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Near Death Experiences - delawaredan - 07-01-2007
can we agree to disagree Bob....i do not believe that the perfect law was revealed in the bible.
i do not discredit your belief or any belief....
i am curious about one thing....what do you believe happens to an individual who does not accept jesus christ as the only way to enlightenment.
Near Death Experiences - Bob May - 07-01-2007
"can we agree to disagree Bob....i do not believe that the perfect law was revealed in the bible."
Of course, You are the master of what you allow yourself to believe. As am I.
I only give my own opinions based on my own studies and meditations over the years.
It is my opinion that there were two "Perfect Laws" in the Bible. Just to make my point a little more clear.
One to paint us into a corner, and one to let us out.
"i am curious about one thing....what do you believe happens to an individual who does not accept jesus christ as the only way to enlightenment."
Good question, right to the heart of the matter. In other words, am I laying another law upon people and am I a hypocrite?
To answer that question, I will tell a story that I heard long ago. I may not get the details correct, but it goes something like this.
A missionary went to a far off land. I believe it was India. While there, he, in the process of spreading the Gospel to the native people, was told of a holy man that lived alone up on a mountain. He decided to visit him and tell him the good news.
After a long climb up the mountain he met the holy man and told him the story of Jesus and all that he had done.
At this, the holy man replied; "Hey, I know him."
The problem is that people mix Jesus and Christ together.
Jesus was the chosen vessel that was prophecied throughout O.T. scripture to bring about the lifting of the Law that was brought by Moses. Where Moses brought the Law, Jesus brought Grace (a gift) and Truth (God is not mad at anybody).
Anyone who has an awareness of Grace as Reality already knows the essence of Jesus' message. Those people will not buy into a Wrathful, comdemning God.
Since Christ, or Christ Consciousness (whether it is called that in your langauge or not) is a necessary awareness "on the way back" to the Father, Nagual or Source of All, then the person who reaches Oneness, must "pass through" that same level of awareness.
Another way of looking at it is through the geneology of Jesus.
Abraham = the belief in things invisible to,..
David = The knowledge that God does not hold our sin against us,.. to
Jesus = God is my salvation.
These are levels of "seeing" or awakening to the Truth.
The O.T. characters were analogies, symbols of our waking up to reality.
You have to have the Abraham awareness or belief that there is an invisible world "out there" to progress at all towards "seeing".
You have to go through the level of awareness symbolised by David, which is; (God is not holding all of my screw-ups against me) to go any further toward becoming One with the infinite.
I know that the people on this list have reached at least the first Abraham awareness or you would not be here.
And I can tell when a person is at least touching on the David awareness by the very fact that the holding a grudge by God does not sound God-like to them.
The entire lineage of Jesus is a roadmap to Oneness. Those of the family line from Abraham to Christ were given the "Covenant" = Promise of circumcision. The Covenant, not the Commandment. It is symbolic of the removing of the "Veils of Flesh" so that we can "see" into the spiritual realms. As paul says it is the true circumcision of the heart. Like onion skins as Don Juan put it.
The moving of the assemblage point towards the core of our being.
The promises are given to those who remove the veils.
The end result is Christ Consciousness. And then Oneness with the All.
No one cometh to the Father but through me.
Jesus was speaking as Christ.
Bob
Near Death Experiences - delawaredan - 07-01-2007
i apologize, but i still did not decipher an answer in your response. let me put it this way, is "christ" the only way to see? are we able to see with out "christ" and the OT symbolism.
i do not believe in god...but i believe in the ability to move the assemblage point and to seek freedom upon death.
there are many philosophies that have helped many different cultures and lineages; christ, the OT are but a few in the history of mankind.
i really do appreciate your views...you explain the Oneness that was taught by jesus and "christ" with controlled intent and mastery
as this conversion will not be solved upon a forum posting, i again thank you for your views and my challenge
Near Death Experiences - Bob May - 07-01-2007
"i apologize, but i still did not decipher an answer in your response. let me put it this way, is "christ" the only way to see? are we able to
see with out "christ" and the OT symbolism."
Yes, but the point I am trying to make is how far do you want to see. How deeply toward the source.
i do not believe in god...but i believe in the ability to move the assemblage point and to seek freedom upon death.
Then, you do believe in the invisible side of things and that is good.
Most people believe in "something" out there. Some intelligence.
