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naguals an flyers.. - Mornings Son - 01-19-2017
It has been a long story--->
yet its simple
I tracked the story, the patterns, habits
What happened?
What is the feeling ?
the concept/story/narrative and your judgement on it
How is the energy?
What the habitual actions?
How do you benefit from it? (most important question... its variations on not taking responsibility and manipulations)
'By calling the Troll its name you gain power over it' a danish proverb goes.
So giving it a name and externalizing it from yourself is a way to gain control/freedom of/from it
naguals an flyers.. - Billy - 01-20-2017
Mornings Son, as usual, you are on top. I use space (quiet detachment) for attention to those things you mention. Beyond gaining perspective and resolve for conventional issues, I am continually reinforcing a sense of building a vision of my Self and my dreams. That is, I don't focus on tonal activity apart from choosing an upwardly spiritual direction.
It is important to notice and control the habits of where attention is placed in daily manifestation. What reflections are a distraction to my vertical path? There are fundamental patterns I need to reinforce. This is organized work of doing awareness. I don't want to be anchored by random tonal details and reflections.
One starts by gaining separation so as to improve tangible situations via a check on logic and emotions. This evolves into a pervasive quality of unconcern and heightened awareness. Recently, I recognized that 'time' can arrive in front of me---> I am not entrenched in past, present, future self-imagery. The moment is new {this is a quality I am aware of..this is a quality I cultivate.. I have a connective gratitude}
glance left, I like your stalking of rosygyro. I look at hundreds of things he does as if they are koans. I don't understand any of it.. then suddenly I do.
I won some great battles recently.. so some energy was used. I like to toss ideas when I am 'down' moreso than when up. Nonetheless, I am doing the amazing. I think I'll begin to show here once in a while, and forget my inaccessible PC.
naguals an flyers.. - watergaze - 01-20-2017
MS, please elaborate on this:
MS wrote:In Toltec tradition you can see and heal different parts of you shadow using an Obsidian mirror. It quits good
You are now the second person I know of that uses Obsidian mirrors (not counting me). After a long fascination with them, I have all of a sudden found 2 people within a few days. I like . Please share this method you speak of. I would like to try it . I guess I can imagine how it would go, but I'd rather you tell me what you do, maybe give an example, etc.
naguals an flyers.. - Mornings Son - 01-20-2017
I learned from Sergio Magana he writes about it in one of his books. 'Toltec secrets' or 'the sixth sun'
It is tradition that he learned from oral tradition and spread out into the world.
So im not willing to share info as I'm not as qualified to do so.
Here is a video with Sergio on Obsidian mirror.
naguals an flyers.. - glance left - 01-21-2017
Nice...thx, MS. I love hearing stories of warriors stalking themselves They're inspirational
naguals an flyers.. - Mornings Son - 01-22-2017
I found this interesting perspective on the topicYour Demons May Not Be What They Seem
This article uses creative visualisation techniques based on a process created and developed by Lama Tsultrim Allione. Both Psychologists and Buddhist teachers use creative visualisation techniques, as they invoke the imagination and greatly improve healing outcomes. Tibetan Buddhist tantra in particular has long made use of these imaginal practices.
Creative visualisation is a cognitive process where you generate visual imagery with the mind, and then consciously inspect and transform the images, thereby modifying their associated emotions or feelings. This creates a powerful effect, and has been used to minimise physical pain, or to alleviate psychological symptoms such as anxiety or depression and improve self-confidence or enhance your abilities.
from this Article by By Lama Tsultrim Allione on Thursday January 19th, 2017
naguals an flyers.. - watergaze - 01-23-2017
thnx MS for the reference. I guess I will have to dig into those books at some point then. I would not mind if you just told me what you do with the mirror yourself and what works for you. I'd prefer that actually.
Concerning the video, those things he mentions: disappearing oneself, shifting into an animal or see a different form - those are not things that are specific to the obsidian mirror (but I guess that is not so strange). I did that regularly with 'ordinary' mirrors (I had no idea that was an actual thing / technique). The disappearing thing, I was not aware that it can have such strong healing effects though as he mentions, speaking of which and to come back to flyer topic with this too, maybe it could work on the flyer as well .
naguals an flyers.. - Mornings Son - 01-23-2017
Watergaze.
