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The Origin of the Nagual - dreamways - 08-06-2008
If ever you find yourself able to dream your way down the trail of the Nagual, to its doorstep, you will find that the Nagual is a force than emanates from the
bottom of Hell. There you will find a single being responsible for everything that the Nagual is, for the very existence of the Nagual in the physical realms
such as Earth. That being is Iblis, and, the "presence" of Iblis is the Nagual. Iblis is a Jinn, a sort of demi-angel from the lowest level of
Heaven that made Hell his own, with the help of his people, the other Jinnat. This is what Inorganic Beings are, Jinnat, "fallen" angels. The truth
is that they "fell" in love with the physical realms and took them as their new home. The Jinnat were not "cast" into Hell, they conquered
it. Hell is a collection of physical dimensions that include the Earth, this Earth being the least physical of all of them. The "lowest" level of
Hell is many times more real and phyical than reality on Earth, and existence is much more profound. Hell was fought over for this reason. Everybody wanted
it, but the Jinnat were the eventual victors. Keep in mind though, that Hell is just the farthest reach of Heaven, it is not separate.
The Origin of the Nagual - Hawkeye Crow - 08-07-2008
Don't think so. No dualism in the Nagual , just energy and predators. WE make the choices , we make the focus as to what is real , and we reap the
results. It is indeed difficult for the average human to accept fate without continuous complaining and envious desires , desires being the source of all
unhappiness. How do I know this? Perhaps I myself may have been an even greater Indulger than Castanada writes of himself. I for sure used to carp and
complain and cry with self-pity with the best of them. Now THAT is Hell.
The Origin of the Nagual - Bob May - 08-07-2008
Interesting post.
In the Qabala is a similar, (though with some very significant differences) teaching.
That we live in a plane of death and decay,..the physical plane. Nothing lasts. The only thing that is for sure is change. This plane is also called "the
Gate", meaning the gate between heaven and hell. There is a chart or "Table of Corresponences" that reflects these ideas. In the introduction to
"The Kabbalah Unveiled" by MacGregor Mathers.
All of the higher realms have corresponding God names (aspects or Emanations of the one God), archangel's names, angelic hosts, etc., assigned to them. It
is only beginning in "This World", the physical world, that the names begin to be those of demons. So this plane, the physical plane, is the
beginning of the "Infernal Tree". And ruled by a world system which is governed by demons. Which, by the way, explains somewhat why Jesus said,
"My kingdom is not of this world."
The belief is that because of the Fall, the universe is "out of balance" but that the lower planes will at some time be absorbed, so to speak. Energy
being what it is, nothing will be lost, just changed. This will restore the balance. The lower planes and their inhabitants will also be absorbed.
And so there are "permanent" and "temporal" planes. The permanent planes are referred to as heaven or heavens and the temporary as Earth.
The Goal, in effect, is to escape the temporary planes. Demons do not have that choice because they were cast out because of pride (self-importance) and lost
their first estate. That is why they hate humanity. Because they know that they have but a short time, whereas humanity has a choice.
Some think they are being guided by the Spirit and some the Nagual. This is a function of Spirit contained in both systems of knowledge,..Toltec and Christian.
My teacher was adamant about asking "..what is your source of Power?" When he was young he asked a budhist monk what the most powerful system of
magic in the world was. He was told that it was the Qabala.
When I stopped the world, many years ago it was a frightening experience. Reaffirmations became constant and the main question on my mind was, who is sending
the messages?
This may be the crux of the issue here.
Who is sending the messages?
What is your source of Power?
It may very well be that the answer may be different for different individuals.
It may also be different for the same individuals at different times of their lives.
The Origin of the Nagual - Hawkeye Crow - 08-07-2008
Bob , here's another way of saying what I said before:
What you see is what you get , or , be careful what you wish for , you may get it!
Aspects of the Law of Attraction
The Origin of the Nagual - dreamways - 08-07-2008
Hawkeye Crow wrote:
No dualism in the Nagual
Exactly. There is only one Iblis.
The Origin of the Nagual - dreamways - 08-07-2008
Bob May wrote:
All of the higher realms have corresponding God names (aspects or Emanations of the one God), archangel's names, angelic hosts, etc., assigned to them.
It is only beginning in "This World", the physical world, that the names begin to be those of demons. So this plane, the physical plane, is the
beginning of the "Infernal Tree". And ruled by a world system which is governed by demons. Which, by the way, explains somewhat why Jesus said,
"My kingdom is not of this world."
