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The Balance of the tonal and nagual - serloco - 03-25-2017
The unknown is just that, the unknown. We may know very little of its vast quality. However it is crucial to have what you know of the unknown compliment the nagual. What I mean is if you are aware that the unknown is scary then what you know makes it scary. If you are aware of the perfection that exists in the unknown then you meet that perfection. Indeed what you know beckons the forms and the pathway through the unknown. You must control what you know of the unknown in order to beckon that which suits you and serves you. There is a lot in the unknown that one would not wish to discover. Therefor you must condition your tonal to work well with the nagual. Indeed what you know of the nagual can be either a blessing or a disaster. I like to sit and command and bless my unknown. Make it a friend of mine that serves me, protects me and guides me to friendly waters, secrets I would enjoy and seek. Indeed the unknown can be made into any form and way. So next time you face the unknown be ready to use what you know of it, control what you know of it, in order to serve your needs and desires.
The Balance of the tonal and nagual - serloco - 03-25-2017
Trust is a powerful force that deals with the unknown. Indeed we stand naked before the nagual, we leave our old self behind and must trust in it. Trust, much like faith, can bring you exactly what you need and seek, even beyond your wildest dreams. You may not even know what it is you seek and yet the vast unknown knows everything before you even know yourself.
The Balance of the tonal and nagual - serloco - 03-25-2017
The Balance of the tonal and nagual - rosygyro - 03-26-2017
nagual unknowablefemale unknown
male known
tonal-manifest and coming into manifestation.
nagual premanifest and that coming into manifestation
subjective
objective
corporeal.
warrior
hunter
nagual man.
spear of destiny
its origin, its current corporeal position and its destiny.
destiny- nagual jewel 2
sword of power- its origin, its current corporeal position and its destiny.
destiny- nagual jewel
THE OTHER
The Balance of the tonal and nagual - glance left - 03-26-2017
In personal experience, there seems to be this capacity to subtly fluctuate between the nagual and the tonal....of expansion and contraction....of focusing attention and releasing into spaciousness. It's like breathing...intending and then releasing intention.
How do you know which way to throw the spear of destiny?
The Balance of the tonal and nagual - serloco - 03-26-2017
Freedom baby, is my direction. Is there any other choice?
The Balance of the tonal and nagual - rosygyro - 03-27-2017
The nagual is the nothing that precedes the manifestation of the tonal.
the tonal is the known and the world of the already manifest.
If you notice things occur in patterns - time ticking, seasons rotating etc..then to a certain extent
you are calculating manifestation and would assume that as such you have pinned the nagual
as it precedes the manifested universe.
WRONG.
The problem with social conditioning is that it too is a calculation of the unfolding of events
social conditioning itself a block to manifestation of freedom in terms of energy.
social conditioning is the KNOWN.
you cannot unlearn hat you have learned..
the nagual as it precedes manifestation
when it accomodates your worldview and what you have learned
is not touching those areas of your life which remain in stability.
In this way the KNOWN is the enemy of the UNKNOWABLE.
the KNOWN is the scar tissue that masks lost innocence as if it was masking your own "recapitulated" infant flesh.
In order to aquiesece to the nagual we must enter the band of man termed THE SUBJECTIVE.
social conditioning is the portion of your being which cannot become subjective as it is too inflexible.
known patterns are also inflexible before the unknowable.
At some point we have to realise that when our knowledge is secure
we are not in the subjective band
and are not accessing the unknowable/
The Balance of the tonal and nagual - serloco - 03-27-2017
The nagual is vast and is not ''nothing'' at all. It is more accurately everything else aside from the known. Just because it has no form in your tonal doesnt mean it is nothing. It doesny even mean it is not manifest, it is erely outside of your known awareness.
You can indeed unlearn social conditioning. There are no limits to what we can do.
The Balance of the tonal and nagual - rosygyro - 03-27-2017
Throwing the spear of destiny.
Subjective
objective
corporeal.
I have pretty much always believed that the spear of destiny is not lost or forgotten
but is actually SPLIT.
The sorcerers world is split. north,matter, east =future, west-past. south- energy,
the spear is split so as to still be formed outside the CORPOREAL
that is to say it is partly in the other two great bands.
the subjective and the objective.
the two parts of the spear fringe apon our world at the fringes of the corporeal
at the east and west.
the past and future.
one half of the spear is beyond recapitulation in the passed.)the westerly tonal)
the other beyond potential energy in the pre-manifest (the easterly nagual).
...............
every single human being has both a personal history, recapitulation quotient
s well as a potential intent.
as such they have semi formed spears of destiny.
8 billion humans have 8 billion pasts and 8 billion potentials
BUT the acts of will creates eneregtic attchment between each others attributes
meaning westerly people have their butt of spear but no point
and easterly have the point but no butt.
