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billy's basic detachment practice - Billy - 05-27-2015
REASON starts by having this idea of detachment, and paying attention to body,
feeling, and worldly manifestation as one entity.
HOW I detach: I recognize my self-import, my own heaviness. I notice constricted
breathing, any pangs of body, or operative descriptions such as "I deserve better."
This attention is reason's handle on the controls. REASON knows it is better to move from
resentments to a more impersonal self, and does. Immediately there is a serene sense
of richer, more powerful being.
(At first) REASON needs to identify the state of perception, and reduce it. The feelings
and associative thoughts are brought to explicit clarity, then objectified in a word, for
example 'hatred,' 'jealousy,' 'fear,' etc.
REASON says, "Yes." {I know what this is. (Because, it does)}
REASON takes hold of the emotion to be absorbed into the whole of consciousness. Reason reclaims power.
{I specifically focus on the concept, and at the point of letting go inwardly.}
When my feeling disappears into wholeness as described, REASON begins to
understand that feelings, situations, or bodily sensations do not trump my presence as
a whole person.
Dismissing a feeling by virtue of said detachment, relegates it to a value of zero
Eventually, REASON gets that sets of emotions are likewise relegated (0 + 0 = 0), when
you want them to be.
Through practice and understanding, REASON will detach without these mechanics.
Perceptual extensions from ego and self-reflection continue, but without weight.
*REASON simply knows that most phenomena are silly and useless. THIS is key, and the
following is part of it:
There will be many subtle and natural connections where ego comes to the fore with
surprising weight. REASON is to understand this dynamic, see it as okay. The strong
emotions have scope; but REASON brings PAUSE. This is a definitive moment, as an
engineer (reason) stops a train (ego). Nothing is unclear to REASON about flipping that
switch. REASON does it. No matter how many tens of seconds pass before the last
feeling, the caboose stops. REASON trusts itself, and holds to the clarity of its
qualitative state that is WHOLENESS.
billy's basic detachment practice - Billy - 05-27-2015
That is detachment 101. If you are past this level, I can tell you why and how I use the habit of detachment proactively.
billy's basic detachment practice - serloco - 05-27-2015
I think i am preety good at detachment there billy.. Mr. Tonal fixation.. Detachment for me is also to trust the nagual, to trust the intent of the body and beyond that which reason an reason. To know detachment is for me also to simply intend to know detachment, and let the body automatically, seemingly magically discover it for you then you find yoursef being detached to everythign in your world incuding detaching form your old feelings. It becomes on a level of feelings, a self awareness cut off valve or even better total detachment fro even having feelings.. For myself abandon and detachment go hand in hand, to fixated to any outcome and yet winning the outcome you want automatically with choice.
Btw, I dont mean to cut you up Mr. Tonal (my sweet side for you) becaue what you say is great and true, just expanding on it into the nagual a lil. You can intend indeed beyond what reason has crafted and thought out for you, but indeed reason ca be a good freind as well, as you have made it into.
billy's basic detachment practice - Guest - 05-27-2015
thanks billy, i enjoyed this..also made me read some castaneda stuff
from fire from within"The second attention, on the other hand, is a more complex and specialized state of the glow of awareness. It has to do with the unknown. It comes about when unused emanations inside man's cocoon are utilized.
