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Harvesting - Nagual LoneWolf - 04-04-2012
Per Syd refers to harvesting fabric/luminosity of a human's awareness, a technique used by the Tenant and taught to Nagual Women. This is done mainly to those who have a small or no chance to reach the eagle or have already suffered the eagle's blow which disconnected them from their double. Another type of harvesting Per Syd has referenced is that of the double. This can only be performed by naguals beings, allies and other types of inorganic beings. Harvesting doubles is done to create coats of awareness which was eaten from many years by the foreign installation, the nagual uses the coat to become immune to the eagle's pull and puts it on when the time to shift is happening. This of course is very advanced nagual teaching and practiced in warrior groups once the members have gone through the preliminary basis instruction such as accessing their luminous shell, having the eagle vision, learning to move their assemblage points, losing the human form by reaching the place of no pity, silencing the internal dialogue, etc.
I posted the above in the Nagual Woman forum but also want to post it here as this type of sorcery applies to those in a warrior party such as ours. Raven has been consistently asking me questions regarding Per Syd's comments so I want to address the issue.
Harvesting - delawaredan - 04-05-2012
Thank you
Harvesting - Guest - 04-05-2012
A few night ago I was dreaming with Persyd. She presented me with something. Later in day she said in Oracle she said she presented a toy car, I thought this could be what she presented to me then, and I even saw it as that in recall of dreaming. Then same day at work, I said hello to co worker, how are you? He said not too well, I asked why. He said he lost his car key over the weekend. It was a strange story in a way, he drove home and parked his car, went upstairs and went to bed...he is young and still partying age. Well, next morning he found his key chain with keys but his car keys were missing from chain. He showed me his key chain then...I saw he had the leather Zebra key ring I gave him from China as a gift. I gave all employees key chains of animals made out of leather. They got to randomly pick them from a bag, and he picked the zebra. So when he showed me his key chain, I rememered that gift. Then later in day Andrew posted zebra song to Kim's dream, that's why I said in that thread song was a good connect.
Back to co worker, I asked him where he last had keys, he said a guest slept in his bed, so he slept in his moms room, and he put keys in a drawer in her room. I told him probably that's where the keys were, fell behind a drawer. He seemed doubtful, he had tore the whole house up on Sunday and did not find keys, but I said he should look there. Next day I asked him if he found keys, he said oh sure. He got home and when he opened front door, mom was holding keys up to him. She found them under drawer or that area where I told him they probably were.
Last night I dreamed I had a key, it opened any lock. I didn't know this at first but found out by using it. I opened something in the dream, and it began to assemble like a Celtic knot. I realized later it could have been a maze. I also saw two belt of leather, and thought they were like the zebra pattern of key chain, which is also made of leather.
Harvesting - dreamgirl - 04-05-2012
Hmmm, Tiffany, your dream puzzles me. I am focusing on the two leather belts - the zebra pattern suggests duality, I had the thought that you must be close to resolving this human form issue. I am seeing that every day you are noticing that you are unifying the opposites and seeing past them, it is a strange viewpoint. I am also feeling this on a daily basis. It seems the shifting over to this new age has made it easier to peek outside of the realm of opposites. Also, there were two leather belts, suggesting our party here: me, Dan and Andrew. We really need at fourth very soon, it would be the four of us as the belts, and you have the key and you are partnered with Jake. I am just typing stream of consciousness at my first reactions to your dreaming - I realize it may sound nutty.
Who do you see as the next member? Call her to us.
What do you make of the toy car? I get nothing when I read Persyd's harvesting stuff, and the Oracle post as well.
Harvesting - Nagual LoneWolf - 04-05-2012
Per Syd writes she has dreamed with the new nagual woman (Ravenmoon) and shown her the fabric then gave a key to her to use in dreaming, this key opens her womb (so you may know how it can be used) to the nagual spirit. The older nagual woman she refers to, I sense is Cedar who is older and part of ravenfield, Senear or Mornings Son is the second 'nagual man" she refers to. I think she means Senear.
