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((( CLARITY DEFEATED JAMES ARTHUR RAY ))) - Don Genardo Sacateca - 11-20-2011 Don Juan taught that one of the enemies on the Path of Knowledge is: ((( CLARITY ))) So, if everyone wants to know what happens when a man is defeated by clarity all you have to do is see what happened to JAMES ARTHUR RAY He is a warrior who was defeated by his own clarity His clarity made him too sure of himself Yes, on the Path of Knowledge JAMES ARTHUR RAY was defeated by clarity! ((( CLARITY DEFEATED JAMES ARTHUR RAY ))) - Guest - 11-20-2011 i doubt that he was clear about knowing his self. i think the good old fashioned greed got to him. "gotta have that cash". mo money = more attachment. craving anything drives men and women mad. and craving makes you more stupid than a burro. ((( CLARITY DEFEATED JAMES ARTHUR RAY ))) - Don Genardo Sacateca - 11-20-2011 Three fools awed by the 'clarity' of James Arthur Ray chose to ignore their bodies telling them they were dying and stayed in that sweat lodge longer than they should have It was THEIR DECISION TO DO SO NOT JAMES ARTHUR RAY'S They chose not to listen to their bodies Apparently to prove to Mr Ray how tough they were and they paid the ultimate price it was THEIR CHOICE as warriors not Mr Ray's However, in a society of lying fools who don't want to take responsibility for their actions Mr Ray was made to take the blame for THEIR DUMB MISTAKE!! ((( CLARITY DEFEATED JAMES ARTHUR RAY ))) - Don Genardo Sacateca - 11-20-2011 Some at the event left the sweat lodge and didn't come back. That was THEIR CHOICE, not Mr Ray's Some exited the sweat lodge after each and every round. That was THEIR CHOICE and not Mr Ray's Some stayed in the sweat lodge between rounds. That was THEIR CHOICE and not Mr Ray's NO ONE knew those three were dying NO ONE!!! If Mr Ray goes to jail so should ALL THE PEOPLE around those three who had no clue whatsoever that they were dying!! It seems only fair enough. Why should they be excused because they had no clue those three were dying? Mr Ray wasn't excused and THOSE PEOPLE WERE RIGHT NEXT TO THOSE THREE!! Those three were experienced adventurers. Liz had done this event FIVE-TIMES before, or so I read. These were not mentally retarded children, as you people tend to want to believe. They were RESPONSIBLE ADULTS! They made a bad choice that day but IT WAS THEIR CHOICE, NOT MR RAY'S! ((( CLARITY DEFEATED JAMES ARTHUR RAY ))) - Don Genardo Sacateca - 11-20-2011 TO THE FAMILIES OF: LIZ NEUMAN, KIRBY BROWN & JAMES SHORE: I was under the impression that these three were honorable warriors. Well, no matter how glowing a testimony YOU have given about those three you obviously don't have a clue what it means to be a truly HONORABLE WARRIOR so I obviously have to tell you: To be a truly HONORABLE WARRIOR means that when you make a promise YOU KEEP YOUR PROMISE!!!! If you PROMISE to take full responsibility for your actions at ANY EVENT that is what you do whether you sign an agreement to do so or not! Yes, that's what it means to be a truly honorable warrior. YOU have dishonored their memory. YOU have shown the WHOLE WORLD that those three were actually dishonorable liars, apparently, just like YOU. Did God tell you that He wanted you to break the sacred promise those three made before they died? ALL FINAL PROMISES before death are indeed sacred! Did God tell you they wanted you to break their promise? DID HE?? You should be ashamed of yourselves. What are you going to say when you find out that James Arthur Ray was set up? What are you going to say on that day, eh? Will 'I'm sorry, I didn't know' be more than enough? WILL IT?? Bet you are rejoicing just like Hilary Clinton did when she learned that Gaddafi was dead, aren't you? And then her mother died. What a coincidence, eh? Don't worry it was just a coincidence. The wise DO NOT rejoice over the misfortune of others! ((( CLARITY DEFEATED JAMES ARTHUR RAY ))) - Don Genardo Sacateca - 11-20-2011 Those of you who are still convinced that all Mr Ray cared about is money watch this FREE VIDEO then list the three main things, from this video, that have you completely convinced Mr Ray is a charlatan and a fraud who only cares about money If you cannot do this SHUT THE **** ABOUT THE MATTER because you are an **** who doesn't know what he is talking about Thank you ((( CLARITY DEFEATED JAMES ARTHUR RAY ))) - Don Genardo Sacateca - 11-20-2011 energylover wrote:i doubt that he was clear about knowing