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Under a New Sun - DoktorGreen - 09-06-2008
It is a fact that our species feels they have done major damage to this world. War, planetary destruction via pollution, moral decay, the misguided assumption
of dominion over other species (and other races), divisive cultural and gender edicts, and so on. Here is my take on it.
This realm that we call reality is simply a frequency spectrum. The characteristics of this particular frequency are what they are. It is a realm of dual
energies and friction. That fact (friction) results in aging, decay (moral and material), and a linear perception. The planet is growing older. The species are
all growing older. The elements are growing older. This era is ending. Manifested life is evolving.
Now, we humans and other species are not going to change this frequency (this world we populate).... no matter how hard we try! THIS is the misguided ideal
that we have set for ourselves. What we CAN do is change our personal frequency. Not just little changes that lift us to the higher part of the physical
spectrum... big changes! We can begin to experience finer realms!
We think we are damaging the Earth. That is true, but its the natural result of friction here. She is in the process of shifting to a finer realm as well. She
won't be consciously present in this frequency. Most of us will for a time, but we have a choice. This dualistic, frictious realm will go nowhere. Its up
to us to shift!
There are, at this very moment, slower / lower vibrating realms than this one. We aren't based there, so it doesn't matter to us. The energies /
entities that still dwell in coarser frequencies are in the process of evolving toward THIS realm. We sense them at times; ghosts, evil spirits, channeled
entities, etc. We also refer to lower realms as hell, the lower worlds, etc. Additionally, those of us that still have one foot in a lower frequency speak of
the 'dark side' of humans. They are motivated by self interest. Metaphorically speaking, until they get 'both feet' here, they cannot evolve
further.
It doesn't matter how we learn to shift; dreaming, animal ally, human savant, plant medicine, meta-technique... its all good! BUT it does matter that we DO
it. At the beginning of this current era, we humans (and many other species/plants/elements) evolved to THIS realm! Now, its time to do it again. Sustainable
communities, environmental awareness, loving attitude, harmonious relationships, and inner peace are all SYMPTOMS of the shift! They will never be accomplished
via the will; NEVER! They are the natural result of living Oneness. It is already that way under the New Sun.
Here's the bottom line for me: this world will continue as is, continuing to decay. Its a mathematical fact. Imagine a radio frequency. One doesn't
change the nature of that frequency,... one changes to a better station! We can shift and many already have! Many people offer help. Many Primary Animals are
straddling linear and non-linear realms and offer help. Many Primary Plants have shifted and also offer help.
Once we place one foot factually under the New Sun, we will begin to populate it. Its happening now! Procreating there begets new life that has BOTH feet
planted there! One has no need of any of the requirements of here to procreate there. It is an energetic act! You know this!
Under a New Sun - Bob May - 09-06-2008
Hi Doktor,
Good post!
"Now, we humans and other species are not going to change this frequency (this world we populate).... no matter how hard we try! THIS is the misguided
ideal that we have set for ourselves. What we CAN do is change our personal frequency. Not just little changes that lift us to the higher part of the physical
spectrum... big changes! We can begin to experience finer realms!"
"Here's the bottom line for me: this world will continue as is, continuing to decay. Its a mathematical fact. Imagine a radio frequency. One
doesn't change the nature of that frequency,... one changes to a better station!"
"My kingdom is not of this world."
Under a New Sun - Hawkeye Crow - 09-06-2008
Energy is all there is. Reality is just a description. These , the words of don Juan
Energy does not decay, it is reassigned to other forms. Now , I can create a new description for another world , in fact I see one now, based almost
entirely on renewable resources, at a slower pace of activity. The problem with that is that on a planetary scale , there are also many other beings
creating their descriptions , which certainly overwhelm mine. Those are directed by FI , if I can discern the results. Beings hear only what they want to
hear. Yet, don Juan stated that if humankind is to survive , the teachings if the Nagual, that is , learning to alter perception and expand awareness , for
the individual, is an absolute necessity.
Something else I have been confronted with lately , and came across in The Active Side... was Carlos fretting about his Anthropology classifications and don
Juan's response that such things are 'dead logs ' as compared to a live tree. That is, that expectations seem to fulfill themselves. What you see
is most likely what you will get. If you decide that I am a fool, for instance, the fool in me will always come out in your presence.
George Carlin said what I've always known: The planet isn't dying, and it will still be here long after we are gone.
What is happening is that stupid humanity is committing suicide by 'poisoning the well'.
Under a New Sun - Vrill - 09-09-2008
Dok:
It's true the world as stands right now is not going to change, and will have the effect of grinding it's inhabitants like a slowly ever-turning
millstone, into dust.
I do hold out the dim hope that the World and humanity are evolving. Several times I've the vision that everyone and everything was here by choice and not
by happenstance, and could change their karma by choice, if they so intended.
The world itself is like the Kalachakra, all of the realms are contained within it. Thus by changing our point of view, our worldview, through purifying our
minds not only are we transformed but the world is transformed as well. Or as the Ten Dai school of Buddhism puts it "even the trees and grass become
enlightened". But I see that it's a means for me to transcend the world or at least pull myself higher, not so much change it.
Ram Dass once said, this world is very good at what it does, purifying beings of their karma.