Either Ravenmoon or Senear have replied to her and I wonder if now is the time, for she awaits. She sees the party of four, which means to me Tiff, Kim, Drew, and Dan. I say this because she is talking to me and refers to the four others (not excuding Tiff as the nagual woman). ALSO...Watergaze has written me and wrote she believes she eventually will join us but she waits for a sign or pull from power, she says she knows it is her course. So a bit of a mystery but PS 'sees' pretty good, but she doesn't quite know who is who except from what power has revealed to her. I do not feel Cedar should be in this party at this time, I do want to say.
Harvesting - Guest - 04-05-2012
I am 40 and Kim is 46.
Harvesting - Guest - 04-05-2012
Ok, have more to say but had to get away from work.
Yes, I see most all of Persyd's posts, even the ones she deletes. I definitely get that she is a witch. As far as who the women are, I have been dreaming with her ever since she arrived, and my dreams match what she says about new nagual woman, but because she is so shifty, hard to say for sure Here are, based on age, possibilities:
Older Cedar, Kim, or me if Watergaze is younger (me and Watergaze)
Younger me, Watergaze or ???
(orCedar older and Kim younger)
Have I harvested?...I have had dreams that resemble what she describes.
This is all I can say for sure right now. I will reply to Kim in next post.
Harvesting - Guest - 04-05-2012
dreamgirl wrote:Hmmm, Tiffany, your dream puzzles me. I am focusing on the two leather belts - the zebra pattern suggests duality, I had the thought that you must be close to resolving this human form issue. I am seeing that every day you are noticing that you are unifying the opposites and seeing past them, it is a strange viewpoint. I am also feeling this on a daily basis. It seems the shifting over to this new age has made it easier to peek outside of the realm of opposites. Also, there were two leather belts, suggesting our party here: me, Dan and Andrew. We really need at fourth very soon, it would be the four of us as the belts, and you have the key and you are partnered with Jake. I am just typing stream of consciousness at my first reactions to your dreaming - I realize it may sound nutty.
Who do you see as the next member? Call her to us.
What do you make of the toy car? I get nothing when I read Persyd's harvesting stuff, and the Oracle post as well.
Who is next member? Really hard to say. Cedar has had most interaction that resembles being here. Watergaze, if she intends to be here likely she will. The only other woman I interact with is Dreamlyn. All 3 are in RF. Only active woman on forum is quantum, and seriously don't see her joining. So that's the list I have...I am not sure who to call, but agree we need more women.
The toy car, haha, I have had so many car omens they have sort of canceled each out. The most significant one is the one I posted about, due to the timing and connections here.
On harvesting, I understand it as processing the life of an individual who is going to the eagle, Persyd seems to believe in reincarnation, thus she seems to say we who harvest help give the person a better next life, and in return we can feed on what they don't need? That's my current understanding. Jake pointed out the other kind which is harvesting the double for the coat of awareness asprotection from FI, done in warrior parties undergoing a shift.
Do you knit Kim? Persyd said the other nagual woman knows how to knit.
Well, at least we are talking about all the events now regarding Persyd.
Harvesting - Guest - 04-05-2012
And Kim pointed out in main forum, another party of 4...her, shamanka, MS and Elias. So raises more questions...is Kim older and shamanka younger...we have not heard from sha...Kim is here with us, not other party, Elias has been around, sure he is not far, MS used to want to lead a party, seems he is trying to get that feeling back based on being in wolf lineage thus feeling a responsibility.
Harvesting - dreamgirl - 04-05-2012
Where did I post that about another party of four? Was it my question to Persyd in How to Call Death? Or did you mean someone else? I think I am the older nagual woman and you are the new nagual woman, well maybe, I don't know the other women. I think Jake is right in saying the four P refers to is our group as it is right now.
I do know how to knit, however I am sewing a great deal these days, part of what I do as an artist is to make handmade linen aprons/tea towels, ect. and block print them with my artwork. I also make leather and freshwater pearl jewelry. I sell my stuff at art festivals.
Harvesting - delawaredan - 04-05-2012
I have felt that Cedar would be the next memember but then she made some odd "good Bye" comments in main forum. WG then repsonded to me in a different way about the necklace I had made. It appears that I gave the necklace to Cedar but WG wanted/needed it. Cedar admited that she does not need it even though she liked it the first week.
I have never dreamt of PerSyd until last night. I will post my comments here as Kim does not have access to RF. I posted it there as it was a full moon night, but I felt it was our warrior party I was protecting.