In my opinion, "agreements from the world around us" or "reaffirmations" prove that intelligence. Others need more proof. That's O.K
too.
How we view that intelligence has as many variations as there are human beings. Even two different people from the same school of thought do not percieve the
reality of this universe identically and should not.
We are individuals with individual points of view.
I am just trying to share mine.
Bob
Near Death Experiences - SSilhouette - 07-01-2007
Here is an eerily similar description given by an NDE that reflects don Juan's description of "the filaments" that impress themselves on people via the Assemblage Point (AP) and cause perception of that specific bundle of filaments..also seeing, dreaming, allies, the unknown and the unknowable, and the use of psychotropic plants to shift the AP...no less!Quote:all of a sudden, in the distance, I saw a star, a small speck of light, and began walking towards it. As I approached the light, it got bigger an bigger, and I began to walk faster an faster. As the light got brighter, I noticed it began to shoot lines out, I saw them simultaneously coming to the light, an from the light, instantaneous it seemed.. and they were laying down all around me, very much like a "bit map" on a computer,, just lines an squares forming what seemed to be a landscape. As I kept getting closer,, the land began to fill in,, I saw green grass,, rolling hills.. and just before I stepped into the light.. I saw from the corner of my eye,, the land seemed to stretch on forever, green hills and grass...
..The moment I stepped into the light. I then knew everything there ever was to know, every answer to every question that could ever be asked. The light, in my personal opinion, is the source of all life, it is life before life is created. And the light itself, comes from somewhere else...
..I walked to the light, I saw no tunnel, but the lines an the landscape that was laid around me seemed perfectly symmetrical. I was walking dead center,, right to the light, the light creating everything around me, filling in the darkness with green landscapes...
..I met everyone before they are born, after they die, I met everything that we perceive as life, physical. Before you are human, you are light, before a car becomes a car, it is light. Everything exists because of that light, everything is simply a wavelength of it...
..it wasn't until after my experience with the light, did I began to have dreams of flying, and meeting soul guides...
..The light in essence, is the boundary between life and whatever creates the light. I felt in the light that there was more, there is something beyond it, but I was not ready, not allowed to move on yet. [he witnessed the unknown and got a glimpse of the unknowable]..
..Experience was definitely real I was too young at the time to know anything about what it was. I had no knowledge of anything spiritual...
..something inside me, knows people. I cant explain it. I know when their lying, I know their hearts. And because of this, many people chose not to be near me, their secrets are too valuable..{know that one all too well-seeing ]..
[for Bob]..After this experience, when I got old enough to understand it and religion. I found out that religious beliefs are all the same generally, but man has added in their own views and wants, so the messages that these peaceful people had brought to us, are contorted and twisted. Love all, that is the basis for all religion. The rest is filler for fear or profit gain...
..Psychedelic mushrooms, have proven to me to be a good way to begin the process of finding yourself. Im sure there are other plants that help to remember the light, where we came from, but I have had in my adult years experience with mushrooms that showed me the energy of all life in its true form, but not the light itself. Self discovery takes practice, patience, and release, there is no crash course, unless maybe your hit by a bus ha-ha...[hmm...sounds familiar]~link=www.nderf.org/james_e_nde.htm newwindow]James' NDE[/link] "The Reality Is That You Will Die. The Uncertainty Is What Will Happen After That.."
Near Death Experiences - Bob May - 07-02-2007
Thanks SSil,
Excellent post. Good descriptions of both the lines of the earth and seeing peoples souls in their faces.
BobBob
Near Death Experiences - Aranno Way - 07-02-2007
Sil the link that you just provided is the same as when I'm in the second attention the same feeling of no unanswered questions and the revealings of what is and how I'm associated with it.
Near Death Experiences - Blackbeardd - 07-19-2007
Now I want an account of an ADE or At Death Experience, or I am going to scream real loud.
Near Death Experiences - grandspeculator - 12-20-2008
In spiritual affairs NDE should be called near-life experiences.
In imminent death we are immensely more connected to life that in our normal state. The issue is keeping death as a permanent war adviser instead of an adviser
when things go sourer.
In the end is not ourselves the ones that fear death but our self-important and indulgent egos. They see the end of the game and run away!
Near Death Experiences - ovdeto - 01-21-2009
In 1982 I died from terminal cancer. The condition I had was inoperable, and any kind of chemotherapy they could give me would just have made me more of a
vegetable. I was given six to eight months to live.