his self. i think the good old fashioned greed got to him. "gotta have that cash". mo money = more attachment. craving anything drives men and women mad. and craving makes you more stupid than a burro. I couldn't tell you this at SR without getting banned, but since I am banned I will tell you here: YOU'RE A FUCKING DICKHEADED ****, ENERGYLOVER!! You jump to ignorant conclusions about people without doing any worthwhile research. You believe slanderous hearsay as though it is 'Gospel Truth' Anyone you feel is better than you in any way is fair game for your slander ((( YOU SUCK ****!! ))) You're a piece of walking human **** You're a human cockroach who should be sprayed and eliminated Well, the hungry aliens soon to come should take care of that because MOTHER EARTH DOES NOT NEED SLANDEROUS WALKING HUMAN **** LIKE YOU!!! ((( CLARITY DEFEATED JAMES ARTHUR RAY ))) - Guest - 11-21-2011 mr. radioactive full of rage and anger. how's that workin for you in your life? does that get you what you want ? no, i didn't think so. it tends to push people away from ya huh? why is it? because that is what you have to give away. squeeze a turd and guess what comes out? more sshitt. big surprise? ((( CLARITY DEFEATED JAMES ARTHUR RAY ))) - Don Genardo Sacateca - 11-21-2011 Well, the anger makes me more determined that ever to strengthen my connecting link to my source The Universe is fighting for me and apparently KILLED TOM!! I don't approve of what the Universe did, but it's out of my hands So, I am more determined to strengthen my connecting link to my source because STRENGTH is the only want to go in a society of lying, slanderous human scum like you who slander people without truly knowing what they actually believe Heck, if I have no choice and by strengthening my connecting link to my source means that anyone who hassles me mysteriously dies at the hands of The Spirit...well.... It's none of my business The Spirit apparently killed Tom. You want to keep pushing your luck, dickhead. Go right ahead! You are an **** who believes slanderous hearsay at face value You are a piece of walking human **** Have a nice day! ((( CLARITY DEFEATED JAMES ARTHUR RAY ))) - Don Genardo Sacateca - 11-21-2011 energylover wrote:mr. radioactive full of rage and anger. how's that workin for you in your life? does that get you what you want ? no, i didn't think so. it tends to push people away from ya huh? why is it? because that is what you have to give away. squeeze a turd and guess what comes out? more sshitt. big surprise? What? I'm supposed to want to attract human **** like you to me? Either share the list from Mr Ray's video or... GO *** OFF, ****! ((( CLARITY DEFEATED JAMES ARTHUR RAY ))) - Guest - 11-21-2011 meaningless new age hog wash. that guy is a taker, he cannot give you anything you don't already have. forget it. just like juan matus said "we are not spiritual beings' and that guy ain't no spiritual being either. he is a new age con man attracting your wallet to his collection plate. don't be stupid you moron. suckers lose when they believe douchebags like him. he sucks big donkey dong in my book. ((( CLARITY DEFEATED JAMES ARTHUR RAY ))) - Don Genardo Sacateca - 11-21-2011 Don Genardo Sacateca wrote: Those of you who are still convinced that all Mr Ray cared about is money watch this FREE VIDEO then list the three main things, from this video, that have you completely convinced Mr Ray is a charlatan and a fraud who only cares about money If you cannot do this SHUT THE **** ABOUT THE MATTER because you are an **** who doesn't know what he is talking about Thank you This is all I have to say to you, energylover ((( CLARITY DEFEATED JAMES ARTHUR RAY ))) - Don Genardo Sacateca - 11-21-2011 Morris was arrested after injecting a woman seeking butt implants with a mixture of cement, super glue, mineral oil, and Fix-A-Flat tire mender. Read more: http://www.nydailynews.co...e-1.980273#ixzz1eJDa0mlA ((( CLARITY DEFEATED JAMES ARTHUR RAY ))) - Don Genardo Sacateca - 11-21-2011 "Was it not part of the trial testimony that someone testified that they had called out, "She's not breathing" in reference to Kirby Brown?" MY COMMENT: If this is true that person should have been SCREAMING that she was not breathing. THAT PERSON should have dragged Kirby out of there. If he did not and no one else was willing to help him ALL THOSE PEOPLE should be going to jail. Hey, what would YOU do if you were there and you found that Kirby Brown was not breathing? Would you be quiet