"The reason I called the second attention specialized is that in order to utilize those unused emanations, one needs uncommon, elaborate tactics that require supreme discipline and concentration."He said that he had told me before, when he was teaching me the art of dreaming, that the concentration needed to be aware that one is having a dream is the forerunner of the second attention. That concentration is a form of consciousness that is not in the same category as the consciousness needed to deal with the daily world.----
"Only a feeling of supreme sobriety can bridge the contradictions," he said."Could you say, don Juan, that art is that bridge?""You may call the bridge between contradictions anything you want - art, affection, sobriety,love, or even kindness."Don Juan continued his explanation and said that in examining the first attention, the new seers realized that all organic beings, except man, quiet down their agitated trapped emanations so that those emanations can align themselves with their matching ones outside. Human beings do not do that; instead, their first attention takes an inventory of the Eagle's emanations inside theircocoons."What is an inventory, don Juan?" I asked."Human beings take notice of the emanations they have inside their cocoons," he replied. "No other creatures do that. The moment the pressure from the emanations at large fixates the emanations inside, the first attention begins to watch itself. It notes everything about itself, or at least it tries to, in whatever aberrant ways it can. This is the process seers call taking an inventory."I don't mean to say that human beings choose to take an inventory, or that they can refuse to take it. To take an inventory is the Eagle's command. What is subject to volition, however, is the manner in which the command is obeyed."He said that although he disliked calling the emanations commands, that is what they are: commands that no one can disobey. Yet the way out of obeying the commands is in obeying them."In the case of the inventory of the first attention," he went on, "seers take it, for they can't disobey. But once they have taken it they throw it away. The Eagle doesn't command us to worship our inventory; it commands us to take it, that's all.""How do seers see that man takes an inventory?" I asked."The emanations inside the cocoon of man are not quieted down for purposes of matching them with those outside," he replied. "This is evident after seeing what other creatures do. On quieting down, some of them actually merge themselves with the emanations at large and move with them. Seers can see, for instance, the light of the scarabs' emanations expanding to great size."But human beings quiet down their emanations and then reflect on them. The emanations focus on themselves."He said that human beings carry the command of taking an inventory to its logical extreme and disregard everything else. Once they are deeply involved in the inventory, two things may happen. They may ignore the impulses of the emanations at large, or they may use them in a very specialized way.The end result of ignoring those impulses after taking an inventory is a unique state known as reason. The result of using every impulse in a specialized way is known as self-absorption. Human reason appears to a seer as an unusually homogeneous dull glow that rarely if ever responds to the constant pressure from the emanations at large - a glow that makes the egglike shell become tougher, but more brittle.Don Juan remarked that reason in the human species should be bountiful, but that in actuality it is very rare. The majority of human beings turn to self-absorption.He asserted that the awareness of all living beings has a degree of self-reflection in order for them to interact. But none except man's first attention has such a degree of self-absorption.Contrary to men of reason, who ignore the impulse of the emanations at large, the self-absorbed individuals use every impulse and turn them all into a force to stir the trapped emanations inside their cocoons.Observing all this, seers arrived at a practical conclusion. They saw that men of reason are bound to live longer, because by disregarding the impulse of the emanations at large, they quiet down the natural agitation inside their cocoons. The self-absorbed individuals, on the other hand, by using the impulse of the emanations at large to create more agitation, shorten their lives.
billy's basic detachment practice - Billy - 05-27-2015
Mr. billy Tonal-- so, when detachment became habit (detachment 102), one by one I allowed 'horrible' states to take root just so as to become invulnerable to the conditional. Here reason did abandon > and relegate detachment and self-trust to obscurity (despair and 'dark night of the soul' were two of such states I refer to here).
And then still, it was the unconcocted 'reality' of my wife with divorce papers in hand rejecting me that brought to bear the value of detachment. Amazingly, my own consciousness followed suit that night and screamed contemptuously at me "LOSER!!!!"
The next morning, with my own deep-seated self-condemnation and wife's abandonment strikingly poignant, I shook with fear. Each moment I approached my need of detachment, the adrenalin overwhelmed any attempt to gather confidence. THIS was REJECTION big-time. I gained a couple strands of rememberance that detachment works, understood that SELF-composure was not possible because THAT SELF was rejected or was rejecting me. I had no idea WHAT I was, and the body shook, and all of EVERYTHING became subsumed under REJECTION STATE. Reason SAW THAT, and in a miraculous moment my body took in a momentus hit (especially to the gut) in what was an automated detachment.
I was instantaneously PROFOUNDLY transformed to a super-state of energetic WHOLENESS. {Oh, and it affected everything--instead of marital dissolution my wife..... > use imagination lol}
Born out of recap, my favorite and most 'productive' effort was a hard hitting 'try' at self-hatred and shame, and total negation. I did not find any self-hatred or shame (my shame is shameless), {GXXXD knows I fucking beat the **** out of myself until emanations from emptiness arrived to finish the job} The underlying foundation and peace from emptiness experience allows me to engage Mr. sorcerer XXXXXXX with impunity, though he has untold power, Ha Ha Ha.