"See some connection to Fabs and Senear's dreams in a round about way. There was definitely a powerful woman in my dream and there were crystals. The powerful woman was PerSyd and from her threads concerning harvesting, I can see a connection to Dreamlyn's creature. I was in a court of Egyptian royals. I was a spy, placed in the court by our group. The head of the Egyptian court was a woman with long black hair and I knew it was PerSyd.. She was dressed elaborately and we were all planning a ritual. It was big ritual in which we needed to practice. It was almost like we were rehearsing a play. This powerful woman was dangerous. She had the ability to extinguish awareness at will. The ritual that we were rehearsing was one in which people were sacrificed, by consuming their awareness. The whole time I was in this Egyptian court, I was weary of being exposed as a spy. I was able to trick this woman Pharaoh by using rose quartz crystal earrings. I was able to get her to wear the crystals as earrings that I had made. They were presented to her as a gift and she immediately wore them. I had another crystal made of the same rose quartz. It was the link I had that made the Pharaoh blinded to my true intentions, which was to ruin her harvesting ritual. I was trying to protect others. As long as she wore the earrings, she felt a longing for me....a romantic longing. She was "in love" with me due to the power of the rose quartz. This was working and I was plotting to ruin her ritual, when all of the sudden, she became aware of the trick I was playing. She was extremely mad, to say the least, when she saw my true intentions. She threw the crystals at me. I pulled out a small drum and began to play a rhythm that removed me from her wrath.....I then woke up."
"I was doing some research as to the properties of rose quartz. Most of what I read confirmed what I already knew in relation to love. I then began thinking how odd it was that I have been having dreams with different gem stones. I use to make jelwery out of semi precious stones, but that was 20 years ago. So why now? I found an interesting site that related gem stones and Assemblage point shifting - Shift Your Assemblage Point For Optimum Health
http://www.assemblagepoin...meaning-and-your-health/
Also - I found a picture of the earrings I made. "
Harvesting - dreamgirl - 04-05-2012
Beautiful earrings Dan. Last night I was looking up meaning of gem stones and semi precious stones. I am thinking to make some jewelry for protection/love/etc. to sell with my other stuff.
Harvesting - Guest - 04-05-2012
dreamgirl wrote:Where did I post that about another party of four? Was it my question to Persyd in How to Call Death? Or did you mean someone else? I think I am the older nagual woman and you are the new nagual woman, well maybe, I don't know the other women. I think Jake is right in saying the four P refers to is our group as it is right now.
I do know how to knit, however I am sewing a great deal these days, part of what I do as an artist is to make handmade linen aprons/tea towels, ect. and block print them with my artwork. I also make leather and freshwater pearl jewelry. I sell my stuff at art festivals.
Yes, your post reminded me of those 4 she had written about before. You did not directly intend that I see, but you did remind me because I went to read your post, then read back to hers. Jake also said the 4 refers to us here. Persyd said she could tell the older nagual woman can knit. So does seem to point to you (not knowing if Cedar knits?)
Harvesting - Guest - 04-05-2012
And in case its not clear, I am glad you are here with us Kim, and its your choice not hers. She mentions you there in another context of 4 but maybe she is confused of who is who.
Seems she is quite accepted from where I stand.
Harvesting - Guest - 04-05-2012
dreamgirl wrote:
I do know how to knit, however I am sewing a great deal these days, part of what I do as an artist is to make handmade linen aprons/tea towels, ect. and block print them with my artwork. I also make leather and freshwater pearl jewelry. I sell my stuff at art festivals.
Nice. I wonder if I dreamed with you 2 nights ago, me and another woman from here, darker hair, were working with jewlery. I saw a few rings we were putting in stock, and I was working on a case of jewelry I think. I know the woman was connected to this forum, so now that you mention it, could have been you. My guess was either you or Dreamlyn, similar appearance.
Harvesting - Nagual LoneWolf - 04-05-2012
Ah..my bad as for some reason Tiff I thought you were older but I did feel when PS spoke of the new nagual woman she meant you so no matter. Interesting dreaming Dan...I saw that connection with dreamlyn's shadow to be like my own dream I posted about the one I encountered.