about it OR WOULD YOU START SCREAMING?? Get real, people. I remember a woman testifying that she stood up to the side of the inside of the sweat lodge and kept saying OUT LOUD 'There's something wrong with Kirby' over and over until she heard some guy say very loud: 'She's fine'. At that point the woman stopped making any comments about Kirby Brown. WHO SAID KIRBY WAS FINE? Apparently is was James Shore. Why shouldn't everyone have believed him when he said that Kirby was fine? Someone was concerned about Liz Neuman and went up to her and asked her if she was okay and Liz said she was fine and wanted to stay in the sweat lodge. Liz had done event FIVE-TIMES before 2009. Why should Liz not be believed? Why? ((( CLARITY DEFEATED JAMES ARTHUR RAY ))) - Don Genardo Sacateca - 11-21-2011 JAMES ARTHUR RAY SLAPPED DOWN BY CLARITY "He must defy his fear, and in spite of it he must take the next step in learning, and the next, and the next. He must be fully afraid, and yet he must not stop. That is the rule! And a moment will come when his first enemy retreats. The man begins to feel sure of himself. His intent becomes stronger. Learning is no longer a terrifying task. When this joyful moment comes, the man can say without hesitation that he has defeated his first natural enemy. It happens little by little, and yet the fear is vanquished suddenly and fast. Once a man has vanquished fear, he is free from it for the rest of his life because, instead of fear, he has acquired clarity--a clarity of mind which erases fear. By then a man knows his desires; he knows how to satisfy those desires. He can anticipate the new steps of learning and a sharp clarity surrounds everything. The man feels that nothing is concealed. And thus he has encountered his second enemy: Clarity! That clarity of mind, which is so hard to obtain, dispels fear, but also blinds. It forces the man never to doubt himself. It gives him the assurance he can do anything he pleases, for he sees clearly into everything. And he is courageous because he is clear, and he stops at nothing because he is clear. But all that is a mistake; it is like something incomplete. If the man yields to this make-believe power, he has succumbed to his second enemy and will be patient when he should rush. And he will fumble with learning until he winds up incapable of learning anything more. His second enemy has just stopped him cold from trying to become a man of knowledge. Instead, the man may turn into a buoyant warrior, or a clown. Yet the clarity for which he has paid so dearly will never change to darkness and fear again. He will be clear as long as he lives, but he will no longer learn, or yearn for, anything. He must do what he did with fear: he must defy his clarity and use it only to see, and wait patiently and measure carefully before taking new steps; he must think, above all, that his clarity is almost a mistake. And a moment will come when he will understand that his clarity was only a point before his eyes. And thus he will have overcome his second enemy, and will arrive at a position where nothing can harm him anymore. This will not be a mistake. It will not be only a point before his eyes. It will be true power. He will know at this point that the power he has been pursuing for so long is finally his. He can do with it whatever he pleases. His ally is at his command. His wish is the rule. He sees all that is around him. But he has also come across his third enemy: Power! Power is the strongest of all enemies. And naturally the easiest thing to do is to give in; after all, the man is truly invincible. He commands; he begins by taking calculated risks, and ends in making rules, because he is a master. A man at this stage hardly notices his third enemy closing in on him. And suddenly, without knowing, he will certainly have lost the battle. His enemy will have turned him into a cruel, capricious man, but he will never lose his clarity or his power. A man who is defeated by power dies without really knowing how to handle it. Power is only a burden upon his fate. Such a man has no command over himself, and cannot tell when or how to use his power. Once one of these enemies overpowers a man there is nothing he can do. It is not possible, for instance, that a man who is defeated by power may see his error and mend his ways. Once a man gives in he is through. If, however, he is temporarily blinded by power, and then refuses it, his battle is still on. That means he is still trying to become a man