There is different ways for men and women. Yet the practice contains of 12 (or something) steps of cleaning the shadow. Different aspects like anger, fear, ego-delusion, greed, sexual energy etc. Systematic moving through the caves and doing tiny rituals at each point.
naguals an flyers.. - rosygyro - 01-24-2017
glance left wrote:Nice...thx, MS. I love hearing stories of warriors stalking themselves They're inspirationalSo it was 1999. I was at college/university at a party for the liquid acid and Goa pilgrim hash heads..a few "normal" people had been dragged into the mix as the party was in walled garden of a house whos frontage
was on a city street.. some of these people had never smoked a joint.
As a long term hippy i had it all, smoking my joints and looking for drugs, kicking the fire and throwing on logsIt was like this great payback for being called a druggy when i was 4 yrs old by local farmers kids in the sticks,
Anyway.. a real shaman sat next to me... far as i could see he was all normality..he pointed out another "normal" and intoned what do you see.I saw the mans eyes turn pink and his face twist to dread, his subconsious lust for little girls wreakinga hidden riptide shuffle inside his head, pridefull veneer from which he was hiding- (like paint hides from the wall it is daubed on).stalk on'
i remember now i glanced elswhere and saw another pink eyed man , all twisted up inside with some babydick problemor some homophobic anal exoretention..glancing now around the partay....i surfacely judged all and sundry, skipping from marked by fear, to lost by pity, to robbed by stupid-all nitty gritty.
then i STOPPED.
Said i want no part of this vision.no part of this sobriety.
and the Shaman set me free apon the warriors path..knowing i would not abuse when power came through/to me.
.............................................the warriors path was met by me the first instant of sobriety.remember your key.endevour.
please don't try to bullshit recapitulationthe truth will set you free.
naguals an flyers.. - rosygyro - 01-25-2017
I think many of the initiations on the warriors pathand indeed the tests of immpeccbility (see above)are over as soon as they begin.
I remember drowning in a river currentI tried to grab for a neihbouring swimmerinstantly i realised i would drag them underand so i let go and started going underwhilst drawn downstream.I could see the sea 120 miles away as the river was flowingcould see dead sailors in davey jones locker.
i am so glad that time wasnt spent beingpunched in the face to stop me drowningsomeone else as well.
as it happens i was rescued from the currenthumiliating weakness that it was.At least i let go.
naguals an flyers.. - glance left - 01-25-2017
"i surfacely judged all and sundry, skipping from marked by fear, to lost by pity, to robbed by stupid-all nitty gritty.
then i STOPPED"
Sounds like you defeated clarity, as it manifests itself as an enemy.
"and so I let go and started to go under"
This, for me, is my key. I will endeavor.
"please don't try to bullshit recapitulation
the truth will set you free"
Truth, for me, is inherent in taking the key...inserting it and then turning it.....moment by moment. Recapitulation, for me, is the act of letting go in the face of the compulsion to cling. So, inserting and turning the key in the face of resistance.
naguals an flyers.. - rosygyro - 01-26-2017
glance left wrote:
Sounds like you defeated clarity, as it manifests itself as an enemy.
Hmm..
The thing is.. that little defeat of clarity.. was also seen as discrimination by the nagual.who although appreciating i did not want to sadisticly hunt and judge my fellow manalso took my dissacciation from them as a form of seperatismand hammered those portions of my assemblage.I became nuerotic and paranoid and subvertedly messed up
and began the warriors path.perhas i actually failed the test for sobriety as i did lose m mind,
I imagine that had i decided that looking at people in a way which rode apon their sickness was a skillor an angle of power that was seeing beyond ordinary mens capabilitiesthat i would have started the path of sobriety and failed the warriors test.
anyway..what i want is a second shot at sobrietyand i want those who chose sobriety to do the immpeccable thingand have a secnd shot at the warriors path.
sounds simple..nah.
obviously this was some 18 years ago now
naguals an flyers.. - glance left - 01-26-2017
"what i want is a second shot at sobriety"
I don't understand this statement. It sounds hopeful for something off in the future. Isn't that "second shot" at hand? Aren't you in the thick of it?
naguals an flyers.. - rosygyro - 01-26-2017
Sigh.. i suppose so.
naguals an flyers.. - Mornings Son - 01-30-2017
Rosy I make good sense of 1 and 3. Good stuff ))))
Please explain 2
naguals an flyers.. - glance left - 01-31-2017
I just saw impression of this in vision while meditating few minutes ago. Just a personal take on the diagram, could be "wrong".
