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((( THE NATURE OF REALITY ))) - Sacateca.sorcery - 10-22-2011
Mother Nature is Universal while the Spirit of the Earth is just of this planet
That is the big difference between Mother Nature and the Spirit of the Earth.
So what if you don't agree?
How is that any of my business?
Tonight, after Zumba/Martial Arts Cardio, Intent told me something extremely powerful and beyond what don Juan taught
INTENT SAID: Truly great warrior men of Universal Knowledge are defined not by what the are against, but by what the are for!
I
was against those who were against CC's don Juan. Now that I have lost
more respect for CC than ever before my concern is to build upon what
don Juan taught. So I am moving away from being against anything and
towards being FOR the wonderful and the inspiring no matter where I may
find it.
We really need to ask ourselves an important question:
If
there was an actual don Juan who eventually left the Earth how could CC
PROVE this by the way he lived? How could CC PROVE he was not don Juan
by the way he actually was?
Then examine the way CC actually was and you will have your answer.
HE MAY HAVE TRIED TO BE, BUT...
CC WAS NO DON JUAN!!!
((( THE NATURE OF REALITY ))) - Sacateca.sorcery - 10-22-2011
BarefootInTheSand wrote:Genardo Sacateca wrote:I'm curious how many of you are certain there was no don Juan, but are certain there actually was a Buddha?
You might be surprised I only think that there were people some of which became exceedingly good at describing the nature of these matters. In my view, it is not wise to put anyone up on a pedastool. Stop making people gods and start trusting your self. That is all you have anyways.
When I encounter people who give me indirect answers to direct questions I feel like slapping them across the face. What did I ask, eh?
((( THE NATURE OF REALITY ))) - Genardo Sacateca - 10-22-2011
((( THE NATURE OF REALITY ))) - Guest - 10-22-2011
((( THE NATURE OF REALITY ))) - Guest - 10-22-2011
Don Juan said that his benefactor had taken extra time and care with him and his warriors in everything that pertained to their mastering the art of stalking.
His benefactor used complex ploys to create an appropriate context for a counterpoint between the dictums of the rule and the behavior of the warriors in the daily world as they interacted with people.
He believed that that was the way to convince them that, in the absence of self-importance, a warrior's only way of dealing with the social milieu is in terms of controlled folly.
In the course of working out his ploys, don Juan's benefactor would pit the actions of people and the actions of the warriors against the commands of the rule, and would then sit back and let the natural drama unfold itself.
The folly of the people would take the lead for a while and drag the warriors into it, as seems to be the natural course; only to be vanquished in the end by the more encompassing designs of the rule.
Don Juan told us that at first he resented his benefactor's control over the players.
Don Juan even told his benefactor that to his face.
His benefactor was not fazed: He argued that his control was merely an illusion created by the Eagle: He was only an impeccable warrior, and his actions were a humble attempt to mirror the Eagle.
Don Juan said that the force with which his benefactor carried out his designs originated from his knowledge that the Eagle is real and final, and that what people do is utter folly.
The two together gave rise to controlled folly, which don Juan's benefactor described as the only bridge between the folly of people and the finality of the Eagle's dictums.
http://landred.blogdns.co...tml/cc_html_06/eg10.html
"The Eagle's Gift" - \ Carlos Castaneda
The Nagual's Party of Warriors
((( THE NATURE OF REALITY ))) - BarefootInTheSand - 10-22-2011
In order for people to break free of all the habits, agreements and false perceptions that hold them in pattern something would have to interupt the flow of that pattern so seriously as to render it visible. Until CCs books one had only near death experiences or drugs to do that. DJ continued to present CC with situations where CC could not conform to the patterned programed behavior and would have to think for himself. In his books, however, CC never seemed to get it. However, we can know that he got it because he wrote the books.
Freedom is not for everyone. It is hard. It means giving up the victim mentality and standing on ones own. Most do not want freedom. CC even mentioned this in his books. To be confronted by situations where you can see your usual robotic reactions is confronting. Many are offended by that confrontation. When they are they are faced with a very important choice. The safety of their old ways or stepping into the real. The choice they make is like a silent command to the universe and binds them in whatever they choose. CC even noted this in his books...you can only choose once. Not everyone is cut out to be a warrior. Many give in to their fears and desire for security.
DJ was loving...and more kind than DJs benefactor had been to him. The upset of the confrontation cannot be helped...it is a part of the path...something that must be gone through and come out the other side.
The same type of confrontational method was being taught by a number of people at the time CC wrote these books. CC gave it an interesting story but it is nothing new.