of knowledge. A man is defeated only when he no longer tries, and abandons himself. He has to come to realize that the power he has seemingly conquered is in reality never his. He must keep himself in line at all times, handling carefully and faithfully all that he has learned. If he can see that clarity and power, without his control over himself, are worse than mistakes, he will reach a point where everything is held in check. He will know then when and how to use his power. And thus he will have defeated his third enemy." -The Teachings of Don Juan MY COMMENT If Mr Ray refuses to give up he will defy his clarity and encounter power where he will need it most: IN PRISON. I can only hope he is not defeated by power and can emerge triumphant for it is obvious that Mr Ray deserves to have that conviction overturned for the same reason Amanda Knox's conviction was overturned: A SLOPPY INVESTIGATION! I strongly believe that Native American Fawn Foster put an organophosphates compound into the water that was poured onto the sweat lodge hot rocks during the final rounds of the sweat lodge ceremony. There is no way to prove it because I believe the detectives were paid off not to test the samples until after three-days when the organophosphate compound would disappear. I strongly believe James Arthur Ray was set up. 'Clarity' made James Arthur Ray some powerful enemies. I can only hope that Mr Ray is not defeated by his clarity because he's going to need lots of POWER where he is headed. The only hope I can see if for Mr Ray to use 'power' to become the greatest and most wonderfully helpful prisoner anyone has ever seen or known. Like the Biblical Joseph when he was falsely accused and thrown in prison. The prison guards trusted him so much that, I believe, they even gave him the keys to the cells and Joseph would do much of their work for them without ever trying to escape. Joseph was a prisoner who really knew how to handle power and he was eventually released to become greater than ever before! The families of those three have dishonored the memories Liz Neuman, Kirby Brown & James Shore by causing them to break the sacred vows they made before they died. Those three 'supposed' warriors vowed to take full responsibility for their actions at that event. They died with honor...until now. Their honor was taken away by their families blinded by a desire for revenge. For shame, people! You know not what you have done! May God forgive you ((( CLARITY DEFEATED JAMES ARTHUR RAY ))) - Don Genardo Sacateca - 11-22-2011 I found this on the Internet. One of the family members of the three who died said to James Arthur Ray: "There was nothing you could teach Liz, James or Kirby about honor, integrity and impeccability," said Neuman's cousin, Lily Clark, drawing from Ray's principle teachings. "But they could have taught you a lot. They were born spiritual warriors, and you are not worthy to spit shine their combat boots." COMMENT: Really now. Could they teach Mr Ray how to take responsibility for his actions at a sweat lodge event? Do tell? Could they teach Mr Ray how to leave a sweat lodge if they felt they were dying? Do tell that as well? Could they teach Mr Ray how to be honorable and keep their promises even if the legal system offers you a way to break your promises? I, for one, would like to know! ((( CLARITY DEFEATED JAMES ARTHUR RAY ))) - Don Genardo Sacateca - 11-23-2011 I found this on the Internet one of the family members of the three who died said: "There was nothing you could teach Liz, James or Kirby about honor, integrity and impeccability," said Neuman's cousin, Lily Clark, drawing from Ray's principle teachings. "But they could have taught you a lot. They were born spiritual warriors, and you are not worthy to spit shine their combat boots." COMMENT: Really now. Could they teach Mr Ray how to take responsibility for his actions at a sweat lodge event? Do tell? Could they teach Mr Ray how to leave a sweat lodge if they felt they were dying? Do tell that as well? Could they teach Mr Ray how to be honorable and keep their promises even if the legal system offers you a way to break your promises? I, for one, would like to know! ((( CLARITY DEFEATED JAMES ARTHUR RAY ))) - Gonzo - 11-23-2011 For a little perspective on Mr Ray: http://www.rickross.com/r...rthur/jamesarthur82.html ((( CLARITY DEFEATED JAMES ARTHUR RAY ))) - Guest - 11-23-2011 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Srb6zDqd ... r_embedded that is so ((( CLARITY