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Lujan Matus - Absyllyon - 02-26-2015
lightsoul wrote:The hardest thing in the world
is for a warrior to let others be. The impeccability of a warrior is
to let them be and to support them in what they are. That means, of
course, that you trust them to be impeccable warriors themselves. If
they are not then it's your duty to be impeccable yourself and not
say a word. Only a sorcerer who sees and is formless can
afford to help anyone. Every effort to help on our part is an
arbitrary act guided by our own self-interest alone.""A warrior has no sympathy for anyone. To have sympathy means that you wish the other person to be like you, to be in your shoes, and you lend a hand just for that purpose. The hardest thing in the world is for a warrior to let others be. The impeccability of a warrior is to let them be and to support them in what they are. That means, of course, that you trust them to be impeccable warriors themselves. If they are not then it's your duty to be impeccable yourself and not say a word. Only a sorcerer who sees and is formless can afford to help anyone. Every effort to help on our part is an arbitrary act guided by our own self-interest alone"-DJ
During that time I felt no pity what-so-ever. Life and people were what they were. Neither did I pity myself. Of course I do now, otherwise I wouldn't have written this thread.
Obviously I am not impeccable by your standards. Your standards are irrelevant to me as they are yours. Mine are where they are with the energy I have on hand. You are quite welcome to help with your insight. Why quote another as though their credibility supersedes mine.
It is a fact that once one has stored enough energy via training ones attention one can choose to be impeccable if one wants to in fact it becomes the easiest thing in the world. One can choose by intuiting/listening to ones heart, instead of forcing it as though one is suddenly a righteous being. As I speak and state my truth I feel no impact or pain in my heart for what I say or write. What I say is what I see. This is my truth which I must speak. Surely you know about speaking your own truth.
Do you honestly say that only you can decide whether anothers' heart has distilled and weighed its emotional experience.
Really the hardest thing in the world is to see what a complete **** one is, to embrace that knowledge and wake up to how deep in the **** one is, and to take that knowledge and do something about it. Of course that doesn't mean trying not to be an ****...
Lujan Matus - Sacateca - 02-26-2015
I don't believe in 'The Gospel According to don Juan'. Pity is just fineas long as it automatically leads to actions of sympathy and/or compassion.
I believe one should, generally, treat all of life as a gesture to The Spirit
demonstrating how one wishes to be treated by The Spirit.
When I sometimes give a 20 dollar bill to a homeless person
I do so as a gesture to The Spirit; with tremendous gratitude
that I am not homeless and can afford to be generous with the less fortunate.
For a warrior, gestures of compassion are NOT done for the sake of the other person.
They are done as a demonstration to The Spirit of how we want to be treated.
The good we do tends to come back around eventually.
So does the bad, for that matter.
It's just when one sits around idly pitying oneself and humanity
that pity become energetically toxic.
I'll openly admit that I had to stop watching the daily news reports.
It seems the mainstream media DELIBERATELY wants us to pity others!
That's why they tend to report such pitiful stories!
I rarely watch the news anymore and when I finally do what do I see?
Different variations of the same old ****!
PEOPLE NEVER SEEM TO LEARN!!!!
They don't give a damn about me and my problems and guess what?
The feeling is now casually mutual. I'd say that's fair enough.
It keeps me out of depression so it works for me!
Lujan Matus - Genardo Sacateca - 02-26-2015
serloco wrote:I warn you not to even try once with memory charm, or you will be punished severely. I have made many memory charms and I am the one who knows how to use them. Just because you saw me use them does not give you the power to control them nor give them to others to control. You are banned from that ability.Do your memory charms make great suppositories. Try it and get back to me
Lujan Matus - Sacateca - 02-26-2015
serloco wrote:I warn you not to even try once with memory charm, or you will be punished severely. I have made many memory charms and I am the one who knows how to use them. Just because you saw me use them does not give you the power to control them nor give them to others to control. You are banned from that ability.Do your memory charms make great suppositories.Try it and get back to me
Lujan Matus - lightsoul - 02-26-2015
http://www.parallelperception.com/2015/ ... anism.html
Lujan Matus - lightsoul - 02-26-2015
Absyllyon said Theun Mares and some of his apprentices used to follow me around in
dreaming and pester me. On one occasion he actually ran and jumped at
me, flying through the air and diving straight into my thigh - just like
in the matrix movies, except this was before the first movie came out. I
used this method to eject him. I don't do it much anymore because it is
very taxing energetically.
The hardest thing in the world
is for a warrior to let others be. The impeccability of a warrior is
to let them be and to support them in what they are. That means, of
course, that you trust them to be impeccable warriors themselves. If
they are not then it's your duty to be impeccable yourself and not
say a word. Only a sorcerer who sees and is formless can
afford to help anyone. Every effort to help on our part is an
arbitrary act guided by our own self-interest alone."
"It doesn't matter what anybody says or does. You must be an
impeccable man yourself. The fight is right here in this chest. It
takes all the time and all the energy we have to conquer the idiocy
in us. And that's what matters. The rest is of no importance. To be
an impeccable warrior will give you vigor and youth and power.
