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Four Natural Enemies - unknow - 06-11-2012
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Four Natural Enemies - unknow - 06-11-2012
Fear
Clarity
Power
Old age
Four Natural Enemies - unknow - 06-11-2012
Fear - Done
What about second..... How... Everyday night repetition knowing ...
Four Natural Enemies - unknow - 06-12-2012
So... when you conquer fear,then you confronted whit clarity,then whit the power and then whit old age.....
In castaneda's book's Huan Matus said when you defet fear,yu get to clarity and 3 and 4...
it like you defet fear and you defet him forever....???
But that dosen't mean that fear or clarity can came again on path of knowledge or it is when
???....
Four Natural Enemies - unknow - 06-12-2012
Another reviews, welcome
Four Natural Enemies - unknow - 06-12-2012
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GOOD STUFF.......and intent until he decides to burnfrom the fire from within. Only then will he die out of his own will, not as aproduct of age taking .. I LIKE THE OF HIS OWN WILL .... THATS WHAT CARLOS MOSTLIKELY DID.... GOOD STUFF..._D L84NOW
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Medicine ManDate:
Apr 14, 2007 7:46 AM
A warriors journey is one who's goal is to reach ultimate levels of awarenessuntill one can burn form the fire from within and retain consciousness after death(basicly similar to the buddhist idea of the final bardo of death and practicingall one's life for that very moment). On this long journey according to Don JuanMatus we have four natural ememies.
The first enemy is fear.
Fear can stop us dead on our tracks of spiritualknowledge. Many people fear the unknown, mainly many people fear themselves.
This is obvious.
How many of us are capable of going off into the jungle by ourselvesto spend a few nights in the wilderness, none the less to take a plant of powerunder this scenario?
The second enemey is clarity.
Once one overcomes fear, clarity becomes the hunter.
The warrior now has knowledgeand intuition, he now knows his place in infinite. He now knows answers to manyquestions.
But knowledge can make the warrior weak, clarity makes the warriorbecome over confident and blind and not be cautious of making mistakes. A warior
becomes the enemy of his own confidence and knowledge.
If one can overcomeclarity, then one goes on to the third ememy, power....
Once a warrior achieves power he becomes as a God.
He has now complete control ofhis will, of his intent, He can now command power to shift into an animal, tolaunch himself over a tree as if he was not of this planet. But as we all know,power can be one's greatest enemy.
With this power must come control andhumbleness, for power can easily be turned against others or for pure ego drivenpurposes. Power can make a warrior forget the purpose of his journey, and neglectit in awe of his abilities..If the warrior is capable of over coming his battle with power, the final enemythen present itselfs, an enemy that will hunt the warrior like prey until the verymoment of death, this enemy is old age.
Old age makes one tired and weak.
One nolonger feels agile, it becomes more difficult to phisically manuver oneself. Thewarrior begins to lose his will, but most importantly, his desire to live! If onelooses the battle to old age, one will become senile, handicap, and thoughtless.Once old age takes a toll one no longer wants to get out of bed, the warrior'sthoughts begin to get disoriented.
A warrior must struggle against this last enemyand live a strong, thoughtfull life, full of energy, action, thought, purpose, andintent until he decides to burn from the fire from within. Only then will he dieout of his own will, not as a product of age taking it's charge on his body, mind,and spirit. Not like a leaf at the mercy of the wind. If the warrior does this,than he has escaped the grip of death, or in other words he has reached God,Heaven, Nirvana, Enlightenment, Infinite Atman, etc, etc...
Four Natural Enemies - unknow - 06-12-2012
Once Again
I am going to teach you the secrets that make up the lot of a man of knowledge. You will have to make a very deep commitment because the training is long and arduous. A man goes to knowledge as he goes to war, wide awake, with fear, with respect, and with absolute assurance. Going to knowledge or going to war in any other manner is a mistake, and whoever makes it will live to regret his steps. When a man has fulfilled those four requisites there are no mistakes for which he will have to account; under such conditions his acts lose the blundering quality of a fool's acts. If such a man fails, or suffers a defeat, he will have lost only a battle, and there will be no pitiful regrets over that. A man of knowledge is one who has followed truthfully the hardships of learning, a man who has, without rushing or without faltering, gone as far as he can in unraveling the secrets of power and knowledge.