As usual, right on the money.
The Origin of the Nagual - dreamways - 08-07-2008
Hawkeye Crow wrote:
Bob , here's another way of saying what I said before:
What you see is what you get , or , be careful what you wish for , you may get it!
Aspects of the Law of Attraction
That's the point, know what nagualism is before you start wishing for it.
The Origin of the Nagual - dreamways - 08-07-2008
I posted this same article on Lujan's parallel perception board, man did he ever take offense! Here, he calls himself a nagual, bestowing the glory of
hell upon himself, and then turning around and biting the demon hand that fed him. What an ingrate.
You know, I'm not really opposed to the idea that "angels" and "inorganic beings" and "demons" are actually alien life that
may or may not have full access to life on earth. My basic view is that heaven and hell, angels and demons, Don Juan and the Death Defier, are all slices out
of the same pie. The big illusion is that inorganic beings are non-physical, when in fact they are of greater physicality than us. The "energy
body" is not a ghost, it is just not seated in this dimension. It is more real and more physically connected than our "physical body." Being
able to see energy does not make you less real, it makes you and everything else more real. The super-physical realms, what have historically been called
"hell", were blandly deemed "inorganic" by Castaneda because he wanted to steer us away from there in a controlled fashion, not in a panic.
But let's not sell the ancient sorcerers short, they joined the inorganic beings for several good reasons, they weren't idiots. 1. Your get to live
longer, the deeper into hell you reside. 2. Your physical reality and ability to perceive it are increased to a super-human level. 3. You get to live in a
world inhabited by more than just one type of sentient being, so there is a variety to your existence that transcends life on earth. 4. You get to witness
the cosmic root of all physicality. 5. The secrets of all creation are not a secret to you. The only downside to all of this is being drawn into a
"civil war" where angels would probably kill you if given the chance.
The Origin of the Nagual - Bob May - 08-07-2008
Hi Bob,
"Bob , here's another way of saying what I said before:
What you see is what you get , or , be careful what you wish for , you may get it!"
Not exactly what I meant, Bob, but close.
More like, Be careful what you wish for because you may be getting something different and thinking you are getting what you asked for.
Which is why my teacher chose the Qabala. The names are not there for window dressing. They are real beings and forces of the universe. And those forces with
functions that are very specific. Hence the names.
I look at it as a roadmap of the portions of reality we cannot see, which is most of it.
To walk into the unknown without a guide is an overwhelming proposition.
The Origin of the Nagual - dreamways - 08-07-2008
Bob May wrote:
My teacher was adamant about asking "..what is your source of Power?" When he was young he asked a budhist monk what the most powerful system of
magic in the world was. He was told that it was the Qabala.
When I stopped the world, many years ago it was a frightening experience. Reaffirmations became constant and the main question on my mind was, who is sending
the messages?
My opinion is that all magic comes from the physical/hell realms. The power of angels is not magic based. So, if the Qabala really is a
"system of magic", then it would have to have crawled out of the same hole as nagualism. Not that it's bad, I'm just saying that magic is
not taught by the "beings of light," at least not the ones who want to stay lit.
As far as energetic transmissions go, I think that if you just let yourself feel the nature of the message, your body knows who sent it.
The Origin of the Nagual - Blue totem - 08-07-2008
You vision of things is kinda dark. To say that we are part of hell is very negative.
But in a way it`s not completly impossible, when we consider all the suffering and pain on this earth...
Are you saying the nagual is a jinn? Isn`t the nagual God in essence?
The Origin of the Nagual - Bob May - 08-07-2008
"My opinion is that all magic comes from the physical/hell realms. The power of angels is not magic based. So, if the Qabala really is a "system of
magic", then it woulf have to have crawled out of the same hole as nagualism. Not that it's bad, I'm just saying that magic is not taught by the
"beings of light," at least not the ones who want to stay lit. "
The Qabala is not a system of magic, but can be used in that way. It is the study of the "Tree of life" a glyph that maps out the universe so to
speak, relationships between powers so to speak. The physical/hell realms as you call them are but the lowest rung of the ladder, there being ten in all with
the unknowable beyond that. The realms of Magic are included in the entire scheme but are a small portion of the entire Tree.
There are different forms of magic and different souces of Power. There is Mysticism which attempts always to go "to the source of things. There are
higher and lower Astral light Realms. There are realms of physical and lower realms.