Under a New Sun - Bob May - 09-09-2008
"Thus by changing our point of view, our worldview, through purifying our minds not only are we transformed but the world is transformed as well"
"But I see that it's a means for me to transcend the world or at least pull myself higher, not so much change it."
I think you just answered your own question. All worlds are here, now. To see the world in a better light is to see a higher world.
This of course can be seen in normal everyday life. When we have a better attitude the world seems nicer. But that is just an analogy to demonstrate a
Spiritual reality. "Two shall be in the field one shall be taken, the other left. Two shall be grinding at the mill one taken, the other left.
I don't hold to the idea of "Rapture" as is normally taught by end time literature. I don't think anyone will be disappearing bodily.
What I do think will happen and is happening is that some are "taken up" in the sense that they are experiencing higher realms while others don't
even know anything is happening at all.
That is end times prophecy and has been happening for 2000 years. The only ones who realize it are the ones who it is happening to.
"I do hold out the dim hope that the World and humanity are evolving."
I don't think so. The evidence seems to indicate that humanity as a whole is devolving.
Under a New Sun - DoktorGreen - 09-09-2008
Hi Vrill,
Good thoughts! I have a couple to interject...
DG
Vrill wrote:
Dok:
It's true the world as stands right now is not going to change, and will have the effect of grinding it's inhabitants like a slowly ever-turning
millstone, into dust.
I do hold out the dim hope that the World and humanity are evolving. Several times I've the vision that everyone and everything was here by choice and
not by happenstance, and could change their karma by choice, if they so intended.
The world itself is like the Kalachakra, all of the realms are contained within it. Thus by changing our point of view, our worldview, through purifying our
minds not only are we transformed but the world is transformed as well. Or as the Ten Dai school of Buddhism puts it "even the trees and grass become
enlightened". But I see that it's a means for me to transcend the world or at least pull myself higher, not so much change it.
There is a limited perspective that is widespread and I would like to address it. The idea that "humans" are
here in this tonal is considered fact. Well, it is NOT a fact!! "Humans" are in worlds below and above us! All types of other energy generating
species are, as well!
Since we can only perceive those here, we assume that's it. "Humans" are currently evolving upward and
outward in many, many levels. Life does that everywhere. "Humans" are moving toward THIS realm, just as some here are evolving beyond it. There are
"humans" in those levels we are approaching, too! Same with all primary species. They are being "born" into new worlds all the
time!
Considering that perspective, it becomes easier to realize that it is only one's own awareness that can evolve.....
NOT the species. Not the planet. Not the culture. Taking the step into the New Sun is a monumental step for the man. And it is a monumental step for the
Universe. We (the universal ONE) extend light by becoming en-lightened.
Dok
Ram Dass once said, this world is very good at what it does, purifying beings of their karma.
Under a New Sun - Vrill - 09-09-2008
There is a limited perspective that is widespread and I would like to address it. The idea that "humans" are
here in this tonal is considered fact. Well, it is NOT a fact!! "Humans" are in worlds below and above us! All types of other energy generating
species are, as well!
Since we can only perceive those here, we assume that's it. "Humans" are currently evolving upward and
outward in many, many levels. Life does that everywhere. "Humans" are moving toward THIS realm, just as some here are evolving beyond it. There are
"humans" in those levels we are approaching, too! Same with all primary species. They are being "born" into new worlds all the
time!
Considering that perspective, it becomes easier to realize that it is only one's own awareness that can evolve.....
NOT the species. Not the planet. Not the culture. Taking the step into the New Sun is a monumental step for the man. And it is a monumental step for the
Universe. We (the universal ONE) extend light by becoming en-lightened.
Dok
Yes I agree with that perspective, and not from the intellectual sense, but I've had visions or
direct knowings, about it as well.
One vision I had, the energy of the World appeared like this Pousse Cafe drink of differing levels and densities, with Beings ascending and descending the
levels.
Can anyone else relate to this?
Under a New Sun - Bob May - 09-10-2008
Hi Vrill,
"Yes I agree with that perspective, and not from the intellectual sense, but I've had visions or direct knowings, about it as well.
One vision I had, the energy of the World appeared like this Pousse Cafe drink of differing levels and densities, with Beings ascending and descending the
levels. Can anyone else relate to this?"
I've seen this too in rising on the planes.
And also the story of Jacob's Ladder tells of a vision of a ladder that he saw with angels ascending and descending upon it. This ladder reached from the
earth to heaven.
I've seen something similar but I would say it went through the earth. And the angels were flames of fire like a rainbow but alive. I think it is what don
Juan called the great bands of emanations.
Under a New Sun - seeitall - 09-10-2008
seems there always has to be someone to suffer so that someone else
can get his ass enlightened.
Under a New Sun - Guest - 09-10-2008
Under a New Sun - Bob May - 09-10-2008
Bob I had a vision in which I was cutting your balls and shoving them up your ass...was it real? Or un real? I dunno maybe you can help me figure it
out...
Wait, let me check. ...No, it was unreal they are right where I left them.
Under a New Sun - Hawkeye Crow - 09-13-2008
The book of rules doesn't work too well. Some times the wrong guy gets his balls stuffed , and the bank robber rides out of town with the girl.
Under a New Sun - Guest - 08-21-2019