((( THE NATURE OF REALITY ))) - Sacateca.sorcery - 10-23-2011
Messages from Intent are increasing in power and majesty.
Although I
am still occasionally being given false messages from Intent in order
to keep me on guard for counterfeit messages.
I've been told that there four basic kinds of people in these forums:
The first kind barely looks at a TRUE message from Intent given to me and goes on to other things
The second kind reads the message, sniffs at it like a dumb dog, and THEN goes on to other things
The third kind reads the message, sniffs at it and before leaving does his best to proverbially 'piss' on it
The fourth kind is the most rare. He or she reads the message, tests it through application and gets a positive result.
Such rare people are pleasing to the Spirit of Intent and set themselves up to receive even greater messages from Intent.
BTW: What anyone does with a TRUE message from Intent given directly to me is none of my business.
Whether or not you earn Heaven or hell for yourselves is YOUR business and none of mine
Most of you people here are worth less than sh*t to me
So what you do with the great things I may share, heck, I really don't care
(made a poem)
SPECIAL EDIT:
Some
of you lying, cheating, dumbasss tricksters may wonder why I am still
here considering you do your best to piss on every good thing I may
share. Well, I can feel the power of Intent leading me to Ultimate
Victory and I rejoice in the fact that ALL OF YOU who are against me are
about to find out you were DEAD wrong, wrong, wrong!!
Yes, I like that. The concept really 'turns me on'
((( THE NATURE OF REALITY ))) - Sacateca.sorcery - 10-23-2011
Diamond Unicorn wrote
on Juan said that his benefactor had taken extra time and care with him and his warriors in everything that pertained to their mastering the art of stalking.His benefactor used complex ploys to create an appropriate context for a counterpoint between the dictums of the rule and the behavior of the warriors in the daily world as they interacted with people.
He believed that that was the way to convince them that, in the absence of self-importance, a warrior's only way of dealing with the social milieu is in terms of controlled folly.
In the course of working out his ploys, don Juan's benefactor would pit the actions of people and the actions of the warriors against the commands of the rule, and would then sit back and let the natural drama unfold itself.
The folly of the people would take the lead for a while and drag the warriors into it, as seems to be the natural course; only to be vanquished in the end by the more encompassing designs of the rule.
Don Juan told us that at first he resented his benefactor's control over the players.
Don Juan even told his benefactor that to his face.
His benefactor was not fazed: He argued that his control was merely an illusion created by the Eagle: He was only an impeccable warrior, and his actions were a humble attempt to mirror the Eagle.
Don Juan said that the force with which his benefactor carried out his designs originated from his knowledge that the Eagle is real and final, and that what people do is utter folly.
The two together gave rise to controlled folly, which don Juan's benefactor described as the only bridge between the folly of people and the finality of the Eagle's dictums.
http://landred.blogdns.co...tml/cc_html_06/eg10.html
"The Eagle's Gift" - \ Carlos Castaneda
The Nagual's Party of Warriors
Chances are they were ALL liars and tricksters, CC included, and should not be blindly believed no matter what they may have said
((( THE NATURE OF REALITY ))) - BarefootInTheSand - 10-23-2011
Nor should they be blindly dismissed.
By separating the story from the common points you are free to take what is useful and leave the rest...that is true freedom inho.
((( THE NATURE OF REALITY ))) - Guest - 10-24-2011
You might not get this comment and I will tell you why.
You haven't visited SR recently.
((( THE NATURE OF REALITY ))) - Guest - 10-24-2011
the future global government is near
technology is our magic
all bow down to the Machine
you cannot stop it, resistance is futile
the mechanization of the planet is inevitable
its for the greatest good
everyone needs an internet!
((( THE NATURE OF REALITY ))) - Guest - 10-24-2011
Unmanned drone attacks and shape-shifting robots: War's remote-control future
The Pentagon already includes unmanned drone attacks in its arsenal.
Next up: housefly-sized surveillance craft, shape-changing 'chemical
robots,' and tracking agents sprayed from the sky.
good luck guys, stay safe
((( THE NATURE OF REALITY ))) - Guest - 10-24-2011
Unmanned
drone attacks and shape-shifting robots: War's remote-control
future
The Pentagon already includes unmanned drone attacks in its
arsenal.
Next up: housefly-sized surveillance craft, shape-changing 'chemical
robots,' and tracking agents sprayed from the sky.
good
luck guys, stay safe
((( THE NATURE OF REALITY ))) - Guest - 10-24-2011
“The love of heaven makes one heavenly.”