If invoking God names, Archangels, angels, demons, or elemental nature spirits is your thing, it can be used as a guide in this endeavor.
I do not mess with magic. I meditate and seek understanding and wisdom. My teacher was a healer, he was interested in power for that purpose and also wisdom
and understanding.
The value of the study of the Tree is to know where to go to find what you are looking for. I seek answers and experience. Without that how would I know what
to do with power?
"As far as energetic transmissions go, I think that if you just let yourself feel the nature of the message, your body knows who sent it."
I think that is true to some extent, but I also use the stories of the Patriarchs, the teachings of Jesus and Paul as guides.
If all things don't "jibe", I know there is something wrong.
My teacher was an aeronautical engineer before he was a minister. He used the analogy that the Bible was the engineer's handbook and the Qabala was his
slide rule.
It is actually one system, each explains and enhances the other.
The Origin of the Nagual - dreamways - 08-08-2008
Blue totem wrote:
You vision of things is kinda dark. To say that we are part of hell is very negative.
But in a way it`s not completely impossible, when we consider all the suffering and pain on this earth...
Are you saying the nagual is a jinn? Isn`t the nagual God in essence?
What I'm getting at here is that Hell is simply a collection of physical and super-physical diemensions that are not evil Everything has a trade off,
Heaven and Hell both. All of creation encompasses both Heaven and Hell, there is suffering and discontent as well as beauty and happiness throughout it.
Another way to look at Hell is as the physical representation of God. So, you could still say that the Nagual is God, but it would be more truthful to point
out what side of God when making that statement. The day we stop condemning anything not found in the non-physical "heaven" realms is the day we
start considering that our earthly neigbors, our fellow men, are not evil because they don't share our view. T
he Nagual is a Jinn, an Arch-Jinn if you want to call him that, or even Metatron in disguise. But, Iblis did not always reside in the physical side of heaven,
it was only when he made the "first sorcerer's crossing" did the nagual manifest itself here. The jinn are a type of angel, the
"eighth" kind, from the eighth level of heaven. I don't believe that anything they have ever done has not been God's plan all along. Not
only are the Jinn the first being like man that god created, they are also the first beings of any kind that were created. The first crossing is actually the
"crossing of the first". Iblis is God's witness to everything that has ever come to be. He is like Tyrannosaurus Rex, strange and ancient, a
relic from a past too far distant for any to remember except God and himself.
The Nagual was also the name of the Eighth level of Heaven that was abandoned by the Jinn, it is empty now, something of a ghost town. Since the Eighth level
of Hell is the Earth, and it is not a ghost town, my guess is that the energy was transferred from one to the other.
The Origin of the Nagual - Hawkeye Crow - 08-08-2008
Last week , I posted about the seven Hawks. It was a truly magical event , and within a few days , I learned that these things can happen by my intent ,
attracting things to my experience , and that this is achieved through a particular set of attitudes. I guess magic is as much a bias as anything else. On a
goo day , I get to watch hummingbirds who are as magical a creature as one can imagine , if the imagination swings that way. Perhaps I should focus a dream of
flying with them.
Bob , I was if wondering if Qubala was sorcery. How about the , golem , is it?
Of Rudolf Stiener , I read that he could see the entity possessing Hitler. Then there is Alister Crowley , or the Marquis de Sade. Focus is the issue , as
well as reordering the Tonal. If we accept our failures we also get to accept our talents , or blessings. It is my feeling that eventually , humans will
realize the universality of principles that are NOT superstition, yet may be remarkable.
Can the human mind activate the'strings ' of String Theory? They already have to use a formula that accounts for the mere presence of the observer at
a quantum event. The circle is a mystical symbol. Perhaps , with science , we end up back where we began with the Shaman.
The Origin of the Nagual - Hawkeye Crow - 08-08-2008
Reviewing these posts , perhaps I can say this in yet another way.
That, all these entities , these powers , have their root in just one thing : the IDEA. If I can think it , and focus on it , it becomes real. Supposedly ,
the same way the Biblical God created. They are only as real as we give them our attention. Perhaps , if I give my attention to another world , different
from this one , I can get there , maybe. Some , such as Martin Luther King Jr. did just that. So did Jules Verne. Or Gandhi.
INTENT!
Until I got the Idea of dreaming , and focused on it , it did not exist. Yet , I now find that something is happening. It worked well for Oglala Crazy Horse .
Then again , it is difficult to overcome the negative, as the Oglala found out.