The sphere can't pass through the hatch in the corporeal lattice because of the disruption on the surface which is gripped by inorganic force, keeping it imprisoned. The naked other is smooth, thus passes through effortlessly. But in order to become smooth to pass through, it has to disengage from the codependent interaction between being disrupted and what's doing the disrupting, which are hand in hand, currently keeping the prisoner fixed with/behind the lattice.
naguals an flyers.. - rosygyro - 01-31-2017
2 is the mayan ball game.
naguals an flyers.. - rosygyro - 01-31-2017
you are aware that things "look" different depending apon the position of the assembage point.
i did an expereiment on aesthetic and vision of potential about 13 years ago.experiment involved melting glass into 2 ingotsthen smashing 2 ingots into 1000s of pieces using an iron V shaped tool.next i would identify (with the larger pieces) which ones i liked the look of
and which ones i did not.i would then take the two heaps of broken glass place back into kiln and melt them down into ingots again.repeat step 1)
every "work" day,, i would open the kiln take out two glass ingotssmashe them to pieces.. sort into 2 aesthetic heapsand place back into kiln..so the next days ingots..one ingot would be made of nice shapes identified the previous day melted down and cooledand one made of nasty shapes melted down and cooled.
every work day i would put two sets of smashed glass into the kiln (one nice , one nastyswitch it on.and know tommorow there would be two near identical ingots ready to smash.
gradually the glass degraded and became blue and vitrified from over processsand i threw it in the dumpster.
you would think it was a completley pointless experimentexcept each night when i lay down to dreami would think about my next days workand think about the two streams of melting glass in the kilns.
FACT 1)- Both streams of glass were the same chemical composition. Both streams of glass were heated to identical temp in the same kiln for the same ramping time in the same atmosphere.Fact 2) I could only foresee the process ocurring in the glass shapes i "liked". It seemed that the aesthetic is did not agree with was RESISTENTto my vision .prediction of its process.
eventually i identified the common link between the two aesthetics.the ones i liked could have all been shattered from a glass sphere.the ones i didnt like could have all been made from a glass cube (minus its contained sphere).
and so the cube was resistent to the truth of processthe sphere was almost too maleable or predictable within process.
so the sphere moves too easy.that it passes through does not move easy enough- even when it does.
.....................
I appreciate its badly written. i blame the cube.
naguals an flyers.. - rosygyro - 01-31-2017
i say streams of glass .the shattered , sorted glass was placed in ceramic pots to melt throughso it didnt simply slump into ingot formbut drizzled in the REDNESS OBSCURED DARKNESS
naguals an flyers.. - glance left - 01-31-2017
What do you mean by "activating tensions between A and B"....what I like and what I dislike. Do you mean a neutralizing or reconciling tension?
naguals an flyers.. - rosygyro - 01-31-2017
glance left wrote:What do you mean by "activating tensions between A and B"....what I like and what I dislike. Do you mean a neutralizing or reconciling tension?its more basic than that.
beaks curve around a skull.claws curve around a bone.cubes curve around spheres
beaks and claws and hooks are made from the substance outside the sphere.i think it is partially a primal fear of the predators effects,,
This is an observation you understand.an observation that some aesthetic is easy to envision in process.some aesthetic is difficult to envision in process.
that some magicians and sorcerers will make vision from the sphere to lull a viewers mind into its course.that some magicians will make a vision of stability from the cube to create a firmament to freeze a viewer in tracks.that the tension between the two is at least a balance, a non manipulatiing truth.it may still have the power to freeze in tracks, or to lull downstream..but it will be knowledge of time when it does.I am not and have never been a cheat.i only say this 1 year old expereimnt because in recapitualtion the cube has broken free.
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naguals an flyers.. - rosygyro - 01-31-2017
Even the supersoldiers wore out their warriorship..its all worn out.we are all bored.the great heights of insanity will yield to a habitual demise.a new warriorship could exists.if only old age did not prohibit the sober.http://www.youtube.com/v/B177YS0YGyY&ve ... tube_gdata
naguals an flyers.. - glance left - 01-31-2017
"a new warriorship could exists.
if only old age did not prohibit the sober"
Isn't it that the new warriorship progressively learns to coexist amidst old age, as it happens, through death? (Talk is cheap, yeah...I know. I'm older but not "old".....yet. Soon )
Impression is that it's an awareness that progressively disengages from what is inevitably dying. As awareness detaches, it allows for the melting away (or tearing away, as the case may be) of what was fixed by virtue of fear of predation. It's all here...my hooks, my beak, my claws...clinging to what cannot last. It's fear, yeah. It compulsively clings. To what? Self reflection...the reflection of the sense of self in comparison and reaction to what is hunting it to the end. The end of self reflection. Inevitability. One could say it's already happened. You imply space's equivalence with death....or its symbiosis, or something. So it's inevitable that space is where I'm heading...and so, to relinquish to space here and now because if I can't beat 'em, join 'em.