-William Shakespeare
---
Inspiration
creative
Dreamer
T H E E I G H T F O L D M O D E L O F H U M A N
C O N S C I O U S N E S S
Robert Anton Wilson, The Illuminati Papers,
The Eight Basic Scripts
1. The biosurvival
Winner
"I will live forever or die trying."
Loser
"I don't know how to defend myself."
2. The emotional-territorial
Winner
"I am free; you are free; we can have our
separate trips or we can have the same trip."
Loser
"They all intimidate me."
3. The semantic
Winner
"I am learning more about everything,
including how to learn more."
Loser
"I can't solve my problems."
4. The sociosexual
Winner
"Love, and do what thou wilt." (Anon. of Ibid)
Loser
"Everything I like is illegal, immoral, or fattening."
5. The neurosomatic
Winner
"How I feel depends on my neurological knowhow."
Loser
"I can't help the way I feel."
6. The metaprogramming
Winner
"I make my own coincidences, synchronicities,
luck, and Destiny."
Loser
"Why do I have such lousy luck?"
7. The neurogenetic
Winner
"Future evolution depends on my decisions now."
Loser
"Evolution is blind and impersonal."
8. The neuroatomic
Winner
"In
the province of the mind, what is believed to be true is true, or
becomes true within certain limits to be learned by experience and
experiment." (Dr.John Lilly)
Loser
"I am not psychic, and I doubt anyone is."
-
*for the love of consciousness*
“Verbosity leads to unclear, inarticulate things.”
-Dan Quayle
((( THE NATURE OF REALITY ))) - Guest - 10-24-2011
((( THE NATURE OF REALITY ))) - Genardo Sacateca - 10-24-2011
"A
Vision of the sorcerer's world that is full of mind-spinning
implications in the Castanedian tradition." - United Press International
"His stories of initiation into the world of magic and
sorcery... can be both shocking and terrifying... "The Fire From Within"
will fascinate you." - The Nashville Tennessean
"One can't exaggerate the significance of what Castaneda has done." - The New York Times
BACK COVER
Each
of Carlos Castaneda's books is a brilliant and tantalizing burst of
illumination into the depths of our deepest mysteries, like a sudden
flash of light, like a burst of lightning over the desert at night,
which shows us a world that is both alien and totally familiar .. the
landscape of our dreams.
THE FIRE FROM WITHIN is the author's
most brilliant, thought-provoking and unusual book, one in which
Castaneda, under the tutelage of don Juan and his "disciples," at last
constructs, from the teachings of don Juan and his own experiences, a
stunning portrait of the "sorcerer's world" that is crystal-clear and
dizzying in its implications.
"It's impossible to view the world in quite the same way after reading THE FIRE FROM WITHIN." - Chicago Tribune
MY COMMENT:
Well,
it doesn't seem to me that it matters to these reviewers whether or not
don Juan was an actual person, does it? Were they more intelligent that
the bulk of you in this forum or less intelligent? I vote: 'MORE
INTELLIGENT'.
"1. The New Seers
I had arrived in the
city of Oaxaca in southern Mexico on my way to the mountains to look for
don Juan. On my way out of town in the early morning, I had the good
sense to drive by the main square, and there I found him sitting on his
favorite bench, as if waiting for me to go by.
I joined him. He
told me that he was in the city on business, that he was staying at a
local boardinghouse, and that I was welcome to stay with him because he
had to remain in town for two more days. We talked for a while about my
activities and problems in the academic world.
As was customary
with him, he suddenly hit me on my back when I least expected it, and
the blow shifted me into a state of heightened awareness.
We sat in silence for a very long time. I anxiously waited for him to begin talking, yet when he did, he caught me by surprise.
"Ages
before the Spaniards came to Mexico," he said, "there were
extraordinary Toltec seers, men capable of inconceivable deeds. They
were the last link in a chain of knowledge that extended over thousands
of years.
"The Toltec seers were extraordinary men- powerful
sorcerers, somber, driven men who unraveled mysteries and possessed
secret knowledge that they used to influence and victimize people by
fixating the awareness of their victims on whatever they chose."
He
stopped talking and looked at me intently. I felt that he was waiting
for me to ask a question, but I did not know what to ask.
"I have
to emphasize an important fact," he continued, "the fact that those
sorcerers knew how to fixate the awareness of their victims. You didn't
pick up on that. When I mentioned it, it didn't mean anything to you.
That's not surprising. One of the hardest things to acknowledge is that
awareness can be manipulated."
I felt confused. I knew that he
was leading me toward something. I felt a familiar apprehension; the
same feeling I had whenever he began a new round of his teachings.