(someday, I will disclose the wonderous manifestations derived from s)
something fairly unique--I write ostentateously not when life's conditions are optimum, but oppositely. I make it a point to advise others when 'conventionally' deficient. Don't tell me about doing things from the 'top.' Tell me about such when you are in the sewer. (also, transitions/others > I much prefer wisdom from heart in own heart's words....yes, sometimes a quote conveys > but please SEE if your heart own's it now)
I read an autobiography (Waking) about a boy in adolescence who has an accident and rendered parplegic. People who write self-help advice should ask if they could offer to this person with a straight face.
Hey, what do you call a quadriplegic thrown in the lake?
Bob
billy's basic detachment practice - Billy - 06-06-2015
So why detachment? Well, for most, life often sucks {not mine (smile)}.
Gaawd fucked you up. She/he/IT is venemous and hostile generally--and that trait existed before the human species evolved. I presume even reptiles suffer when eaten alive.
I don't take on the onus as creator (myself as solipsist or/and GOD). I DO wish to disassociate. *Note organism's essential propensity for separation and duality in existence here (AND just the way I like it-lol).
(bottom line here) I modified the downside (try me).
billy's basic detachment practice - serloco - 06-06-2015
Billy billy billy.. I thught you read my post about animals.. You have to take control of their forms and how they act and react.. Like the Crocodiles. God said to Adam not to eat the fruit of good and bad, evil in particular. Your knowledge reeks of evil within it, and it has been handed down to you as well.. When you learn to take control of the names you give animals you will see the magic and the choice god has given you to use. Yes, God said to Adam to name the animals and so Adam did, but when you listen to the snake's knowledge then you paint the world in the images brought to you by the snake. I know you dont like the Biblical terminology but keep in mind we have a choice, a controlled folly, and now do not need to listen to the old world values, especially when it comes to animals.
billy's basic detachment practice - serloco - 06-06-2015
I remember once i was walking with a human down the street. I had made friends with him off the streets and he started whipping his dog violently with his leash. I did not know what to do without causing this man to fight and so I realized that animals need not even feel pain if I accepted this new form of knowledge. QUickly i applied it to the dog and watched as he smiled at being whipped and began to enjoy it.. I had thought do animals really need to feel pain at all?? The nagual here brought a gift to me and my animals that day, as well s empowering e on the road to witnessing magical forms of animals. The dog embraced the whipping as if it were attention from his master.
billy's basic detachment practice - Billy - 06-06-2015
serloco wrote:Billy billy billy.. when you listen to the snake's knowledge then you paint the world in the images brought to you by the snake. I know you dont like the Biblical terminology but keep in mind we have a choice, a controlled folly, and now do not need to listen to the old world values, especially when it comes to animals.
billy
Well, I thought sincerely my posts were for others......then lo and behold-- I realized I was talking to you. Dear serloco, I like images brought to me by the snake. I thought we both liked getting dirty and in the worldly sewer with snakes. As for your friend whipping the dog..... I would truly like to beat the **** out of him.
Are you ready to have some edgy fun?? It scares me to think of losing, yet one learns to hold the tension of energy until it's useful like clay. It's all about THAT --don't you know? I learned that earlier on. You are master there.
With admiration and affection, i tell you s. you are astounding---I've come to PLAY. love you
ADD: I noticed you shied away from the state of shame as an ally. You said you surely loved depression (could embrace it's TASTE), but implied not so with shame. That points to your own obligation to avoid its suchness as if it were torture. You tame crocodiles, but not your own shame??
Let me clarify--I'm not a wussy. I have enough self-confidence and competitiveness to suit the measures of societal manliness. I became 'vulnerable' to being torn down by my own designs because I could. I SAW the advantages.
billy's basic detachment practice - Billy - 06-07-2015
SEE: shame is the gold standard for negative perception and emotion. When you don't acquiesce to that as integral to wholeness, you are delusional. If you want authenticity..... ....
billy's basic detachment practice - Billy - 06-07-2015
transitions...an inventory...human beings take notice of the emanations {>} commands that no one can disobey. Yet the way out of obeying the commands is in obeying them...seers take it {inventory}, for they can't disobey. But once they have taken it they throw it away...
billy
It's fair to say this equates to my overview of detachment.
billy's basic detachment practice - Billy - 06-07-2015
transitions-- the challenge is when the emanations are with negative connotations and become echoes in self-absorption. Resistance is counterproductive here.
