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Nagual Church - dreamways - 07-12-2010
Can Sorcery be integrated into mainstream society, the same way that its sister path Wicca has done? Of course it can. I don't think that just leaving behind a forum with our writings is really enough of a service to Nagualism anymore, I think that we can do better than that, and that's what this is all about. My goal is to form something almost completely opposite of what is available out there to us currently, something not secretive or ambiguous, but clearly spelled out and integrated with society as part of the common good.
Why am I asking for donations now? Because the set up and adminstration of the Nagual Church has to be done correctly, so I plan on setting it all up with the help of StartChurch.com http://www.startchurch.com/ but it isn't free. Any other suggestions on how to go about this in a comprehensive and by the book are welcome.
The web address for the church will be http://www.nagualchurch.com/ and I hope it will eventually have a physical location as well as be able to provide help to the community the same way any other charitable organization would. I personally know how to run this forum, but this next step is going to take more than just me, so let me know if you are interested in lending a hand, or just click on the "donate" button and help us put the Nagual Church on the map.
John
Nagual Church - Nagual LoneWolf - 07-12-2010
Brilliant idea! That is what I always liked about you Dreamways is that you are forever thinking outside the box! Your such a good thinker and thus making your wisdom so much greater when applied to Nagualism. Will the church have a choir? Sorry had to ask... lets think more on this and get other opinions here.
-NLW
Nagual Church - another spirit - 07-13-2010
to me church is a place for people who aren't committed without others, or not on their own time. not saying that it couldnt work, but only that beauty and love should be the focus for those people who are simply there to hear the message and take it with them, rather than being the message. the main intent is to bring people together into freedom no?
otherwise it should include power plants.\\\\ and music
and it's monuments would be something like stonehenge, or chitchen itza, the pyramids, the great wall? or maybe we could just meet on the right streetcorner. ya know, under the table.
i too have a longing to find others who would follow the way. my way, which is them.
it has hurt me deeply to rail into my cause even those who would cause hurt to me. but also it has been successful ;0
freemasonry did it back in the day. only they were more secretive about it.
yeah great idea. humble ourselves to the average man eh?
Nagual Church - another spirit - 07-13-2010
http://www.peyoteway.org/doctrine/index.php
Nagual Church - Eilias123 - 07-13-2010
you know. I always considered going to church to meet some women my age... but i never wanted to convert to their religion... I'll be looking forward to attending a Nagual church . But seriously, this might not be a bad idea.
Nagual Church - Lunoor - 07-13-2010
I will stick with the church of the open sky and the front porch seasons with me fellah pathers
Nagual Church - Guest - 07-13-2010
The Catholic Church served as a refuge place for the new seers of the lineage of the Nagual Sebastian. It is was a protection umbrella during the spanish opression of the native people and probably an excellent playground for stalkers. There are no volunteers on the warriors path! There is much wisdom in this saying and in the strategy of the warriors to keep " low profile". Every institutional organisation is the beginning of a cult-formation and leads inevitably to the watering down of the power and finally to the degeneration of lineage.
"I'd never join a /club/ that would allow a person
like me to become a member"(Woody Allen)
Nagual Church - dreamways - 07-13-2010
isnobad wrote:The Catholic Church served as a refuge place for the new seers of the lineage of the Nagual Sebastian.
I can see it now, Catholics taking refuge in the Nagual Church to escape from their own priests....
Nagual Church - dreamways - 07-13-2010
Nagual LoneWolf wrote:Brilliant idea! That is what I always liked about you Dreamways is that you are forever thinking outside the box! Your such a good thinker and thus making your wisdom so much greater when applied to Nagualism. Will the church have a choir? Sorry had to ask... lets think more on this and get other opinions here. -NLW
Thanks. The whole point of the Nagual Church would be to provide a way for Nagualism to integrate with the rest of society for those who wanted it. People who want to hide in the shadows can continue to do so.
Nagual Church - dreamways - 07-13-2010
another spirit wrote:to me church is a place for people who aren't committed without others, or not on their own time. not saying that it couldnt work, but only that beauty and love should be the focus for those people who are simply there to hear the message and take it with them, rather than being the message. the main intent is to bring people together into freedom no? otherwise it should include power plants.\\\\ and music and it's monuments would be something like stonehenge, or chitchen itza, the pyramids, the great wall? or maybe we could just meet on the right streetcorner. ya know, under the table. i too have a longing to find others who would follow the way. my way, which is them. it has hurt me deeply to rail into my cause even those who would cause hurt to me. but also it has been successful ;0 freemasonry did it back in the day. only they were more secretive about it. yeah great idea. humble ourselves to the average man eh?
The point is to provide a publically recognized entity for Nagualists that want it, there is nothing secret about any part of it.
Nagual Church - Guest - 07-13-2010
"I can see it now, Catholics taking refuge in the Nagual Church to escape from their own priests...."