I
told him how I felt. He smiled vaguely. Usually when he smiled he
exuded happiness. This time he was definitely preoccupied. He seemed to
consider for a moment whether or not to go on talking. He stared at me
intently again, slowly moving his gaze over the entire length of my
body. Then, apparently satisfied, he nodded and said that I was ready
for my final exercise, something that all warriors go through before
considering themselves fit to be on their own. I was more mystified than
ever.
"We are going to be talking about awareness," he
continued. "The Toltec seers knew the art of handling awareness. As a
matter of fact, they were the supreme masters of that art. When I say
that they knew how to fixate the awareness of their victims, I mean that
their secret knowledge and secret practices allowed them to pry open
the mystery of being aware. Enough of their practices have survived to
this day, but fortunately in a modified form. I say fortunately because
those activities, as I will explain, did not lead the ancient Toltec
seers to freedom, but to their doom."
"Do you know those practices yourself?" I asked.
"Why,
certainly," he replied. "There is no way for us not to know those
techniques, but that doesn't mean that we practice them ourselves. We
have other views. We belong to a new cycle."
"But you don't consider yourself a sorcerer, don Juan, do you?" I asked.
"No,
I don't," he said. "I am a warrior who sees. In fact, all of us are los
nuevos videntes- the new seers. The old seers were the sorcerers.
"For
the average man," he continued, "sorcery is a negative business, but it
is fascinating all the same. That's why I encouraged you, in your
normal awareness, to think of us as sorcerers. It's advisable to do so.
It serves to attract interest. But for us to be sorcerers would be like
entering a dead-end street."
MY COMMENT:
The
book is filled with knowledge like this. Like I keep saying you people
in this forum have one of two choices. Either you believe there actually
was a don Juan or...you believe that CC was a literary super-genius.
There is no other choice
So, what is your choice?
TO BAREFOOT:
You
are so friggin clueless. I am like a person writing that it doesn't
matter whether or not Jesus was an actual person in a forum full or
atheists! They are not going to agree with me without rejecting their
atheism and, from my experiences, atheists hold onto their beliefs like
nuns hold onto their crucifixes
((( THE NATURE OF REALITY ))) - Guest - 10-24-2011
Genardo Sacateca wrote:
d his "disciples," at last
constructs, from the teachings of don Juan and his own experiences, a
stunning portrait of the "sorcerer's world" that is crystal-clear and
dizzying in its implications.
"It's impossible to view the world in quite the same way after reading THE FIRE FROM WITHIN." - Chicago Tribune
MY COMMENT:
"But you don't consider yourself a sorcerer, don Juan, do you?" I asked.
"No,
I don't," he said. "I am a warrior who sees. In fact, all of us are los
nuevos videntes- the new seers. The old seers were the sorcerers.
"For
the average man," he continued, "sorcery is a negative business, but it
is fascinating all the same. That's why I encouraged you, in your
normal awareness, to think of us as sorcerers. It's advisable to do so.
It serves to attract interest. But for us to be sorcerers would be like
entering a dead-end street."
Thanks for this snip.
((( THE NATURE OF REALITY ))) - Genardo Sacateca - 10-25-2011
"Self-importance
is our greatest enemy. Think about it. What weakens us is feeling
offended by the deeds and misdeeds of our fellow men. Our
self-importance requires that we spend most of our lives offended by
someone.
"The new seers recommended that every effort should be
made to eradicate self-importance from the lives of warriors. I have
followed that recommendation, and much of my endeavors with you has been
geared to show you that without self-importance we are invulnerable."
...He
said that seers, old and new, are divided into two categories. The
first one is made up of those who are willing to exercise self-restraint
and can channel their activities toward pragmatic goals which would
benefit other seers and man in general. The other category consists of
those who don't care about self-re-straint or about any pragmatic goals.
It is the consensus among seers that the latter have failed to resolve
the problem of self-importance.
"Self-importance is not something
simple and naive," he explained. "On the one hand, it is the core of
everything that is good in us; and on the other hand, the core of
everything that is rotten. To get rid of the self-importance that is
rotten requires a masterpiece of strategy. Seers through the ages have
given the highest praise to those who have accomplished it."
I
complained that the idea of eradicating self-importance, although very
appealing to me at times, was really incomprehensible. I told him that I
found his directives for getting rid of it so vague I could not follow
them.
"I've said to you many times," he said, "that in order to
follow the path of knowledge, one has to be very imaginative. You see,
in the path of knowledge nothing is as clear as we'd like it to be."
"Warriors
fight self-importance as a matter of strategy, not principle," he
replied. "Your mistake is to understand what I say in terms of
morality."