Harvesting - Senear - 04-05-2012
RavenMoon wrote: A few night ago I was dreaming with Persyd. She presented me with
something. Later in day she said in Oracle she said she presented a toy
car, I thought this could be what she presented to me then, and I even
saw it as that in recall of dreaming. Then same day at work, I said
hello to co worker, how are you? He said not too well, I asked why. He
said he lost his car key over the weekend. It was a strange story in a
way, he drove home and parked his car, went upstairs and went to
bed...he is young and still partying age. Well, next morning he found
his key chain with keys but his car keys were missing from chain. He
showed me his key chain then...I saw he had the leather Zebra key ring I
gave him from China as a gift. I mentioned this to NLW, but my impression the toy car was also the one i saw. We used in the dream to traverse the heart valve space RM. The dream with the maze stone. That was a specific image from that dream, and a few days before she posted that. That dream was mostly with you, the meeting, her presence etc. It was also the first time we/I didn't try and trick or distract her. And kinda ended the weariness i had been feeling. Also zebra leather, Zebra "whose behind the door" etc etc. There was something of a feeling in that dream of everyone finally getting the intent, and just letting her do what power led her here to do and being rid of her by letting her do her part...no more tricking her in dreams etc.
I think ill post the thing today i asked permission to post. It was after that dream i felt it would be best to get the process going more smoothly, for our sakes and hers. So she would be less of a err, witch about things. lol. Wolf sorta said do as power leads you, and that's all the guidance he is likely to give so ill...post it today.
Harvesting - delawaredan - 04-05-2012
Odd Senear - it was the opposite of my dream. you said "no more" tricking her in dreams. I have never dreamt of her in the past so I was not guilty of tricking her in the past. I definitley was tricking her last night. I have always been straight forward with her. I do see her purpose and intent.....I do not want to harm her in anyway,
Harvesting - Senear - 04-05-2012
delawaredan wrote:Odd Senear - it was the opposite of my dream. you said "no more" tricking her in dreams. I have never dreamt of her in the past so I was not guilty of tricking her in the past. I definitley was tricking her last night. I have always been straight forward with her. I do see her purpose and intent.....I do not want to harm her in anyway,Its ok dan, i wasn't actually referring to your dream at all. Just was trying to relate my actions to RM and make them clear...We put ourselves through hell. And point out the toy car. Ive tricked her, persyd into portals, false graves, scared her with a mirror of her own intent, as has RM on and on night after night. That was the tricking i was referring too. Power was/Is guiding her actions, so it was a loosing proposition for me. Thats what i was saying and why i was saying it.
Harvesting - delawaredan - 04-05-2012
Yes - I did not think you were referencing me directly, but I thought it odd that after you all stopped tricking her, I jumped in to do the job! LOL. I have avoided her in dreaming in the past.
Harvesting - Senear - 04-05-2012
Hehe that is kinda funny. Just trying to be clear, we are both somewhat sensative ive noticed... lol.
Harvesting - Guest - 04-06-2012
I have actually never tricked her, to my recollection...Andrew, have you seen me do this, lol.
Harvesting - Senear - 04-06-2012
Well, trick is too strong a word. For both of us...misdirect and Avoid...? lol.
Harvesting - dreamgirl - 04-06-2012
I, like Dan, avoid her. If she appears as having long black strait hair and bangs, then she has popped into my dreaming before. I did dream with her in Ravenfield, but never really saw her.
Harvesting - delawaredan - 04-06-2012
yep....long straight black hair with bangs in my dream...
So...I was admiring the beauty of the moon tonight, how it illuminates the night sky. It hovered over some trees in my back yard. I thought about each of you....Jake, Tiffany, Andrew, and Kim. We were all connected physically under the same moon. I had a deep feeling of love and said it out loud, admiration for each of you and what you each bring to our warrior party. I felt a bit confused...why did I have such deep affection for these 4 humans that I never met in the tonal? I knew what it was.....and it came from a place of no pity. This is our place of no pity. We can be REAL with each other. We come here with no pity but on the path with heart. As a warrior, we need to live our daily life from a place of no pity. This place allows us to accomplish this task. Our group assemblage point is aligned with the place of no pity. That is what allows this warrior party to grow in knowledge and spirit.