He He , but if you have read the the report of Amy Wallace , I am not sure , if they would be really save in the Nagual Church. Nagual Priests are maybe not so impeccable as they claim.
Nagual Church - ChattyNobody - 07-13-2010
dreamways wrote:another spirit wrote:to me church is a place for people who aren't committed without others, or not on their own time. not saying that it couldnt work, but only that beauty and love should be the focus for those people who are simply there to hear the message and take it with them, rather than being the message. the main intent is to bring people together into freedom no? otherwise it should include power plants.\\\\ and music and it's monuments would be something like stonehenge, or chitchen itza, the pyramids, the great wall? or maybe we could just meet on the right streetcorner. ya know, under the table. i too have a longing to find others who would follow the way. my way, which is them. it has hurt me deeply to rail into my cause even those who would cause hurt to me. but also it has been successful ;0 freemasonry did it back in the day. only they were more secretive about it. yeah great idea. humble ourselves to the average man eh?
The point is to provide a publically recognized entity for Nagualists that want it, there is nothing secret about any part of it.
While this is a good idea, the question is who decides who is real, who is not, who is a evil nagual and who is the good guy/gal.
Nagual Church - Guest - 07-13-2010
amy wallace is a clown.
learning from the past and catering to it are different things.
that aside, all great points. i think it could be a wonderful service to nagualism just to get it out in the sunlight and dust all the cobwebs off it. even just to give it some distance from cleargreen group would be beneficial.
Nagual Church - dreamways - 07-13-2010
Eilias123 wrote:you know. I always considered going to church to meet some women my age... but i never wanted to convert to their religion... I'll be looking forward to attending a Nagual church . But seriously, this might not be a bad idea.
I'm sure it would be an awesome experience to be able to go to a Nagualist Church that is family friendly and an asset to the community.
Nagual Church - ChattyNobody - 07-13-2010
mothsdream wrote:amy wallace is a clown.Ya... but she screwed Carlos!
Nagual Church - dreamways - 07-13-2010
isnobad wrote:"I can see it now, Catholics taking refuge in the Nagual Church to escape from their own priests...."
He He , but if you have read the the report of Amy Wallace , I am not sure , if they would be really save in the Nagual Church. Nagual Priests are maybe not so impeccable as they claim.
Everybody is fallible, that is why there has to be an oversight committee to keep it on track, it is not going to be all about any single person.
Nagual Church - ChattyNobody - 07-13-2010
As I said in your forum, a Nagual Church as a training ground for warriors is a good idea. It's practically an Ashram to prepare people to meet their lineages and benefactors.
Nagual Church - dreamways - 07-13-2010
ChattyNobody wrote:While this is a good idea, the question is who decides who is real, who is not, who is a evil nagual and who is the good guy/gal.
Once the mission statement is ironed out, people can decide for themselves if it is real for them. I would imagine that there will be more than one variety of Nagual Church eventually.
Nagual Church - Guest - 07-13-2010
A.W. is not a funny clown. For me she is a boring , neurotic tonal , who has nothing understood about the Teachings of Don Juan. But there should be no doubt about the fact, that there was massive sexual abuse in the CC-Scene.
A Nagual Church as a pre-school for would be warriors is a good idea . Every volunteer , who enters this church , should not be accepted by a true Nagual !
Nagual Church - Lunoor - 07-13-2010
Yeah , good old bureaucracy to iron it all out and take away the juice.
Nagual Church - ChattyNobody - 07-13-2010
Actually the notion of a clear stated training ground for people is not bad at all. All naguals around the world are BITCHING (and that is not impeccable at all, btw) that there is no readiness in seekers nor in should-be nagual apprentices. Why not, provide a place where you can learn all the basics, get strong and knowledgable for them to reach a Nagual with complete premeditation?
Actually, we could do a MODEL of a working system for groups of wanting-to-grow warriors. That's not bad at all.
Nagual Church - Guest - 07-13-2010
Chatty for Pope !
Nagual Church - ChattyNobody - 07-13-2010
isnobad wrote:Chatty for Pope !
Ew... God forbid!
Nagual Church - rosygyro - 07-13-2010
Internet church!
Would this church be started as a soley internet space..
Modern nagualism and all that jibe...
I wonder what application of power a sacred "cyber space" has!
Many people ahve no access to the internet or even electricity!
How would you ensure that the technological boundaries did not become selective to the lucky few... " A back door perhaps"
Sacred technology and sacred herbs!
Nagual Church - dreamways - 07-14-2010
Anybody who has spent any time reading my Nagual forum knows that I have two
primary interests, dreaming and inorganic energy. I'm all for including
every part of Nagualism in the Nagual Church, but excluding dreaming
and inorganica from the focus would be the last thing that I would
ever consider.