As a context , I have been to a 'root doctor' a couple of times , a form of sorcery and shamanism of the southeast , African American , US. Not
exactly Santaria , not VooDoo, and not Nagualism either, but definitely sorcery. So Astrology is a sorcerer's too as well.. I'll bet a real
sorcerer knows better than to believe it , but knows how to use it with superstitious humans. Ask yourself, Why didn't don Jaun use astrology? Seems he
was more into physical therapy and herbal healing.
And remember , Carlos was a part of a special sect , sorta like Franciscans. It wasn't for just anyone , especially so-called volunteers. Still , within
the known , the principles can work for anybody, especially the warriors way , for it is almost Zen.
The Origin of the Nagual - Bob May - 08-08-2008
"Bob , I was if wondering if Qubala was sorcery."
No, it is the study of the Tree of Life. Part of it is a group of glyphs representing the relationships of powers and subjective "paths" (initiations
or awarenesses) that make up the universe. So, if you have experiences or want to invoke powers to do something or help you with something you can know what
you will get before you dial the number.
It can be used by a magician or sorcerer yes, but is not sorcery.
It is more like tables of correspondences and principles. A map to the unknown.
"How about the , golem , is it?"
Refresh my memory. I've run across the word before, but not lately.
Rudolf Steiner was aware of kabbala for sure. Used to astral project into Nazi occult meeetings from what I've read.
Alister Crowley was a one time member of The Golden Dawn of England. Left after some kind of dissagreement and did his own thing. I've read some of his
stuff but it doesn't do much for me.
I've read a lot by other members of that order. Some very good stuff Especially Macgregor Mather's Qabala Unveiled and Dion Fortune's Mystical
Qabala. Also Israel Regardie's 12 Steps to Spiritual Enlightenment.
"Can the human mind activate the'strings ' of String Theory? They already have to use a formula that accounts for the mere presence of the
observer at a quantum event."
The string theory states there are 11 dimensions.
Qabala says there are ten Sephiroth or Emanations from the one unknowable God with an 11th "invisible Sepirah" called Daath or Knowledge.
Coincidence?
The Origin of the Nagual - Bob May - 08-08-2008
I looked up the story of the Golem on the net and read some. Kind of like Frankenstien or would it be Frrrankensshteen? It is typical of rabbinical tales in
that it is somewhat fairytail-like with some elements of truth in it.
The Shem Hamphoresh in the story, the "true name of God" is a good example. It says if you are unworthy to utter it it can destroy you etc. There is
much written about the name names of God in Jewish literature and Temple practice.
The Jews do not pronounce the name of god but substitute Adonai or "Lord" when reading scripture. Which we in the West have also done to some extent
with the Bible. There are many names (or aspects) of the one God, but have simply been translated as God or Lord in our Bibles.
The name IHVH which we pronounce Jehovah is sacred and as all the names of God it is among other things a formula. It was used in Biblical times only once a
year and only uttered once by one man, the high priest in the Holy of Holies.
And yes, names can be very powerful invocation tools and should not be used lightly.
The Jewish rabinical stories of those times have much to tell but the Qabala is a living system of knowledge, constantly added to as time goes by. You might
find it easier to relate to some more modern books on the subject.
It kind of reminds me of old Celtic Myths of heroes and godesses etc., very quaint and difficult to decipher.
The Origin of the Nagual - dreamways - 08-08-2008
Bob May wrote:
"....If invoking God names, Archangels, angels, demons, or elemental nature spirits is your thing, it can be used as a guide in this endeavor.....My
teacher was a healer, he was interested in power for that purpose and also wisdom and understanding.
It is actually one system, each explains and enhances the other....."
This is really the crux of the whole thing, that is, would anybody really want a demon invoked to aid in healing? And if you don't use demons for
healing, then bottom line, what exactly do you use them for? As far as Nagualism is concerned, the only use for Inorganic Beings (demons) is to help you move
your assemblage point. There seems to be some implication in the books that moving your assemblage point could stave off disease, but not actually
"heal" you of it. As far as herbalism, medicine, etc, go, they all seem to rely on on concrete methods. Bob, do you know of any reference anywhere
that describes the use of demons for healing? Maybe it can be found in some books on witchcraft somewhere, I'll have to consult with somebody who actually
practices it here in town to find out.
The Origin of the Nagual - Bob May - 08-08-2008
Hi Dreamways,
"There seems to be some implication in the books that moving your assemblage point could stave off disease, but not actually "heal" you of
it."