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throwing the spear of destiny is actually an act of being able to be immpeccable about the two extremes of your being.
as you walk the earth it flies.
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THE SWORD OF POWER.
.
consider a teardrop shaped aerodynamic car in a wind tunnel
and see that the sword curves around its shape like the air moves over its form
....
except that as a person who is the thrown spear.
the sword demarcates the flow of power over your being as it moves.
.........................
The Balance of the tonal and nagual - rosygyro - 03-27-2017
serloco wrote:The nagual is vast and is not ''nothing'' at all. It is more accurately everything else aside from the known. Just because it has no form in your tonal doesnt mean it is nothing. It doesny even mean it is not manifest, it is erely outside of your known awareness.
You can indeed unlearn social conditioning. There are no limits to what we can do. we see TONAL around us in the form of other people. we have desires for material things others possess that we do not have.
these things we do not have are the OTHER.
The other is everything else aside from the known.
everything else except that we have.
outside the known is the OTHER.
using the other and accessing the nagual are different.
the other can be formless, inperceptible, seem like nothing.
or the other can give birth to forms, perception and things for our tonals.
the nagual is not a vending machine.
The Balance of the tonal and nagual - rosygyro - 03-27-2017
The Balance of the tonal and nagual - serloco - 03-27-2017
The tonal is everything we know, not just people. Everything you have and want are within the tonal if they have a definition, an inventory. Sure you can want from the nagual too, but this is not definitive to us for we do not know what it is. Things that other people have that you want are still items on the isle of the tonal. ITS EVERYTHING YOU KNOW OF. People are also part of the nagual since you do not know everything about people.
The Balance of the tonal and nagual - rosygyro - 03-28-2017
ok the tonal is the known.
i wasnt really at any odds with that fact.
the OTHER is every-THING outside the tonal.
the nagual is no-THING.
The Balance of the tonal and nagual - rosygyro - 03-28-2017
social conditioning is made of the known,,, is made of things..
the other can destoy social conditioning just as one thing can destroy another
but it is only when the no-thing is revealed that it can be termed erasure of personal history.
The Balance of the tonal and nagual - serloco - 03-28-2017
No, everything outside the tonal is the nagual. The nagual is something, not nothing. Everything you dont know is still something, you just dont know of it yet.
The Balance of the tonal and nagual - rosygyro - 03-28-2017
original thought can be ciultivated within a tonal over time.It is not the nagual...
can also never be known by another?
how would you demarcate private tonal?
would you say there is a purpose for privacy of knowledge?
should assemblage positions be available through fluidity
even if those positions were found through trial.?
should performance enhancing drugs be allowed in competitive sports?
The Balance of the tonal and nagual - rosygyro - 03-28-2017
energetic attachment is a crime against fluiditythe rights to fluidity of all ensnared by it.
would you say there is also a criminal energetics
n use by using fluidity in an unimpeccable manner?
The Balance of the tonal and nagual - serloco - 03-29-2017
Original thought is indeed that nagual if you have not known of those thoughts before hand. Original thought is indeed unknown.
Sure orignial thought can be known by another. What of seers? Telepaths?
Yes privacy exists. Shields exist. You can indeed hide from even a pure awareness. You can share what you want and deny what you want as well. You must be able to make an infinite choice.
Yes I think privacy of knowledge is not only possible but needed. God says do not give your precious food to dogs, for they will eat it all up and devour you right after. This lesson was hard for me to learn. I trusted everyone. Nowadays I see that all my power and gifts are not for everyone.
Sure, positions are found through fluidity. That seems obvious to me.
I think whatever makes you better you should do and use. However i think one should never curse nor judge things as being bad for you, or wrong.
Judge not your world or you shall live within those judgements. Bless your world to the highest degree possible. I remember back in the day i lived y world in a average habitual manner. I spent years stalking people and raising their awareness and my own. I would practice on people every day. Shifting them into something higher. One day I realized that people are merely a position of awareness and nothing more. The existed in my awareness of them. So that day I decided to call people impeccable. Previously they were as don Juan stated, self-important and evil black magic conjurerers. The day I blessed my people was the day I broke free of my past judgements. Learning to let go of old judgements and learning to control those judgements is the key to sorcery. The same appies to allies. I used to judge them as wanting my emotional energies. my fear and my love. Sure enough thats what they did. They would make me fear and make me love. They fed off of it because my awareness told them to. WHen I saw this I decided to change this behavior. I said next that allies want powerful knowledge. They want good awareness. Sure enough the allies started making good knowledge and powerful awareness. IN myself and in themselves. It goes to show that controlled folly is anything you want. Allies and people, and the whole world is merely a decision to make. You have the power to believe in what you want to believe in and make that belief real. It is YOUR awareness of the world and everything in it that makes it so. You are the generator.