I have taught you to be dispassionate. The world of people goes up
and down and people go up and down with their world; as sorcerers we
have no business following them in their ups and downs. The art of
sorcerers is to be outside everything and be unnoticeable. And more
than anything else, the art of sorcerers is never to waste their
power.
Lujan Matus - bit shiny - 02-26-2015
when no one hides is it nothing is hidden
what hides in crack between walls
what is the code of the warrior then in one place or the other
warriors is it ?
indulge here or there whats the difference then
who is holding the cards ?
throw them in the wind and bare your asses then who dares wins
time and infinity is on your side
shift or your sand will be shifted for you
who cares wins
and the other indulgence ?
indulging in not indulging
side to side
Lujan Matus - Absyllyon - 02-26-2015
lightsoul wrote:Absyllyon said Theun Mares and some of his apprentices used to follow me around in
dreaming and pester me. On one occasion he actually ran and jumped at
me, flying through the air and diving straight into my thigh - just like
in the matrix movies, except this was before the first movie came out. I
used this method to eject him. I don't do it much anymore because it is
very taxing energetically.
The hardest thing in the world
is for a warrior to let others be. The impeccability of a warrior is
to let them be and to support them in what they are. That means, of
course, that you trust them to be impeccable warriors themselves. If
they are not then it's your duty to be impeccable yourself and not
say a word. Only a sorcerer who sees and is formless can
afford to help anyone. Every effort to help on our part is an
arbitrary act guided by our own self-interest alone."
"It doesn't matter what anybody says or does. You must be an
impeccable man yourself. The fight is right here in this chest. It
takes all the time and all the energy we have to conquer the idiocy
in us. And that's what matters. The rest is of no importance. To be
an impeccable warrior will give you vigor and youth and power.
I have taught you to be dispassionate. The world of people goes up
and down and people go up and down with their world; as sorcerers we
have no business following them in their ups and downs. The art of
sorcerers is to be outside everything and be unnoticeable. And more
than anything else, the art of sorcerers is never to waste their
power.
Exactly Lujan or affiliate. The art of a sorcerer is to be outside of everything. How does a sorcerer accomplish that? A sorcerer must have developed a vehicle in which part of the sorcerers' awareness resides to truly be outside of everything.
Do you have a voice of your own?
Lujan Matus - Sacateca - 02-26-2015
CC's don Juan said that sorcery is a "dead-end street"
I agree!!
If the best you can conceive of is a don Juan world
it's no wonder you are all screwed up!!
Lujan Matus - Absyllyon - 02-27-2015
The 'wonder' is to see life from another vehicle; to be detached yet intrinsically part of the stream of life - that is wonder.
Lujan Matus - Genardo Sacateca - 02-27-2015
Absyllyon wrote:The 'wonder' is to see life from another vehicle; to be detached yet intrinsically part of the stream of life - that is wonder.This forum obviously has many people in it who have been injured by don Juan sorcery!
I do NOT believe in 'the gospel according to don Juan'
Lujan Matus - Sacateca - 02-27-2015
Absyllyon wrote:The 'wonder' is to see life from another vehicle; to be detached yet intrinsically part of the stream of life - that is wonder.This forum obviously has many people in it who have been injured by don Juan sorcery!
I do NOT believe in 'the gospel according to don Juan'
Lujan Matus - Senear - 02-27-2015
Sometimes it seems people go on and on about this guy. who cares. Hes just another meatbag, as the nagual bender might say. He has some organization, and developed a patented system. He has forums full of seekers, and those dreaming of being "seeked", and, naturally, needing to defend the relevance of that investment. Like anybody of any moderate spiritual attainment, he can project by virtue of other people embodying his concept and ascribing the events to him. He messed you over? That's probably you, you inner source touching fear. He healed your bunions? Again, probably your inner connection, and projecting onto that guy. Good or bad, a swooning presence or scary abuser, says more about the person in that moment, little about him, and little of actual importance beyond that inner context. sometimes i wonder, in general, and this includes me, if people really get it at all. There is room for collaboration and mutual growth, but any sort of guru good or bad, is actually the antithesis of supposedly what this is all about, and what one by all account should perceive if one looks hard enough, into the silence, without thought or belief of fear, what actually goes on. When it starts reading more like any conspiracy rant or "the big bad them", or a swooning proclamation of some great virtue or power, and worse yet, it actually seems that way on ones perception, its time for a serious reality check. Simple questions. What do i want? What do i think this is? what do i fear, and then check that against what one perceives, for a start.
Lujan Matus - lightsoul - 02-27-2015
http://sorcery.yuku.com/topic/6029/Deat ... PAmZ2Ys1Ko
That is some good solid advice. And with it the ego dies its thousand little deaths each day. Solid bullshit
Lujan Matus - Billy - 02-27-2015
'Sack a SEE' is prolific with words-- I came here without knowledge of nagual or sorcery, but wholesome. It took only the briefest glance to comprehend this entity is lacking humor and grace.
Lujan Matus - Billy - 02-27-2015
Absyllyon .... to see what a complete **** one is... that doesn't mean trying not to be an ****...