I had been an information freak in the1970's, and I had become increasingly despondent over the nuclear crisis, the ecology crisis, and so
forth. So, since I did not have a spiritual basis, I began to believe that nature had made a mistake, and that we were probably a cancerous organism on the
planet. I saw no way that we could get out from all the problems we had created for ourselves and the planet. I perceived all humans as cancer, and that is
what I got.
That is what killed me. Be careful what your world view is. It can feed back on you, especially if it is a negative world view. I had a
seriously negative one. That is what led me into my death. I tried all sorts of alternative healing methods, but nothing helped.
So I determined that this was really just between me and God. I had never really faced God before, or even dealt with God. I was
not into any kind of spirituality at the time, but I began a journey into learning about spirituality and alterna¬tive healing. I set out to do all the reading
I could and bone up on the subject, because I did not want to be surprised on the other side. So I started reading on various religions and philosophies. They
were all very interesting, and gave hope that there was something on the other side. I ended up in hospice care.
I remember waking up one morning at home about 4:30 AM, and I just knew that this was it. This was the day I was going to die. So
I called a few friends and said goodbye. I woke up my hospice caretaker and told her. I had a private agreement with her that she would leave my dead body
alone for six hours, since I had read that all kinds of interesting things happen when you die. I went back to sleep.
The next thing I remember is the beginning of a typical near-death experience. Suddenly I was fully aware and I was standing up,
but my body was in the bed. There was this darkness around me. Being out of my body was even more vivid than ordinary experience. It was so vivid that I could
see every room in the house, I could see the top of the house, I could see around the house, I could see under the house.
There was this Light shining. I turned toward the Light. The Light was very similar to what many other people have described in
their near-death experiences. It was so magnificent. It is tangible; you can feel it. It is alluring; you want to go to it like you would want to go to your
ideal mother's or father's arms.
As I began to move toward the Light, I knew intuitively that if I went to the Light, I would be dead. So as I was moving toward
the Light I said, "Please wait a minute, just hold on a second here. I want to think about this; I would like to talk to you before I go." To my
surprise, the entire experience halted at that point. You are in control of your life after death experience. You are not on a roller coaster ride.
So my request was honored and I had some conversations with the Light. The Light kept changing into different figures, like Jesus,
Buddha, Krishna, mandalas, archetypal images and signs. I asked the Light, "What is going on here? Please, Light, clarify yourself for me. I really want
to know the reality of the situation." I cannot really say the exact words, because it was sort of telepathy.
The Light responded. The information transferred to me was that during your life after death experience your beliefs shape the
kind of feedback you are getting before the Light. If you were a Buddhist or Catholic or Fundamentalist, you get a feedback loop of your own stuff. You have a
chance to look at it and examine it, but most people do not. As the Light revealed itself to me, I became aware that what I was really seeing was our higher
Self matrix.
We all have a higher Self, or an oversoul part of our being. It revealed itself to me in its truest energy form. The only way I
can really describe it is that the being of the higher Self is more like a conduit. It did not look like that, but it is a direct connection to the Source that
each and every one of us has. We are directly connected to the Source. So the Light was showing me the higher Self matrix. I was not committed to one
particular religion. So that is what was being fed back to me during my life after death experience.
As I asked the Light to keep clearing for me, to keep explaining, I understood what the higher Self matrix is. We have a grid
around the planet where all the higher Selves are connected. This is like a great company, a next subtle level of energy around us, the spirit level, you might
say. Then, after a couple of minutes, I asked for more clarification. I really wanted to know what the universe is about, and I was ready to go at that time. I
said "I am ready, take me."
Then the Light turned into the most beautiful thing that I have ever seen: a mandala of human souls on this planet. Now I came to
this with my negative view of what was happening on the planet. So as I asked the Light to keep clarifying for me, I saw in this magnificent mandala how
beautiful we all are in our essence, our core. We are the most beautiful creations.
The human soul, the human matrix that we all make together is absolutely fantastic, elegant, exotic, everything. I just cannot say
enough about how it changed my opinion of human beings in that instant. I said, "Oh, God, I did not know how beautiful we are." At any level, high or
low, in whatever shape you are in, you are the most beautiful creation, you are.
The revelations coming from the Light and seemed to go on and on, then I asked the Light, "Does this mean that Mankind will
be saved?" Then, like a trumpet blast with a shower of spiraling lights, the Great Light spoke, saying, "Remember this and never forget; you save,
redeem and heal yourself. You always have. You always will. You were created with the power to do so from before the beginning of the world."