The Balance of the tonal and nagual - rosygyro - 03-29-2017
when the orld was full of black magic conjurors, wrathful dimensional demi-gods, demons in human form..you will have foundyourself pierced by energetic barbs.
the only way to get of the barbs was to question yourself deeper than even the demon could stalk.. correct?
apon being able to shift the focus so "peoples" untrained power no longer riddled you
do you ever miss it?
i sometimes feel like the natural enemy "sobriety" is the "Midas touch"
The Balance of the tonal and nagual - serloco - 03-29-2017
Well I once lived in a dimension with black magicians as humans. They constantly tried to command evil into the world. It was a constant battle to keep my dimension clean.
When I worked with demons it was brutal. I had to become evil and had to become the worst in order to beat them. In the end I tricked them all. However it is wise not to believe in demons and Satan as well. The moment i stopped believing in them was the moment they all fell. They lost their forms.
I dont know what you mean by "barbs"?
Yes I do miss people of power in my dimension. However I have once againbeen placing power back into their hands. I work for my people, to protect and enlighten them. However sometimes it seems they are much larger then myself. Its when you realize that you know nothing that you have much more to learn.
The Balance of the tonal and nagual - rosygyro - 03-29-2017
It seems to me that the dimension of the warrior.or the dimension of witnessing horror in the form of overempowered ordinary folk.
is a beautiful prison or teaching arena that should be bought to birth in a number of people lives.
fear and self protection are very basic human needs/desires.
and just as a metal shield can protect a man from an arrow
it can also be picked up by another to protect him from a similar arrow.
I appreciate that you found a way to shield yourself
i do however feel that you should encode your shield so that those who need
to awaken to the warriors path cannot remain in slumber
such slumbers allow men to think of committing terroristic acts rather than falling to their knees. etc.
Back to private knowledge..
the shield you made you earned.
I am all for you granting its template to innocent people
who if awakened would suffer catastrophic emotional and psychological harm.
but there are those, greedy, selfish, nasty, blind and arrogant power greedy fools
who will claim a shield from the cosmos even though they have much to learn in warriorship without one.
HOW.
The Balance of the tonal and nagual - serloco - 03-31-2017
I sh1t you not, Rosy, that those negative judgements you carry, like the one about people doing terrorist acts, can be shifted into another form. Then your intent will no longer uphold and sustain those actions in people. Its all about the awareness you possess. Shift the negatives into solutions.
The Balance of the tonal and nagual - rosygyro - 03-31-2017
i cannot deny any human the right to full energy.Unlike you when i met the demons , magicians etc..
i did not use my sorcerers will to shift my assemblage point.
I chose a very northerly action and identified with the position i was in,
the hope being to wear it out until it was as worn as me.
as such when it comes to using the sorcerers world to tackle the cocoon
of the evil and the stupid, i have no "lateral awarnesness"
I have very seldom done any shield work and have always been tempted to disempower
the power within my own anger ,when it vents.
an empty vessel of impotent rage-making the loudest noise.
point- because i have not fixed my awarness on beings in my periphery
then propelled or banished them in any way.
now that they are no longer demons.. what they are is life.
ethicly i cannot sever anyone from life energy in any way.
the ancient curse " may you live in interesting times"
is to me a curse which will have your life energy increased.
somewhat distorted by own underlying intent.
the world of the beast is real
the beast has two potentials
the resistence of dark jewel use will act like a beacon
the totality will become fixed on retrogressive life energy
minus a little something
that something doesnt exist.
the spear of destiny is potential
i hear life is within the corporeal.
i hear they incubate chickens in shrinkwrap/clingfilm
no shell nessicary.
The Balance of the tonal and nagual - glance left - 03-31-2017
"you cannot unlearn hat you have learned..
the nagual as it precedes manifestation"
Maybe. What I know is that "hat" becomes a lot less hat-like while gazing upon it without interjection from the dialog. It snaps back into character once the gaze is averted, but still..........upon gazing amidst silence, something bleeds through up from beneath the hat-like form...and that something is I-don't-know-what.
I've no desire to transform anything into anything else. I just want to see/feel what cruising beneath the superficial state of things. It's there, to be sure....and the only way I know to apprehend it is to diffuse through superficialities amidst silence. Gazing is good for this, so far. I sit still to do it. I haven't figured out how to gaze while up and about. I'm too involved with the known, at that point.
The Balance of the tonal and nagual - glance left - 03-31-2017
"The spear of destiny is potential"
So I guess, as such, it flings itself impeccably of its own accord....as long as I stay ensconced within that potential...which is inherent in the moment.