DEFEATED JAMES ARTHUR RAY ))) - Don Genardo Sacateca - 11-23-2011 Don Genardo Sacateca wrote: Those of you who are still convinced that all Mr Ray cared about is money watch this FREE VIDEO then list the three main things, from this video, that have you completely convinced Mr Ray is a charlatan and a fraud who only cares about money If you cannot do this SHUT THE **** ABOUT THE MATTER because you are an **** who doesn't know what he is talking about Thank you This is all I have to say to you except that no one forced those people to do ANYTHING! It was THEIR CHOICE to pay for the event and THEIR CHOICE to participate in the activities, not Mr Ray's, period! A friend told me of a Martin Lawrence stand-up comedy routine in which he said: "Critics can't do ****. That's why they have to talk about YOUR ****!" ((( CLARITY DEFEATED JAMES ARTHUR RAY ))) - BarefootInTheSand - 11-24-2011 Don Genardo Sacateca wrote: Three fools awed by the 'clarity' of James Arthur Ray chose to ignore their bodies telling them they were dying and stayed in that sweat lodge longer than they should have It was THEIR DECISION TO DO SO NOT JAMES ARTHUR RAY'S They chose not to listen to their bodies Apparently to prove to Mr Ray how tough they were and they paid the ultimate price it was THEIR CHOICE as warriors not Mr Ray's However, in a society of lying fools who don't want to take responsibility for their actions Mr Ray was made to take the blame for THEIR DUMB MISTAKE!! Glad to see that I wasn't the only one to get that point. I don't understand how someone would override their own body's signals in this...it is like ignoring that you are having a heart attack just so you can make it into work on time. When I heard about it I thought it was a good lesson for everyone to see why not to give up themselves for something else. ((( CLARITY DEFEATED JAMES ARTHUR RAY ))) - BarefootInTheSand - 11-24-2011 Don Genardo Sacateca wrote:energylover wrote:i doubt that he was clear about knowing his self. i think the good old fashioned greed got to him. "gotta have that cash". mo money = more attachment. craving anything drives men and women mad. and craving makes you more stupid than a burro. I couldn't tell you this at SR without getting banned, but since I am banned I will tell you here: YOU'RE A FUCKING DICKHEADED ****, ENERGYLOVER!! You jump to ignorant conclusions about people without doing any worthwhile research. You believe slanderous hearsay as though it is 'Gospel Truth' Anyone you feel is better than you in any way is fair game for your slander ((( YOU SUCK ****!! ))) You're a piece of walking human **** You're a human cockroach who should be sprayed and eliminated Well, the hungry aliens soon to come should take care of that because MOTHER EARTH DOES NOT NEED SLANDEROUS WALKING HUMAN **** LIKE YOU!!! So much for the "I'm done posting there because of all the edits"...seems EL is as much a two-faced liar as CC or any of the other culties out there. >SAD ((( CLARITY DEFEATED JAMES ARTHUR RAY ))) - Don Genardo Sacateca - 11-24-2011 Okay, I'm ready to share the revelation: There is NO WAY I can possibly believe The Spirit of Intent would allow something like what happened to James Arthur Ray to happen to me without AT LEAST (((THREE))) extremely major warning signs UNLESS I was supposed to put my philosophy to the ultimate test by helping people in prison to become extremely successful when they get out of prison. It could very well be this whole situation was orchestrated by Intent so that Mr Ray could go to prison and help prison inmates turn their lives around and become EXTREMELY SUCCESSFUL IN LIFE. It could be James Arthur Ray KNEW THIS and that is why he very courageously only had two witnesses called when it came his turn to defend himself against the prosecution. Man, if this is true it would have taken a lot of guts to surrender to the will of the Spirit and not do much to defend himself. If The Spirit of Intent wants you to go to jail no kind of logic or reason will keep you out of prison If the Spirit of Intent wants you to die on a certain day at a certain hour you are already dead, you just don't know it. Nothing will be able to stop it! As for myself, I MUST BELIEVE that something like what happened to Mr Ray would NEVER happen to me without at least (((THREE))) major warnings that I would ignore and that last warning would have to be VERY DRAMATIC!!!! If I chose to ignore all three warning signs it is the ONLY WAY I can possibly imagine what happened