In that instant I realized even more. I realized that WE HAVE ALREADY BEEN SAVED, and we saved ourselves because we were designed
to self-correct like the rest of God's universe. This is what the second coming is about. I thanked the Light of God with all my heart. The best thing I
could come up with was these simple words of total appreciation: "Oh dear God, dear Universe, dear Great Self, I Love My Life."
The Light seemed to breathe me in even more deeply. It was as if the Light was completely absorbing me. The Love Light is, to this
day, indescribable. I entered into another realm, more profound than the last, and became aware of something more, much more. It was an enormous stream of
Light, vast and full, deep in the Heart of Life. I asked what this was.
The Light responded, "This is the RIVER OF LIFE. Drink of this manna water to your heart's content." So I did. I
took one big drink and then another. To drink of Life Itself! I was in ecstasy.
Then the Light said, "You have a desire." The Light knew all about me, everything past, present and future.
"Yes!" I whispered.
I asked to see the rest of the Universe; beyond our solar system, beyond all human illusion. The Light then told me that I could
go with the Stream. I did, and was carried Through the Light at the End of the Tunnel. I felt and heard a series of very soft sonic booms. What a rush!
Suddenly I seemed to be rocketing away from the planet on this stream of Life. I saw the earth fly away. The solar system, in all
its splendor, whizzed by and disappeared. At faster than light speed, I flew through the center of the galaxy, absorbing more knowledge as I went. I learned
that this galaxy, and all of the Universe, is bursting with many different varieties of LIFE. I saw many worlds. The good news is that we are not alone in this
Universe!
As I rode this stream of consciousness through the center of the galaxy, the stream was expanding in awesome fractal waves of
energy. The super clusters of galaxies with all their ancient wisdom flew by. At first I thought I was going somewhere; actually traveling. But then I realized
that, as the stream was expanding, my own consciousness was also expanding to take in everything in the Universe! All creation passed by me. It was an
unimaginable wonder! I truly was a Wonder Child; a babe in Wonderland!
At this point, I found myself in a profound stillness, beyond all silence. I could see or perceive FOREVER, beyond Infinity.
I was in the Void.
I was in pre-creation, before the Big Bang. I had crossed over the beginning of time/the First Word/the First vibration. I was in
the Eye of Creation. I felt as if I was touching the Face of God. It was not a religious feeling. Simply I was at one with Absolute Life and Consciousness.
When I say that I could see or perceive forever, I mean that I could experience all of creation generating itself. It was without
beginning and without end. That's a mind expanding thought, isn't it?
Scientists perceive the Big Bang as a single event which created the Universe. I saw during my life after death experience that
the Big Bang is only one of an infinite number of Big Bangs creating Universes endlessly and simultaneously. The only images that even come close in human
terms would be those created by super computers using fractal geometry equations.
The ancients knew of this. They said God had periodically created new Universes by breathing out, and recreated other Universes by
breathing in. These epochs were called Yugas. Modern science called this the Big Bang. I was in absolute, pure consciousness. I could see or perceive all the
Big Bangs or Yugas creating and recreating themselves. Instantly I entered into them all simultaneously. I saw that each and every little piece of creation has
the power to create. It is very difficult to try to explain this. I am still speechless about this.
It took me years after I returned from my near-death experience to assimilate any words at all for the Void experience. I can tell
you this now: the Void is less than nothing, yet more than everything that is! The Void is absolute zero; chaos forming all possibilities. It is Absolute
Consciousness; much more than even Universal Intelligence.
The Void is the vacuum or nothingness between all physical manifestations. The SPACE between atoms and their components. Modern
science has begun to study this space between everything. They call it Zero point. Whenever they try to measure it, their instruments go off the scale, or to
infinity, so to speak. They have no way, as of yet, to measure infinity accurately. There is more of the 0 space in your own body and the Universe than
anything else!
What mystics call the Void is not a void. It is so full of energy, a different kind of energy that has created everything that we
are. Everything since the Big Bang is vibration, from the first Word, which is the first vibration. The biblical "I am" really has a question mark
after it. "I am-What am I?" So creation is God exploring God's Self through every way imaginable, in an on¬going, infinite exploration through
every one of us. I began to see during my near-death experience that everything that is, is the Self, literally, your Self, my Self. Everything is the great
Self. That is why God knows even when a leaf falls. That is possible because wherever you are is the center of the universe. Wherever any atom is, that is the
center of the universe. There is God in that, and God in the Void.