If I equate moving the assemblage point with changing awareness my guess would be that you are tapping into other influences of the Emanations or Sephirah on
the Tree. You may be imbalanced and to contact a Sephirah that is an "opposite" of the one you normally draw to or vibrate with would probably
balance you out.
The study of the Qabala is the study of balance. We are all unbalanced to some degree or another. There is art in science and science in art and you cannot be
very good at either if you don't approach these subjects with this in mind.
Also there are the 22 Paths connecting the 10 "objective" Sephiroth. These are "subjective. You could look at them as true
"initiations." Since these present us with a more expanded experience of the world around us, another piece of the puzzle so to speak, and since most
disease is mental/emotional in nature it could not help but have an effect on a disease to have an experience of this kind.
There are four levels of healing as my teacher layed out his method.
Pranic: Direct energy transferred by breath and contact like "laying on of hands.'
Magnetic: Auric and or Etheric cleansing and balancing of energies sometimes done by waving hands or feathers over the body.
Mental: A change in attitude, thought and or emotion in the patient himself.
Miracle: A direct changing of matter by use of the Power of the Emanations.
He also recommended vitamins and proper nutrition habits, exercise, etc. He was of the opinion that all of these should be used. But the first three had
limits.
Mental healing, for example, could cure cancer over a longer or shorter period of time, but Miracles could unmanifest a tumor instantly.
"Bob, do you know of any reference anywhere that describes the use of demons for healing? Maybe it can be found in some books on witchcraft
somewhere."
There is a book called the Lesser Keys of Solomon that deals strictly with invoking demons. I would not have it in my house. It is dangerous even to read the
names in it or have them in your mind.
To make something clear. My idea of the "inorganics" of the Castaneda books is not that they are Demons for the most part but more akin to nature
spirits. And maybe some low level demons like the kind that influence people's screwed up personalities.
Here we are talking about the Real Deal demons. Don't mess with it.
It is possible to invoke or command them by certain practices of magic but you will find out the hard way that they were never being controlled at all.
I doubt that any healing they would perform would last and neither would the magician.
The book called The Greater Keys of Solomon deals with angels, archangels and God names if you are into invoking spirits. But even that can be dangerous. I
have had some good and bad experiences with that also.
The Mystic way is to stay on the "Middle Pillar" of the Tree and to become "one with" a Sephirah. If you do, you will stay balanced and
"what you think in mind becomes manifest in matter."
I would equate that to when your command becomes the Eagles command in the Fire From Within.
I am just not sure which Sephirah that would be. Each would be an ocean of energy but not having taken Don Juan's system to it's end, I am not sure
what his source of power was.
Jesus' source of power was what he referred to as his Father. The way to that source has been opened since the Crucifixion. To my understanding this is
the first Sephirah Kether, but since becoming "one with" that particular source of power would unmanifest a person the second Sephirah, Chokmah or
Wisdom would equate with that power.
That was my teacher's source of power for healing and miracles and one which I believe I touched with one time.
It is not easy to reach. My teacher likened it to "bowling a three-hundred" game.
It also takes it's toll on the physical body at whatever level you are at spiritually. It begins a process within the body that does not stop throughout
your lifetime.
"I am come to send fire on the earth; and what will I, if it be already kindled?
But I have a baptism to be baptized with; and how am I straitened till it be accomplished!"
Read Gopi Krishna's book: Kundalini, The Evolutionary Energy in Man.
The Origin of the Nagual - dreamways - 08-09-2008
A ten-point summary of Blavatsky's Isis Unveiled
http://indiapost.com/article/philosophy/3353/
To comprehend the principles of natural law . . . the reader must keep in mind the fundamental propositions of the Oriental philosophy which we have
successively elucidated. Let us recapitulate very briefly:
1st. There is no miracle. Everything that happens is the result of law -- eternal, immutable, ever active. Apparent miracle is but the
operation of forces antagonistic to what Dr. W.B. Carpenter, F.R.S. -- a man of great learning but little knowledge -- calls "the well-ascertained laws
of nature." Like many of his class, Dr. Carpenter ignores the fact that there may be laws once 'known,' now unknown to science.
2nd. Nature is triune: there is a visible, objective nature; an invisible, indwelling, energizing nature, the exact model of the other,
and its vital principle; and, above these two, spirit, source of all forces, alone eternal, and indestructible. The lower two constantly change; the higher
third does not.