Of course it does (lol), THAT is what makes one a true ****.
You and I should listen to 'Sack a SEE,' then we could learn NOT to be idiots.
Lujan Matus - Billy - 02-27-2015
bit shiny wrote:when no one hides is it nothing is hidden
what hides in crack between walls
what is the code of the warrior then in one place or the other
warriors is it ?
indulge here or there whats the difference then
who is holding the cards ?
throw them in the wind and bare your asses then who dares wins
time and infinity is on your side
shift or your sand will be shifted for you
who cares wins
and the other indulgence ?
indulging in not indulging
side to side
Very nice colors!!
Lujan Matus - Billy - 02-27-2015
More positive Sacateca: There are some here that create THEIR OWN worlds (solely), and found grace to bridge the incongruity of other's WORLDS. Try this on, si vous plait.
Lujan Matus - Sacateca - 02-28-2015
Sacateca wrote:Absyllyon wrote:The 'wonder' is to see life from another vehicle; to be detached yet intrinsically part of the stream of life - that is wonder.This forum obviously has many people in it who have been injured by don Juan sorcery!
I do NOT believe in 'the gospel according to don Juan'
It's obvious that my trying to help you people is analogous
to pissing in the wind; for all the good it does
Lujan Matus - Absyllyon - 02-28-2015
Senear wrote:He messed you over?
Simple questions. What do i want? What do i think this is? what do i
fear, and then check that against what one perceives, for a start.
He messed me over and I allowed it. Probably the reason people go on is for the same reason people struggle to recover from been in a cult. Personally I am working on convincing myself to move on, to let it go, to stop been a victim. It is all a process in which one comes to new understandings, also it takes time to gather energy.
Lujan Matus - Absyllyon - 02-28-2015
Lightsoul: " Solid bullshit"
Narcisism
billy: "Absyllyon .... to see what a complete **** one is... that doesn't mean trying not to be an ****...
Of course it does (lol), THAT is what makes one a true ****."
LOL
Lujan Matus - Genardo Sacateca - 02-28-2015
Sacateca wrote:Absyllyon wrote:I am not interested in winning anyone over. I am convinced that it works through my own experience, and that is a enough for me. The point is that it generates feelings of remorse for the wrong way I have applied myself in life, which is a feeling I would avoid at all costs.Yes, I am not all-together sure that it is the best method either.I believe in focusing on what you want and letting the perceived bad proverbially 'dry' up and fall away on it's own. I don't believe in punishing myself for my perceived 'wrongs', I believe in motivating myself
with the good and wonderful things I choose to do.
If you are determined to punish yourself for your sins you might as well become a Catholic Benedickheaded cloistered monk in a monastery
supplied with your very own 'self-flogging' whip
That should straighten you out, right?
Just look what it does for the Catholic priests!!
The kids just love em!
The strong survive the weak tend to fade away and perish.
That's just the way it is whether don Juan agrees or not!
Lujan Matus - Absyllyon - 02-28-2015
Genardo Sacateca wrote:Sacateca wrote:Absyllyon wrote:I am not interested in winning anyone over. I am convinced that it works through my own experience, and that is a enough for me. The point is that it generates feelings of remorse for the wrong way I have applied myself in life, which is a feeling I would avoid at all costs.Yes, I am not all-together sure that it is the best method either.I believe in focusing on what you want and letting the perceived bad proverbially 'dry' up and fall away on it's own. I don't believe in punishing myself for my perceived 'wrongs', I believe in motivating myself
with the good and wonderful things I choose to do.
If you are determined to punish yourself for your sins you might as well become a Catholic Benedickheaded cloistered monk in a monastery
supplied with your very own 'self-flogging' whip
That should straighten you out, right?
Just look what it does for the Catholic priests!!
The kids just love em!
The strong survive the weak tend to fade away and perish.
That's just the way it is whether don Juan agrees or not!
That is ok. we will have to accept each others experience in this.
A narcissist will protect his self importance at all costs. The idea of dying everyday is something that is repugnant to them.In my experience killing off the ego leads to gratitude which leads to faith and service to life, to oneness with the one life.
Actually my leanings are more towards Gurdjieff.
Lujan Matus - Sacateca - 02-28-2015
Properly silencing the internal dialogue puts the ego on 'hold'
YOU NEED YOUR EGO to be able to get along and relate with everyone else's ego.
You can't 'KILL' your ego and be able to function within an ego-maniacal society
YOUR EGO IS WHAT MAKES YOU WHO YOU ARE IN SOCIETY
To have one's self-importance under control is to have one's ego under control
YOU NEED YOUR EGO AS A TOOL!!
You don't need your ego as a wild, uncontrollable proverbial horse
The solution is to 'tame the horse' NOT KILL IT!!!
Lujan Matus - Absyllyon - 02-28-2015
I get that, understand that. Yes, the ego is needed in its form as a tamed 'horse'. Don't misunderstand me; I am not trying to kill myself or that which is good in me. I am generating gratitude.The ID cannot be silenced. Some awareness must reside in another vehicle to be silent.
Anyway we will go on disagreeing about these things.