As I was exploring the Void during my life after death experience and all the Yugas or creations, I was completely out of time and
space as we know it. In this expanded state, I discovered that creation is about Absolute Pure Consciousness, or God, coming into the Experience of Life as we
know it. The Void itself is devoid of experience. It is pre life, before the first vibration. Godhead is about more than Life and Death. Therefore there is
even more than Life and Death to experience in the Universe!
When I realized this I was finished with the Void, and wanted to return to this creation, or Yuga. It just seemed like the natural
thing to do. Then I suddenly came back through the second Light, or the Big Bang, hearing several more velvet booms. I rode the stream of consciousness back
through all of creation, and what a ride it was! The super clusters of galaxies came through me with even more insights. I passed through the center of our
galaxy, which is a black hole. Black holes are the great processors or recyclers of the Universe.
Do you know what is on the other side of a Black Hole? We are; our galaxy, which has been reprocessed from another Universe. In
its total energy configuration, the galaxy looked like a fantastic city of lights. All energy this side of the Big Bang is light. Every sub atom, atom, star,
planet, even consciousness itself is made of light and has a frequency and/or particle. Light is living stuff. Everything is made of light, even stones. So
everything is alive. Everything is made from the Light of God; everything is very intelligent.
As I rode the stream on and on, I could eventually see a huge Light coming. I knew it was the First Light; the higher Self Light
Matrix of our solar system. Then the entire solar system appeared in the Light, accompanied by one of those velvet booms.
I could see all the energy that this solar system generates, and it is an incredible light show! I could hear the Music of the
Spheres. Our solar system, as do all celestial bodies, generates a unique matrix of light, sound and vibratory energies. Advanced civilizations from other star
systems can spot life as we know it in the universe by the vibratory or energy matrix imprint. It is child's play. The earth's Wonder child (human
beings) make an abundance of sound right now, like children playing in the backyard of the universe.
The Light explained to me that there is no death; we are immortal beings. We have already been alive forever! I realized that we
are part of a natural living system that recycles itself endlessly. I was never told that I had to come back. I just knew that I would. It was only natural,
from what I had seen during my life after death experience.
I don't know how long I was with the Light, in human time. But there came a moment when I realized that all my questions had
been answered and my return was near. When I say that all my questions were answered on the other side, I mean to say just that. All my questions have been
answered. Every human has a different life and set of questions to explore. Some of our questions are Universal, but each of us is exploring this thing we call
Life in our own unique way. So is every other form of life, from mountains to every leaf on every tree.
And that is very important to the rest of us in this Universe. Because it all contributes to the Big Picture, the fullness of
Life. We are literally God exploring God's self in an infinite Dance of Life. Your uniqueness enhances all of Life.
As I began my return to the life cycle, it never crossed my mind, nor was I told that I would return to the same body. It just did
not matter. I had complete trust in the Light and the Life process. As the stream merged with the great Light, I asked never to forget the revelations and the
feelings of what I had learned on the other side.
There was a "Yes." It felt like a kiss to my soul.
Then I was taken back through the Light into the vibratory realm again. The whole process reversed, with even more information
being given to me. I came back home, and I was given lessons from my near-death experience on the mechanics of reincarnation. I was given answers to all those
little questions I had: "How does this work? How does that work?" I knew that I would be reincarnated.
The earth is a great processor of energy, and individual consciousness evolves out of that into each one of us. I thought of
myself as a human for the first time, and I was happy to be that. From what I have seen, I would be happy to be an atom in this universe. An atom. So to be the
human part of God... this is the most fantastic blessing. It is a blessing beyond our wildest estimation of what blessing can be. For each and every one of us
to be the human part of this experience is awesome, and magnificent. Each and every one of us, no matter where we are, screwed up or not, is a blessing to the
planet, right where we are.
I went through the reincarnation process expecting to be a baby somewhere. But I was given a lesson on how individual identity and
consciousness evolve. I was so surprised when I opened my eyes. I do not know why, because I understood it, but it was still such a surprise to be back in this
body, back in my room with someone looking over me crying her eyes out. It was my hospice caretaker. She had given up an hour and a half after finding me dead.