3rd. Man is also triune: he has his objective, physical body, his vitalizing astral body (or soul), the real man; and these two are
brooded over and illuminated by the third -- the sovereign, the immortal spirit. When the real man succeeds in merging himself with the latter, he becomes an
immortal entity.
4th. Magic, as a science, is the knowledge of these principles, and of the way by which the omniscience and omnipotence of the spirit and
its control over nature's forces may be acquired by the individual while still in the body. Magic, as an art, is the application of this knowledge in
practice.
5th. Arcane knowledge misapplied, is sorcery; beneficently used, true magic or Wisdom.
6th. Mediumship is the opposite of adeptship; the medium is the passive instrument of foreign influences, the adept actively controls
himself and all inferior potencies.
7th. All things that ever were, that are, or that will be, having; their record upon the astral light, or tablet of the unseen universe,
the initiated adept, by using the vision of his own spirit, can know all that has been known or can be known.
8th. Races of men differ in spiritual gifts as in color, stature, or any other external quality; among some peoples seership naturally
prevails, among others mediumship. Some are addicted to sorcery, and transmit its secret rules of practice from generation to generation, with a range of
psychical phenomena, more or less wide, as the result.
9th. One phase of magical skill is the voluntary and conscious withdrawal of the inner man (astral form) from the outer man (physical
body). In the cases of some mediums withdrawal occurs, but it is unconscious and involuntary. With the latter the body is more or less cataleptic at such
times; but with the adept the absence of the astral form would not be noticed, for the physical senses are alert, and the individual appears only as though
in a fit of abstraction -- 'a brown study', as some call it.
10th. The corner-stone of Magic is an intimate practical knowledge of magnetism and electricity, their qualities, correlations, and
potencies. Especially necessary is a familiarity with their effects in and upon the animal kingdom and man. There are occult properties in many other
minerals, equally strange with that in the lodestone, which all practitioners of magic must know, and of which so-called exact science is wholly
ignorant.
Plants also have like mystical properties in a most wonderful degree, and the secrets of the herbs of dreams and enchantments arc only
lost to European science, and useless to say, too, are unknown to it, except in a few marked instances, such as opium and hashish. Yet, the psychical effects
of even these few upon the human system arc regarded as evidences of a temporary mental disorder.
The women of Thessaly and Epirus, the female hierophants of the rites of Sabazius, did not carry their secrets away with the downfall of
their sanctuaries. They are still preserved, and those who are aware of the nature of Soma, know the properties of other plants as well. To sum up all in a
few words, Magic is spiritual Wisdom; nature, the material ally, pupil and servant of the magician.
One common vital principle pervades all things, and this is controllable by the perfected human will. The adept can stimulate the
movements of the natural forces in plants and animals in a preternatural degree. Such experiments are not obstructions of nature, but quickenings; the
conditions of intense vital action are given.
The Origin of the Nagual - Bob May - 08-10-2008
http://magick.elysium.com.ar/library/fi ... stical.pdf
Eheieh, I Am That I Am, pure being, is the God-name of Kether, and its magical
image is an ancient bearded king seen in profile. The
Zohar says of this ancient bearded
king that he is all right side; we do not see the magical image of Kether full-face, that is
to say complete, but only partially. There is an aspect which must ever be hidden from us,
like the hidden side of the moon. This side of Kether is the side that is towards the
Unmanifest, which the nature of our manifested consciousness prevents us from
comprehending, and which must ever be a sealed book to us. But accepting this limitation
we may gaze in contemplation upon the aspect of Kether, the profile of the ancient
bearded king, presented to us reflected downwards into form.
19. Ancient is this king, the Ancient of Ancients, the Ancient of Days, for he was from
the beginning, when countenance beheld not countenance. A king he is, because he rules
all things according to his supreme and unquestioned will. In other words, it is the nature
of Kether that conditions all things, because all things are evolved from it. Bearded he is,
because in the curious symbolism of the rabbis every hair of his beard has significance.
20. The manifestation of the forces of Kether in Briah, the world of archetypal mind, is
said to be through the archangel Metatron, the Prince of Countenances, who tradition
avers was the teacher of Moses. The
Sepher Yetzirah says of the Tenth Path, Malkuth,
that "it causes an influence to flow from the Prince of Countenances, the archangel of
Kether, and is the source of illumination of all the lights of the universe." Thus plainly do
we learn that not only does spirit flow out into manifestation in matter, but matter by its
own energy draws spirit into manifestation, an important point for the Practitioner of
magic, for it teaches him that he is justified
in his operations and that man is not required to wait upon the word of the Lord, but may
call upon God to hear him.