I remember LSD and deep states of meditative silence.....all the right angles (the box) sag and lose their angularity. No more right angles. Fixation softens. It's just what happens...it's not that any vision of the configuration of escape engenders the shift away from right angles of fixation. There's an effort required to impose the right angles. Social agreement supplies it....or enforces it....but my energy is used for it. What if I progressively stop upholding it? Not what if I envision what happens when I stop....but what actually happens when I stop?
Something about the issue with metaphors....of reaching out/forward with vision....that seems, at least to me on some level, to cause a displacement. It diverts from actuality....the position from which liberation may evolve by what actually happens all by itself. Here and now. Yeah, things look bleak from the intuition of the knowledge that it won't work, looking forward. Looking forward, things look bleak, collectively. Envisioning it, by virtue of the displacement engendered by the intent to envision....say...."world peace"....or whatever else....the displacement ensures that it will derail....because it carries the Trojan Horse with it, containing the agents of infection.
Again, speaking for myself....personal impressions that are ultimately useless, I know, once I pontificate. They should simply provide impetus to the act that they imply....feeding into itself
naguals an flyers.. - rosygyro - 01-31-2017
LIFE DEATH.
If we are to take the new science of stem cells as example.With new scientific methods comes the ability to retrodifferentiate mature cells to an innocent blank slate level. aka stem calls.these stem cells can be injected into any existic tissue mass ans they will through harmonic resonance with the bodies natural shapetake on the form of healthy tissue, comensurate with their surroundings.the retrodifferentiated stem cell is the archetypal undone social conditioning in cellular form.wether heart, liver, lung, kidney, intestine, brain, knee, toe.. they will viscerally conform.
Now- my vision of space.My greatest belief is that DNA only exists for things..it can have information to create lips and where the skin ceases.. but no DNA says hole.It can make information for heart and lungs.. but no DNA says "slip" between the two..Space for me is the opposite of a stem cell. a stem cell is most at home in the innocence of any organ.. just
becoming mature within its environment.Space for me is un-code.. it is the thing that stops organs sticking together, it is the thingwhich makes not only eye holes, ear holes, arseholes.. but also internal sphincters throughout the bodyeach one an absence of code.so when i turn to space and say i subject myself to it..i am drawing silent division between organs..i am declaring DNAs absence from holes.I am declaring each organ to be alone.and each cell to be alone.each person to be alone.each genus, each planet, each flora, fauna and FOE to be alone.............
space is death.. is really a healing song.asking that my lung dos not stick to my ribs and cause pain..or that cholestorol does not stick to artery. or chicken bone stick in intestinal cavity......................Man is like a seive.. he is full of holes..and where space travels through without blockage all is good..........Of the stem cells.. They need never know for they are in the middle inncoence of each organ.. each mote......life and death in perspective...
Of old age i believe in ghosts..not just spectres with candles on hidden steps.but an accumulated ghost of the species death..How many people have died since you were born? what became of their rements?.................................................................................there were once three sisters who shared an eye..two were never blind..all three saw in a way tinged by the power of she who held the sphere.So when the first held the sphere all THREEdanced a jig.. would wrthe to the silent earth, its spheres and the surounding cosmos.and through their dance of life they all could see as sisters.when the second held the eye.. all three would hear.. would hear life screaming its way through potential,, hear it biting into challengeand shedding off the past.when the third held the eye.. all three would sing, screech, scream a harmony.. through expression of which they would also see.
three sisters who shared an eye.
................I am alright/ I am nice..I wouldnt want to meet me when i am dead.
naguals an flyers.. - glance left - 02-01-2017
Space heals. I believe it.
I get this feeling, when aligned, of empty channels opening up through which energy just naturally streams through from wherever it comes from to wherever its going. Short lived though it is, it's intensely invigorating. It's amazing going from disalignment to alignment.....literally seconds separate the sensation of being cut off and inwardly obstructed....not a healthy feeling....to being empowered as a clear (or clear-er) conduit.
And, during that empowerment, I can see where the compulsion comes from to abuse or at least mis-use. It seems, though, from personal experience...more with mis-use than abuse....that the natural way of things simply cuts off that flow when mis-use manifests. That being said, I don't get how the ancients remained empowered in the context of such spectacular abuse. I think I'm not seeing the whole thing clearly. My perspective is too narrow.
Stem cells. I wonder if what's called the "energy body" is synonymous? Isn't that the counterpart which can adapt and inhabit the shifting framework of the second attention. Retrodifferentiation.....pleuripotentiality.