My body was stiff and inflexible. She went into the other room. Then I awakened and saw the light outside. I tried to get up to go to it, but I fell out of the
bed. She heard a loud "clunk," ran in and found me on the floor.
When I recovered, I was very surprised and yet very awed about what had happened to me during my near-death experience. At first
all the memory of the trip that I have now was not there. I kept slipping out of this world and kept asking, "Am I alive?" This world seemed more
like a dream than that one. Within three days I was feeling normal again, clearer, yet different than I had ever felt in my life. My memory of my near-death
experience came back later. I could see nothing wrong with any human being I had ever seen. Before that I was really judgmental. I thought a lot of people were
really screwed up, in fact I thought that everybody was screwed up but me. But I got clear on all that.
About three months later a friend said I should get tested, so I went and got the scans and so forth. I really felt good, so I was
afraid of getting bad news. I remember the doctor at the clinic looking at the before and after scans, saying, "Well, there is nothing here now." I
said, "Really, it must be a miracle"' He said "No, these things happen; they are called spontaneous remission." He acted very
unimpressed. But here was a miracle, and I was impressed, even if no one else was.
During my near-death experience I had a descent into what you might call Hell, and it was very surprising. I did not see Satan or
evil. My descent into Hell was a descent into each person's customized human misery, ignorance, and darkness of not knowing. It seemed like a miserable
eternity. But each of the millions of souls around me had a little star of light always available. But no one seemed to pay attention to it. They were so
consumed with their own grief, trauma and misery. But, after what seemed an eternity, I started calling out to that Light, like a child calling to a parent for
help.
Then the Light opened up and formed a tunnel that came right to me and insulated me from all that fear and pain, That is what Hell
really is. So what we are doing is learning to hold hands, to come together. The doors of Hell are open now. We are going to link up, hold hands, and walk out
of Hell together. The Light came to me and turned into a huge golden angel. I said, "Are you the angel of death?" It expressed to me that it was my
oversoul, my higher Self matrix, a super ancient part of ourselves. Then I was taken to the Light.
Soon our science will quantify spirit. Isn't that going to be wonderful? We are coming up with devices now that are sensitive
to subtle energy or spirit energy. Physicists use these atomic colliders to smash atoms to see what they are made of. They have got it down to quarks and
charm, and all that. Well, one day they are going to come down to the little thing that holds it all together, and they are going to have to call that ... God.
We are just beginning to understand that we are creating too, as we go along. As I saw forever, I came to a realm during my near-death experience in which
there is a point where we pass all knowledge and begin creating the next fractal, the next level. We have that power to create as we explore. And that is God
expanding itself through us.
Since my return I have experienced the Light spontaneously, and I have learned how to get to that space almost any time in my
meditation. Each one of you can do this. You do not have to die or have a near-death experience to do this. It is within your equipment; you are wired for it
already. The body is the most magnificent Light being there is. The body is a universe of incredible Light. Spirit is not pushing us to dissolve this body.
That is not what is happening. Stop trying to become God; God is becoming you. Here.
I asked God: "What is the best religion on the planet? Which one is right?" And Godhead said, with great love: "I don't
care." That was incredible grace. When Godhead said, "I don't care," I immediately understood that it is for us to care about. It is
important, because we are the caring beings. It matters to us and that is where it is important. What you have is the energy equation in spirituality. Ultimate
Godhead does not care if you are Protestant, Buddhist, or whatever. It is all a blooming facet of the whole. I wish that all religions would realize it and let
each other be. It is not the end of each religion, but we are talking about the same God. Live and let live. Each has a different view. And it all adds up to
the big picture; it is all important.
I went over to the other side during my near-death experience with a lot of fears about toxic waste, nuclear missiles, the population
explosion, the rainforest. I came back loving every single problem. I love nuclear waste. I love the mushroom cloud; this is the holiest mandala that we have
manifested to date, as an archetype. It, more than any religion or philosophy on earth, brought us together all of a sudden, to a new level of consciousness.
Knowing that maybe we can blow up the planet fifty times, or 500 times, we finally realize that maybe we are all here together now.
For a period they had to keep setting off more bombs to get it in to us. Then we started saying, "we do not need this any more." Now
we are actually in a safer world than we have ever been in, and it is going to get safer. So I came back from my near-death experience loving toxic waste,
because it brought us together. These things are so big. As Peter Russell might say, these problems are now "soul size." Do we have soul size
answers" YES!