The Origin of the Nagual - Bob May - 08-10-2008
The Qabalah does not conceive of God as fabricating creation stage by stage, but
thinks of the different phases of manifestation as evolving one from another, as if each
Sephirah were a pool which, being filled, overflowed into a lower pool. To borrow again
from MacGregor Mathers, hidden in an acorn is an oak with its acorns, and hidden in
each of these is an oak with
its acorns. So each Sephirah contains the Potentiality of all
that come after it in the scale of downflowing manifestation. Kether contains the rest of
the Sephiroth, nine in number; and Chokmah, the second, contains the potentialities of all
its successors, eight in number. But in each Sephirah only one aspect of manifestation is
unfolded; the subsequent ones remain latent, and the preceding ones are received by
reflection. Each Sephirah, then, is a pure form of existence in its essence; the influence of
preceding phases of evolution is external to it, being reflected. These aspects, as it were,
having been crystallised out in the previous stages, are no longer in solution in the
outfiowing stream of manifestation which ever proceedeth from the Unmanifest through
the channel of Kether. When therefore we want to find the essential nature, the basis of
manifestation, of a particular type of existence, we get it in the Sephirah to which it
corresponds when we meditate upon that Sephirah in its primal form; for there are four
forms, or worlds, under which the Qabalists conceive of the Tree, and these we will
consider in due course. They are only referred to now in order that the student may have
enough background to see his picture in perspective.
13. The student will find it very helpful to refer to the chapters in
The Ancient Wisdom,
by Annie Besant, which deal with the phases of evolution. These throw much light upon
the subject with which we are dealing, though the system of classification is not the same.
14. Let us conceive of Kether, then, as a fountain which fills its basin, and the overflow
therefrom feeds another fountain, which in its turn fills its basin and overflows. The
Unmanifest for ever flows under pressure into Kether, and there comes a time when
evolution has gone as far as it can in the extreme simplicity of the form of existence of
the First Manifest. All possible combinations have been formed, and they have undergone
all possible permutations. Action and reaction are stereotyped, there can be no new
development save the combining of the combinations among themselves. Force has
formed all possible units; the next phase of developrnent is for these units to combine
into more complex structures. When this occurs, a new and more highly organised phase
of existence begins; all that has already been evolved remains, but that which evolves
now is more than the sum of the previously existing parts, for new capacities come into
being.
15. This new phase represents a change of mode of existence. Just as Kether crystallised
out of the Limitless Light, so the second Sephirah, Chokmah, crystallises out of Kether in
this new mode of being, this new system of actions and reactions which have ceased to be
simple and direct and become complex and tangential. We now have two modes of
existence, the simplicity of Kether and the relative complexity of Chokmah; both these
are so simple that no kind of life known to us could he maintained in them ; nevertheless,
they are the forerunners of organic life. We might say that Kether is the first activity of
manifestation, movement; it is a condition of pure becoming, Rashith ha Gilgalim, the
First Swirlings, the commencement of Whirling Motions as it is called by the Qabalists-
Primum Mobile as it is called by the Alchemists. Chokmah, the Second Sephirab, is
called by the Rabbis Mazloth, the Sphere of the Zodiac. Here we have introduced the
concept of the circle with its segments. Creation has moved onwards. Out of the
primordial Egg has developed the Serpent that holdeth his tail in his mouth, as Mme
Blavatsky chronicles in her invaluable storehouses of archaic symbolism, the
Secret Doctrine
and Isis Unveiled.
16. In a similar manner to that in which Kether overflowed into Chokmah does Chokmah
overflow into Binah, the Third Sephirah. The Paths pursued by the Emanations in these
successive overflowings is represented upon the Tree of Life by a Lightning Flash, or in
some diagrams by a Flaming Sword.
It will be observed by reference to diagram I that the Lightning Flash must
proceed from Kether outwards and downwards to the right to reach Chokmah, and then
turns on a level course to the left and proceeds an equal distance beyond Kether upon that
side, and there establishes Binah. The result is a triangular figure upon the glyph, and it is
called the Triangle of the Three Supernals, or the First Trinity and is separated from the
rest of the Sephiroth by the Abyss, which normal human consciousness cannot cross.
Here are the roots of existence, hidden from our eyes.