What allows me to accept what is unsavory to you? Without first accepting the inauspicious commands, all the reason and nagual philosophy in the universe is compromised. You are unable to disown (throw away) the emanations.
Isn't that right?
I can accept virtually ANY command. It is unlikely that this is true for most here. {important aspect for pathway clearance}
billy's basic detachment practice - serloco - 06-07-2015
Well billy I have had shame and it was useful.. I did not enjoy it for it was brought on by my mistakes and my evil actions and led me to a higher road. It made me seek out forgiveness both self and of others.. I can not say I do not tame my shame tho for it has its purpose in my tonal i just do not relish it..
Indeed billy the fruit of the snake can be quite tasty indeed however the negative fruits of destruction are not often added into my inventory. This includes many forms of 'danger' and destructive judgments of any kind.
Much love to you too billy, as always.
Btw i enjoyed your counter arguement..
billy's basic detachment practice - serloco - 06-07-2015
I already responded darn it.. It too it away..
Yeah billy I enjoy the snake's food too as you know, but when it comes to destructive forms of knowledge i take a pass. This includes many sciences and dangers like the animals and the predatory universe.. I just learned to see beyond that place and into my own.
I wouldnt say i didnt tame my shame.. It has its purpose for me.. makes me humble and makes me regret my wrong doings.. Leads me to be forgiven in myself and in others. I just do not relish it...
Much love to you billy. as always..
i enjoyed your counter debate too..lol
billy's basic detachment practice - serloco - 06-07-2015
it wont show my last post unless i redo my post...
billy's basic detachment practice - Guest - 06-07-2015
billy says : the challenge is when the emanations are with negative
connotations and become echoes in self-absorption. Resistance is
counterproductive here.
What allows me to accept what is unsavory to you? Without first
accepting the inauspicious commands, all the reason and nagual
philosophy in the universe is compromised. You are unable to disown
(throw away) the emanations.
Isn't that right?
I can accept virtually ANY command. It is unlikely that this is true for most here. {important aspect for pathway clearance}
yes, theres some stuff in zen that helped me transmute negativity, turning the 'weeds into nourishment for the mind' is the essence, from suzuki's zen mind beginnners mind... there is a state where the negativity is transmuted and becomes 'nourishment', it is felt and times i have done this has felt like a piece of heaven or the abstract brought into my world, yes it is a challenge as you say, turning negativity round is difficult for me, and i indulge in all kinds of self pity, its gettin easier tho .. yes this is something i deal with on a regular day, as im out of work and i hate it, i see it is futile and must accept my position, embrace poverty etc, so i will bring fluidity to my hunting and my view of the world and secure something quickly..it is fun sorcerer stuff, and serloco's teaching of the mirror in the water is relevant, to use fluidity and change the reflection to something else..
i have been working with efficiency in dealing with the emanations as detached, not responding in any way positive or negative, letting words fall where they may, yes resistance is counterproductive..i see the void as important here, to send the negative ones there, transmuting them..
billy's basic detachment practice - Billy - 06-08-2015
transitions wrote:...letting words {code for experiences} fall where they may...i see the void as important here, to send the negative ones there, transmuting them..
Perfect!
serloco, I confuse you with words. Shame is not a public matter, nor a corrector of bad behavior; its premise is in separation from 'world.' To be phenomenologically exact, shame is awareness of futile isolation.
True perception that one cannot meaningfully belong is not the core issue. Attuning to shame {futile isolation} is the tell-all> one cannot meaningfully be. (period)
I had no conscious cues about shame, until 45 years after some of its core manifestations as a boy. {In adult life I exceeded common self-esteem criteria} Then a few years ago a marital challenge led to unwitting RECAPITULATION as I wrote a researched autobiography to keep my sanity. I could go very deep into evolutionary and existential millieu of shame which I learned about.
I am saying that in privacy you can use your overt manifestations of shame to attune to (access) the phenomenological core. Initially, it is an imposing venture here, and confronts all facets of self-esteem. It is fucking necessary as I SEE it to intend to SEE one's dark, empty meaningless void.