"I see you as a highly moral man, don Juan," I insisted.
"You've noticed my impeccability, that's all," he said.
"Impeccability, as well as getting rid of self-importance, is too vague a concept to be of any value to me," I remarked.
Don Juan choked with laughter, and I challenged him to explain impeccability.
"Impeccability
is nothing else but the proper use of energy," he said. "My statements
have no inkling of morality. I've saved energy and that makes me
impeccable. To understand this, you have to save enough energy
yourself."
We were quiet for a long time. I wanted to think about what he had said. Suddenly, he started talking again.
"Warriors
take strategic inventories," he said. "They list everything they do.
Then they decide which of those things can be changed in order to allow
themselves a respite in terms of expending their energy."
MY COMMENT:
As
I read The Fire From Within I am realizing that everything don Juan
stated which I cannot personally verify I judge by the standards of how
interesting it is, not by whether or not it is true. As with all
mythologies, I feel the stories that carry the important lessons must be
interesting. That is more important than for the stories to be true. I
find the stories about the ancient Toltec seers to be very interesting.
Is it true? I don't know, but I do know it is interesting and the
narratives that lead to the importantly true knowledge that don Juan
shares are interesting, compelling and very well written.
These
lessons about self-importance are tremendously important to those who
truly want to better themselves. It stands to reason that they mean
nothing to those who care nothing about bettering themselves; and that
pretty much sums up the ways of the CC skeptics. They care nothing about
bettering themselves. They are always trying to find fault. It is the
fault finders in life that make life a miserable experience. They are
always looking for things to complain about. I consider such people to
be losers and only fools consistently associate with losers.
I am
determined to MAKE the best of don Juan's teachings, and those of
others, work to better my life. While you losers continue to nit pick I
will continue to become stronger and to advance. We'll see who has the
last laugh.
As far as laughter is concerned, one of the MAIN THINGS that still inspires me about don Juan was his ability to laugh at things that would make me frustrated. I've done my best to emulate don Juan in this and have had tremendous success! I am now much, much better at laughing at things that used to frustrate me and I also have greater control over my self-importance. Interesting to see the correlation between the two. It is logical to conclude that the less self-importance one has the easier it becomes to laugh at the frustrations and ironies of life.
I've also validated the don Juan concept of saving energy through impeccable thoughts, words, actions and reactions to life. Living an un-impeccable life is like continually driving through life in a car with tires that have slow leaks. It's difficult to get anywhere when your tires are continually going flat because they have slow leaks. You always have to expend extra energy refilling them. Life, at its best, is not this way. The true warrior does his best to fix all the slow leaks in his life through increasingly impeccable living. The more energy a warrior saves the more he can do and the Universe respects a warrior who truly respects himself.
The sloppy-minded, self-important weaklings who are always finding fault should never expect any great things from the Sentient Universe. Don Juan was indeed correct in that the Universe is Sentient, Conscious and Aware. I never remember him directly stating this, but it was always implied. That is why he lived his life directed by agreements from the world and by omens. These are the continual reminders that the Universe is indeed Sentient, Conscious and Aware.
((( THE NATURE OF REALITY ))) - scout1 - 10-25-2011
Lee Kuan Major Sacateca: ur mad bro )))
((( THE NATURE OF REALITY ))) - Genardo Sacateca - 10-25-2011
scout1 wrote:Lee Kuan Major Sacateca: ur mad bro )))
All the best people are
((( THE NATURE OF REALITY ))) - scout1 - 10-25-2011
yes, be crazy, but not insanely crazy..
((( THE NATURE OF REALITY ))) - scout1 - 10-25-2011
ridiculously crazy
((( THE NATURE OF REALITY ))) - Genardo Sacateca - 10-25-2011
This is what I get for responding to you. Keep up creating dumbass posts and I will complain to LoneWolf and your posts will disappear, jackass!!!
I try to be nice and you dumbass pieces of human **** just keep asking for trouble. Keep it up and you will indeed get trouble, ****!!
I've had trouble with you before. Remember what eventually happened?
Well, it's about to happen again!
((( THE NATURE OF REALITY ))) - scout1 - 10-25-2011
What happened ? Do not take anything personally, the first agreement.
I am not to troll here wanted to help you a bit maybe with a mirror.
((( THE NATURE OF REALITY ))) - scout1 - 10-25-2011
And now something to the forum topic...
"Castaneda" is dreaming teks, if you have not the lucid or sorceric dreaming capabilities, 100 % sure you are here like a crazy.. contemplate on it folks. "Castaneda" is a nowadays also a diagnosis.