The Origin of the Nagual - dreamways - 08-10-2008
Bob May wrote:
".....for it teaches him that he is justified in his operations and
that man is not required to wait upon the word of the Lord, but may call upon God to hear him.
But with nagualism, you aren't really calling upon God at all.
The Origin of the Nagual - dreamways - 08-10-2008
1. "There is one last issue related to that world that we haven't discussed. In the final analysis my aversion to the old sorcerers' activities is
very personal. As a nagual, I detest what they did."
The reason Don Juan took it "personally" as a nagual, is because the old sorcerers were his peers, other naguals.
2. " They cowardly sought refuge in the inorganic beings' world."
This is indicates something extremely bad about inorganic beings, but he doesn't say what it is.
3. "They argued that in a predatorial universe, poised to rip us apart, the only possible haven for us is in that realm. They believed that because
it's true. Since the inorganic beings can't lie, the sales pitch of the dreaming emissary is all true. That world can give us shelter and prolong our
awareness for nearly an eternity."
More importantly, the inorganic beings would have to be the greatest power in the entire "predatorial universe" in order to insure a safe
haven to anyone.
4. "When the emissary's sales pitch, even if it's the truth, has no appeal to you, and you are ready to chance a road that might rip you apart,
you will be ready for this one final statement about that world."
Don Juan still doesn't say what's wrong with the inorganic beings.
5. "The most dreadful statement I can make.
Obviously, what's so dreadful about it is self-incriminating, otherwise he would say what it was.
6. "The energy necessary to move the assemblage points of sorcerers comes from the realm of inorganic beings. This is the truth and the legacy of the old
sorcerers to us."
So that would make sorcery an inorganic path.
7. "The inorganic beings have us pinned down to this day. This is the reason I don't like them. I resent having to dip into one source alone.
Personally, I refuse to do it. And I am trying to steer you away from it."
Apparently, praying to God doesn't work for sorcerers.
8. "We can't have dealings with them. And yet we can't stay away from them."
The being that makes sorcerers, what is it?
9. "My solution has been to take their energy but not give into their influence. This is known as the ultimate stalking."
It would be great if he actually spelled out what is so bad about their influence.
10. "It is done by sustaining the unbending intent of freedom, even though no sorcerer knows what freedom really is."
Don't know, or don't want to know?
11. "The reason sorcerers have to take energy from the realm of inorganic beings is because there is no other viable energy for sorcerers."
Without the inorganic beings there is no game.
12. "In order to maneuver the assemblage point in the manner they do, sorcerers need an inordinate amount of energy."
Fortunately, inorganic beings provide an inordinate amount of energy to them.
13. "As I've said, a redeployment of energy is necessary in order to do dreaming . To start dreaming sorcerers need to redefine their premises and
save their energy, but that redefining is valid only to have the necessary energy to set up dreaming."
The true power of sorcerers is inorganic.
14. "To fly into other realms, to see energy, to forge the energy body, et cetera, et cetera, is another matter. For those maneuvers, sorcerers need loads
of dark, alien energy."
Forging the energy body is an inorganic accomplishment.
15. "They take it from the inorganic beings' world by the mere act of going to that world."
Home sweet home.
16. "All the sorcerers of our line have to do this."
The same "line" as the old sorcerers who went there first.
--Don Juan Matus, from The Art of Dreaming
The Origin of the Nagual - grandspeculator - 08-10-2008
Dreamways:
Don Juan was a Nagual. He had only nagual knowledge and practice. Naguals (not shamans, but mexican nagual seers) need the inorganics realm for energetic
boost. Other paths use other sources, unknown to naguals.
Mystics in India, Tibet and the Middle East had (and have) more power than any nagual seer... with the possible exception of the Death Defier.
Most of them totally ignore the existence of the inorganic realm. The price is high in renunciation, but you don't have to sell your soul-energy/life-force
to a subtle entity.
The issue of Don Juan with the inorganics was mainly that he knew that the inorganics are not humanitarians: They want our energy and/or our favours. That much
you know better than anyone here.
He wanted freedom... because of that he resented the fact of needing the inorganics to walk that road. He resented the Death Defier also... an energy vampire
that takes your energy just to give you a power gift that only makes you a bigger indulger.
Don Juan was rather unconfortable with a lot of things of the nagual path yet he didn't knew any other path so he toke it all the way.
If you are a sober stalker dealing with inorganics can help... if you are not, you are on thin ice. Same with people, if you think about it. Then again...
aren't the flyers behind every energy-stealing effort of third parties?