant comes in the form of people who overly indulge in idle talk and constantly feel the need to express their opinion. I used to think it was an unfeminine trait not to be able to engage in this style of expression. I would find myself in these situations not feeling inadequate for such expression. I was dubbed the listener as others talked my ear off with their opinions and small talk. I began to have selective hearing from these one-way conversations. The others were there to hear themselves talk and to have a sounding board such as myself.
I now removed myself mentally from all forms of petty conversation. If I am sitting in on these kinds of conversation I am mentally a bored *** but you could never guess it because I actually act like I am interested in this conversation not to be ignorant. I have transcended the tendency of thinking that talking is the way to express oneself in the now.There are plenty of other ways to exprees oneelf that don't need talk. Small talk is wasted energy. I try to immerse myself in varied forms of conversations such as group lectures where there is one common theme being expressed with different views allotted.
NinthI understand what you are saying. Small talk about tonal concerns feels like a waste of time to me too. Here where I live now I don't have to even encounter it, so I have been years of not having to be subjected to it. When I return to the states, it will be different. I am interested to see how I will respond to it. I feel its not that the talk is idle for the one talking, its that, if the talk is not about the things we talk about here (sorcery nagualism), then I really am not interested, usually. But I know in some cases its important to the one talking, and if I close myself off to that understanding power witnesses my actions, becasue power is always witnessing us as warriors. One of the humbling things is knowing that spirit can actually work through those we think we dislike. Like a petty tyrant for example. We think spirit is on our side because we are warriors, and its not that it isn't, its that spirit is also the petty tyrant testing us, and I feel its aim is to make us fluid. So flexible we are nothing with no concerns about the way things are. This is how we transcend.
Petty Tyrants - Nagual LoneWolf - 04-10-2011
Oh yes, power does work through people and often those people one might perceive as the enemy because that person is presenting change or a reaction. Even small talk can evolve into an omen from the spirit. Seeing is looking into what is going on in the moment and what is actually happening. A "bored ***" is seen as such by power as well.
Petty Tyrants - Jessicar.sorcery - 04-10-2011
Ninth:
My petty tyrant comes in the form of people who overly indulge in idle
talk and constantly feel the need to express their opinion. I used to
think it was an unfeminine trait not to be able to engage in this style
of expression. I would find myself in these situations not feeling
inadequate for such expression....
I like your description of a petty tyrant here. Given this view of looking at the "petty tyrant", one of my petty tyrants would be "mood". Moods fog and confuse and create illusion. For quite a few years, I would use the Tarot for discernment. When I first recognized that moods were in control of me, I would do a reading on the situation at hand, any situation. The cards would consistently "read" the situation without mood! At first, I thought I'd read the cards "wrong" but then I realized that they were reading the situation without the influence of the mood. To recognize this was very liberating.
I now removed myself mentally from all forms of petty
conversation....
While I think I understand your sentiment here, I wonder how you determine which conversations are petty and which ones are not petty? Sometimes if I determine that a situation is such and so then I close off anything else that might take place. Because I don't like "chit chat" conversations I've often removed myself from a conversation too soon, not allowing for anything to take place because I'm "outta there". I don't always give the situation an opportunity to unfold because I've determined prematurely that it's not my deal. When I don't label the conversation, I can open up to the possibility that timing is at work, or that it will lead to something I've yet to see.
Petty Tyrants - Guest - 04-12-2011
Nagual LoneWolf wrote:Oh yes, power does work through people and often those people one might perceive as the enemy because that person is presenting change or a reaction
Yes, that can be quite uncomfortable.
Petty Tyrants - seesaw - 07-24-2011
I once had a great petty tyrant encounter. Went on daily for several months. I knew they were a tyrant, and realised i was in a really vulnerable position due to their influence and control over my daily life. I tried to be patient but struggled to see through the situation to any enlightened degree.
However i did discover something quite amazing.
When ever i found myself being driven into a fury at the injustice and impossible situation i found myself in i started to sense the other person on the other side of the situation. It was as if their were psychic conversations happening between us that literally fed each others extreme emotional states in private. By experiemnting with my own emotional reactions in private i found that i could influence the other persons state. Indulging in self pity anger etc in private would just make the other person insufferable. By the same token i found i could calm and pacify her over a distance too.
Of course such reasoning is subjective and open to interpretation but i satisfied my own critical thinking on the issue.
In the end she had a complete mental breakdown and her husband left her. Oh and i got paid. (smiling)
Petty Tyrants - Guest - 07-25-2011
What made her a petty tyrant in your eyes?
Petty Tyrants - BarefootInTheSand - 07-25-2011
Interesting, I will have to give that a try.
Petty Tyrants - Guest - 08-09-2011
Jeez how I hate having to deal with the petty tyrant. Can't we just scream, "OFF WITH THEIR HEADS?!" and be done with it? Ok, question. Is it cheating to simply ignore the petty tyrants? Wouldn't that be considered overcoming the extreme emotional reactions they ignite? Or would that make us less human to simply not care?
I find detachment and indifference solves the petty tyrant issue quite nicely but it's often critisized that there isn't enough love or caring going on if there's an extreme reaction lacking.
Petty Tyrants - Bob May - 08-09-2011
Nagual LoneWolf wrote:
Oh yes, power does work through people and often those people one might perceive as the enemy because that person is presenting change or a reaction. Even small talk can evolve into an omen from the spirit. Seeing is looking into what is going on in the moment and what is actually happening. A "bored ***" is seen as such by power as well.Good point Wolf,
Joh 11:49
And one of them, named Caiaphas, being the high priest that same year, said unto them, Ye know nothing at all,
Joh 11:50
Nor consider that it is expedient for us, that one man should die for the people, and that the whole nation perish not.
Joh 11:51
And this spake he not of himself: but being high priest that year, he prophesied that Jesus should die for that nation;
Joh 11:52
And not for that nation only, but that also he should gather together in one the children of God that were scattered abroad.
Joh 11:53
Then from that day forth they took counsel together for to put him to death.
A good example of Spirit using an enemy to "prophecy" or speak the words of God.
It is happening all around us all of the time but we have to See it. Or Hear it, rather.
When a conversation is boring or agravating we can change our perspective.
Shift to listening for the meaning that others are not hearing.
Sometimes the reafirmations we need are hidden in peoples words.
We are living in two worlds at the same time. (At least two)
A person who can "See" could read in the above quote two "sources", meanings or intents for the words spoken. One meaning originating from the "enemy" Caiaphas, the other from the Spirit.
This, I believe, is the reason that this verse exists in Scripture. For this very reason. So that we can recognise that Spirit works this way sometimes and by realizing this, we can apply it in our daily lives.
Sometimes God speaks through the "bad guys."
Another example of this is when after being sold into slavery by his brothers, falsely accused of rape, put into prison and almost executed, Joseph was reunited with his brothers. (An allegory of reaching the Totality of ourselves)
Then, after 20 years away from his brothers and having attained to second in command of the entire Egyptian Empire, he reveals himself to his brothers (who did not recognize him) and says, "You meant it for evil but God meant it for good."
So not only words can be interpreted in this way, but situations also.
Sometimes we just have to shift gears and look for what is happening.
Look deeper.
Petty Tyrants - Guest - 08-09-2011
one has to touch that place where no tyrant exisit. Its inside every tyrant. To touch its not such a big feat, thus until the human form is shed, its not permanent. So we keep being tested...and even after too.
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