To become a man of knowledge one must challenge and defeat his four natural enemies.
When a man starts to learn, he is never clear about his objectives. His purpose is faulty; his intent is vague. He hopes for rewards that will never materialize for he knows nothing of the hardships of learning. He slowly begins to learn- bit by bit at first, then in big chunks. And his thoughts soon clash. What he learns is never what he pictured, or imagined, and so he begins to be afraid. Learning is never what one expects. Every step of learning is a new task, and the fear the man is experiencing begins to mount mercilessly, unyieldingly. His purpose becomes a battlefield.
And thus he has stumbled upon the first of his natural enemies: fear!
A terrible enemy- treacherous, and difficult to overcome. It remains concealed at every turn of the way, prowling, waiting. And if the man, terrified in its presence, runs away, his enemy will have put an end to his quest and he will never learn. He will never become a man of knowledge. He will perhaps be a bully, or a harmless, scared man; at any rate, he will be a defeated man. His first enemy will have put an end to his cravings. It is not possible for a man to abandon himself to fear for years, then finally conquer it. If he gives in to fear he will never conquer it, because he will shy away from learning and never try again. But if he tries to learn for years in the midst of his fear, he will eventually conquer it because he will never have really abandoned himself to it. Therefore he must not run away. He must defy his fear, and in spite of it he must take the next step in learning, and the next, and the next. He must be fully afraid, and yet he must not stop. That is the rule! And a moment will come when his first enemy retreats. The man begins to feel sure of himself. His intent becomes stronger. Learning is no longer a terrifying task. When this joyful moment comes, the man can say without hesitation that he has defeated his first natural enemy. It happens little by little, and yet the fear is vanquished suddenly and fast.
Once a man has vanquished fear, he is free from it for the rest of his life because, instead of fear, he has acquired clarity--a clarity of mind which erases fear. By then a man knows his desires; he knows how to satisfy those desires. He can anticipate the new steps of learning and a sharp clarity surrounds everything. The man feels that nothing is concealed.
And thus he has encountered his second enemy: Clarity!
That clarity of mind, which is so hard to obtain, dispels fear, but also blinds. It forces the man never to doubt himself. It gives him the assurance he can do anything he pleases, for he sees clearly into everything. And he is courageous because he is clear, and he stops at nothing because he is clear. But all that is a mistake; it is like something incomplete. If the man yields to this make-believe power, he has succumbed to his second enemy and will be patient when he should rush. And he will fumble with learning until he winds up incapable of learning anything more. His second enemy has just stopped him cold from trying to become a man of knowledge. Instead, the man may turn into a buoyant warrior, or a clown. Yet the clarity for which he has paid so dearly will never change to darkness and fear again. He will be clear as long as he lives, but he will no longer learn, or yearn for, anything. He must do what he did with fear: he must defy his clarity and use it only to see, and wait patiently and measure carefully before taking new steps; he must think, above all, that his clarity is almost a mistake. And a moment will come when he will understand that his clarity was only a point before his eyes.
And thus he will have overcome his second enemy, and will arrive at a position where nothing can harm him anymore. This will not be a mistake. It will not be only a point before his eyes. It will be true power. He will know at this point that the power he has been pursuing for so long is finally his. He can do with it whatever he pleases. His ally is at his command. His wish is the rule. He sees all that is around him.
But he has also come across his third enemy: Power!