The clearing of the rain forest will slow down, and in fifty years there will be more trees on the planet than in a long time. If you are into
ecology, go for it; you are that part of the system that is becoming aware. Go for it with all your might, but do not be depressed. It is part of a larger
thing.
Earth is in the process of domesticating itself. It is never again going to be as wild a place as it once was. There will be great wild places,
reserves where nature thrives. Gardening and reserves will be the thing in the future. Population increase is getting very close to the optimal range of energy
to cause a shift in consciousness. That shift in consciousness will change politics, money, energy.
After dying, going through my near-death experience and coming back, I really respect life and death. In our DNA experiments we may have opened
the door to a great secret. Soon we will be able to live as long as we want to live in this body.
After living 150 years or so, there will be an intuitive soul sense that you will want to change channels. Living forever in one body is not as
creative as reincarnation, as transferring energy in this fantastic vortex of energy that we are in. We are actually going to see the wisdom of life and death,
and enjoy it. As it is now, we have already been alive forever.
This body, that you are in, has been alive forever. It comes from an unending stream of life, going back to the Big Bang and beyond.
This body gives life to the next life, in dense and subtle energy.
This body has been alive forever already.
The source of this text:
http://www.mellen-thomas.com/stories.htm
Near Death Experiences - rosygyro - 03-24-2009
to be precise... no one knows that time exists outside corporeality......
it is the logical mind that runs on rails made of time and patterns of life witnessed!
conversations between the three deaths... (murder, disease,suicide) and the diferent mind styles.. or even afterlives... LIMBO for instance, purgatory,etc.....
it is the mind that allows a murderer to believe his victim is someone other than himself reflected... and hence to feel guilt! or the part of hiself he has
energeticly cut from his worlds.
It is the mind that makes the shape of a ghost that is not a unit , but a remnant of a state of persistence of a particular tonal function!.. i.e. stair
walking, digging in the garden!
there is some debate as to the logical minds reaction during suicide.. and to which point of consensual consiousness it latches.. to give it limbo states....
one thing is certain the mind is a menace to the "livings peception of the dead"....
Time is a menace to "the livings perception of the dead!!
"AFTER" is a time based concept based on the mind... as are all remnants of the living!
the best plan i can come up with to safeguard an ininite journey.. is to find an energetic method with which to make certain... that all remanants of my mind
are not only destroyed by my souls release.... but that all memories of me are turned into heart lessons for those i met in this life! their joy being my
freedom.. and nothing remains......
but the soul being present before birth and after death... means the journey is not "after" as such.. but a retraction away from the mind in line
with life .. to i suspect a point of origin... that will spew me toward another mortal journey!... the less mess i leave... the more likeley the next journey
will have a stranger lesson! this is why all energetic attatchement is frowned apon! the world is full of fools who use energetic attatchment to get what they
want... these people will never leave this planet on any journey... being inertia itself.. why the mind has inertial properties is a question indeed.... I
presume that if it inspires warriors to find freedom, it has a purpose! but oneday its purpose will be fulffilled... and the fool will cease to be
necissary!... like the stone age, the age of mind will give way to the age of reason!... a warrior is near death at all times in fact he aims for it... without
times presence!
Near Death Experiences - heluka - 06-26-2009
today i went to a place under a bridge where people commit suicide there. I told them, they are not a freakshow and I just came to visit them. Because I know
their lonely and extremely cold. Not Doing . Do not touch me With your body I said, because you are too cold, and she was nice, and the man was a bit weird and
flitty mischieous, while the female just sat in one place most of the time. lol . switch . I told them they have three years max until their contract is up .
because LA is dead by then. I think they enjoyed that . I actually had something useful to say , instead of just coming to prick at their personal history and
get scared. Although the steps and rocks I heard thrown as i threw them were pretty full of intent, like when there is an ally around. I saw a skunk. death . i
love you . please show me tricks tricks i dont know so I can see. Nagal, Ill find you, and By contract lets party.
Near Death Experiences - Nagual LoneWolf - 06-26-2009
The ones who await death are often found wading in power but having no energy they succumb to the flyer.
Near Death Experiences - Nagual LoneWolf - 09-17-2009
Death knows that it is final for earthborn beings BUT it doesn't know there is those who can slip past it for they are the ones who have learned to be
warriors in death. Death knows them and gives them freedom by their intent. The freedom is their choice to go into the light/eagle or to not.
Near Death Experiences - Guest - 08-21-2019