to Mr Ray happening to me. Like it or not, Mr Ray MUST take responsibility for not making ABSOLUTELY CERTAIN that emergency people were on hand for the two-hours of the sweat lodge event. He wanted the 2009 sweat lodge hotter than ever before and obviously didn't think emergency personnel should be there just in case. BAD DECISION and one that eventually sent him to jail. If he is a TRUE WARRIOR he MUST take responsibility for that bad decision, period. He has no one else to blame but himself for deciding that emergency personnel were not required for those two-hours. It was Mr Ray's call and he made a bad one. He was obviously blinded by his sense of 'clarity' and thought he could handle anything that might happen. Tough luck, dude! Bad decision and now you'll have to pay for it! It could very well be that prison will provide the ultimate test of all that Mr Ray believes! Only a REAL WARRIOR will be able to survive it and come out stronger and better than ever before! I HAVE TO BELIEVE that if my enemies would succeed in doing something like this to me it would be for a very good reason and I would come out of the situation TRIUMPHANT and a better and more successful person than ever before. Whether anyone else agrees with the truth or not, the truth is REAL SPIRITUAL WARRIORS TAKE RESPONSIBILITY FOR THEIR ACTIONS AND THEIR LIVES REAL SPIRITUAL WARRIORS (((DO NOT))) BLAME OTHERS FOR (((THEIR))) BAD DECISIONS REAL SPIRITUAL WARRIORS WOULD TAKE FULL RESPONSIBILITY FOR STAYING IN A SWEAT LODGE LONGER THAN THEY KNOW IN THEIR HEARTS THEY SHOULD HAVE REAL SPIRITUAL WARRIORS WOULD (((NOT))) BLAME JAMES ARTHUR RAY FOR THEIR BAD DECISIONS REAL SPIRITUAL WARRIORS KEEP THE PROMISES THEY MAKE AND DON'T USE LEGAL TRICKERY TO GET AROUND THEM This is the truth whether you agree or not Of course, the phony spiritual warriors will not agree with what I have just written, but that is to be expected. Soft, armchair, porky-butt warriors who are not prepared for actual war will most certainly not agree with this post and most New Age supposed warriors I have encountered are of the soft, armchair, porky-butt variety. I AM A BODYBUILDING MARTIAL ARTS VERY (((REAL))) WARRIOR WHO IS READY TO DIE (((RIGHT NOW))) I TAKE RESPONSIBILITY FOR MY LIFE, MY THOUGHTS AND MY ACTIONS I DO NOT BLAME MY BAD DECISIONS ON OTHERS! IF I AGREE TO DO SOMETHING THAT IS WHAT I DO! IF I IGNORE MY BODY TELLING ME I AM DYING I HAVE NO ONE TO BLAME BUT MYSELF IF I STAY IN A SWEAT LODGE LONGER THAN I SHOULD IF I CHOSE NOT TO GET OUT BETWEEN ROUNDS AT THAT JRI EVENT THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN (((MY DECISION))) AND NOT JAMES ARTHUR RAY'S THAT'S THE TRUTH AND THE SOFT, PHONY, ARMCHAIR SUPPOSED WARRIORS WILL MOST CERTAINLY NOT AGREE But that is to be expected You should NEVER expect real courage from a phony warrior. Their problems are always someone else's fault ((( CLARITY DEFEATED JAMES ARTHUR RAY ))) - BarefootInTheSand - 11-28-2011 Don Genardo Sacateca wrote:REAL SPIRITUAL WARRIORS WOULD TAKE FULL RESPONSIBILITY FOR STAYING IN A SWEAT LODGE LONGER THAN THEY KNOW IN THEIR HEARTS THEY SHOULD HAVE REAL SPIRITUAL WARRIORS WOULD (((NOT))) BLAME JAMES ARTHUR RAY FOR THEIR BAD DECISIONS This is the truth whether you agree or not I agree with everything you said in your post, however, wanted to add a bit to what you said here. Because, although I agree with what you are saying, there is more here to say...the people taking his class in the sweat lodge were NOT real warriors...they were sheep (pointing to the sheep shepard analogy). Shepards lead themselves...the answers are within anyways. Shepards don't take classes. It is sheep who sign up for classes like this and sheep do what they are told. Also, James Ray was NOT a high level shepard. High level shepards would understand that the people there were sheep and would have taken care of them...he clearly did not see that structure. However, while one can fantasize about how an ideal world should be run (where only high level shepards are allowed to teach classes), it does no use because the world is the way the world is. I do think that it is important to look at how it happened...and to look at what was occuring for people. I do agree that real warriors wouldn't have been there and that if they were there would have walked out when it became too much...and also wouldn't blame anyone. However, I don't believe that the people who died were warriors. ((( CLARITY DEFEATED JAMES ARTHUR RAY ))) - Guest - 08-21-2019 |