Each time I stirred a sense of my worthlessness and effectively moved through shame's portals in attempted negation > the greater my peace, the greater my SELF.
One of the unintentional aspects was a heightening of my sexuality. Oh yeah, life is profoundly sexual.
What do you call a paraplegic thrown in the roadside ditch?
Phil
billy's basic detachment practice - Billy - 06-09-2015
one cannot meaningfully be. (period) serloco says I'm morbid It seems a cliche, but the journey to the place truthfully barren is how one finds Gaaawd. Oh serloco, I can't help it --piss on God (laughing).
ADD: Jesus Christ, I hope I'm not making you cross.
Derek, who needs God when I have you to intercede? I am being serious now > thank you for everything.
I'll erase this post in a day or two.
billy's basic detachment practice - Billy - 06-13-2015
I have a bent towards sensational withdrawal/shame as a precursor to detachment. I explain how I initially detached from 'negative' emotions and mind-states, but I recognized this was only a seed.
Separation from mind's thoughts and manifestations does not flourish without intent to cultivate further. What good is random detachment?
When you get preeety good at detachment, you want it to permeate moment to moment living. What grounds the practice?
The profoundly deeper ground of self-annihilation sessions bring understanding that I desire detachment from ALL experiences and mind-states--not just 'negative' ones. The value of detachments afterward are seen with clarity because my SELF-presence abounds. The rememberance of internal emptiness prevails over external clutter.
Illuminating words in quiet continue to fail in reality's harsher environments because wisdom absorbed is not a living knowledge. Many situations consume, and one falls back to wanting whatever conditions to be different than they are. THIS is a horrible habit!! It enslaves you to the conditional and 'you' are defined by whatever moments arise. SELF-awareness needs to prevail.
billy's basic detachment practice - serloco - 06-13-2015
Much love to you billy....
billy's basic detachment practice - Billy - 06-15-2015
Putting aside self-negation machinations, at least I do not want to concern myself with what imagery others may project. I only have self-respect literally.
Suppose I adhere to a universal consciousness concept (which I don't), then isn't my inclusion representing the wholeness also? So, whatever goes is mine.
I don't exclude the putrid aspects. I don't acquiesce there in consideration of otherness; I accept 'whatever' because it is essentially me. Yes, I am talking to myself (grinning).
I am saying, I learned not to care what you think; then I learned not to care what I think. I mean, the putrid dereliction is as much me as any other part in a fucked up world. It is fucked up; is it not?
Yep that's me.
I moved past my need of habitual self-negation practice, because I am fully versatile, cool, and wholesome. I'm putting this out per chance someone else actually exists out there to share the prospect of happiness. I-m okie dokie dokie.
billy's basic detachment practice - serloco - 06-15-2015
It is everything billy, every possible outcome, all stemming from this very moment now. It is a fucked up world and it is also not one. Detachment from the fucked up world and a new intent and shifting perception is in order I believe. You CAN control the world billy, and as don juan says you get to apoint where even the most far fetched schemes become possible and not only that but happen. Control the force of your perception billy, and detach from your old world views to experience a new alignment, a new order from the void. Not saying i have not seen that the world is fucked up, but i also see that saying that it is fucked up submits and agrees to this alignment, this dimension.
billy's basic detachment practice - Billy - 06-15-2015
What you say is true, and I am moving in the fluidity with you. You have a problem with the world being fucked up? LAUGH-What book of yours says I should want 'a NOT fucked up world'? You change it because you think you should. Is that your judgement of good and bad going on?
I'll keep it so, because I can do happy with indifference as concerns energetic form. Maybe you work too fucking hard being a moving agency.
Let me tell you though--I'm being facetious. I pay attention to you-- you bring it--
...and you bring it at the right time, the right way
billy's basic detachment practice - Billy - 06-15-2015
Eeeek-yuk-eeeh-Gaaawd > love you too
billy's basic detachment practice - serloco - 06-15-2015
Yes billy i have judgement of good and bad. We all do mostly. i have lost it at one time but this did not stop destructive forms of knowledge from entering my world. As always there is a life giving and life taking away energy, and I think solutions and striving to best form of reality is always in order. Yes it is my choice from experience from living in fucked up worlds, and being the king of my own reality and way that has made this choice.