Power is the strongest of all enemies. And naturally the easiest thing to do is to give in; after all, the man is truly invincible. He commands; he begins by taking calculated risks, and ends in making rules, because he is a master. A man at this stage hardly notices his third enemy closing in on him. And suddenly, without knowing, he will certainly have lost the battle. His enemy will have turned him into a cruel, capricious man, but he will never lose his clarity or his power. A man who is defeated by power dies without really knowing how to handle it. Power is only a burden upon his fate. Such a! man has no command over himself, and cannot tell when or how to use his power. Once one of these enemies overpowers a man there is nothing he can do. It is not possible, for instance, that a man who is defeated by power may see his error and mend his ways. Once a man gives in he is through. If, however, he is temporarily blinded by power, and then refuses it, his battle is still on. That means he is still trying to become a man of knowledge. A man is defeated only when he no longer tries, and abandons himself. He has to come to realize that the power he has seemingly conquered is in reality never his. He must keep himself in line at all times, handling carefully and faithfully all that he has learned. If he can see that clarity and power, without his control over himself, are worse than mistakes, he will reach a point where everything is held in check. He will know then when and how to use his power.
And thus he will have defeated his third enemy.
The man will be, by then, at the end of his journey of learning, and almost without warning he will come upon the last of his enemies: Old age!
This enemy is the cruelest of all, the one he won't be able to defeat completely, but only fight away. This is the time when a man has no more fears, no more impatient clarity of mind--a time when all his power is in check, but also the time when he has an unyielding desire to rest. If he gives in totally to his desire to lie down and forget, if he soothes himself in tiredness, he will have lost his last round, and his enemy will cut him down into a feeble old creature. His desire to retreat will overrule all his clarity, his power, and his knowledge. But if the man sloughs off his tiredness, and lives his fate though, he can then be called a man of knowledge, if only for the brief moment when he succeeds in fighting off his last, invincible enemy. That moment of clarity, power, and knowledge is enough.
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Four Natural Enemies - Nagual LoneWolf - 06-12-2012
The last enemy is the worst and the warrior must beware of the mind's decline.
Four Natural Enemies - delawaredan - 06-12-2012
Wow - I never considered this....what happens if a warrior has a physical illness effecting the mind during old age, which causes the inability to obtain freedom upon death.
Four Natural Enemies - unknow - 06-12-2012
Don't know about physical illness...
It intresting this about when you defet one enemy you defet him forever....
is not like in everyday on work or in the caffe,everyday you dealing whit this four enemies
For exemple - you over came fear,and on work came a man trying to kill you...you sould felt fear ?!?!
- two persone talking and you see cleary that one persone laying to another......
-you see a man who is a illusionist doing a really powerfull trick isnt that,taht you have a face it whit power in front of you?!?!
-or see a very old lady example for four enemies
is that the same or ...
Four Natural Enemies - Nagual LoneWolf - 06-13-2012
Exactly Dan...in one's older years there comes a decline of health which can affect the warrior. If he succumbs to dementia or other mental illness he is lost and thus his power should be harvested by another nagual being instead of letting the eagle have it for its consumption.
Four Natural Enemies - quantumshaman - 06-13-2012
Nagual LoneWolf wrote:
Exactly Dan...in one's older years there comes a decline of health which can affect the warrior. If he succumbs to dementia or other mental illness he is lost and thus his power should be harvested by another nagual being instead of letting the eagle have it for its consumption.
Just a thought I'd like to add. I'm not sure that succumbing to dementia or other mental decline as a result of old age will defeat the warrior. Many moons ago, I had an intense revelation while traveling with the mushroom ally. My question was, "What happens if we achieve our awakening at the age of 40 or 50, but become riddled with disease and dementia at 60 or 70?" The response I received was essentially this:
Everything we have experienced or achieved becomes part of the personal matrix - part of your totality. It is stored in the double and can never be taken away or destroyed because of the holographic nature of the universe. So, whatever we learn can never be unlearned, even if our bodies should succumb to Alzheimer's or some other form of mental deterioration. I know and have known, for example, how to make the leap from Self to Double, and the only thing that could take that away from me would be my own Intent.
So while it is always hoped and intended that we do not succumb to "old age", the double is the receptacle of all we have learned and all we know - and because it is made of energy, it can not be destroyed, regardless of what happens to the organic body/mind.
Four Natural Enemies - quantumshaman - 06-13-2012
delawaredan wrote:
Wow - I never considered this....what happens if a warrior has a physical illness effecting the mind during old age, which causes the inability to obtain freedom upon death. I spoke to this briefly in resonse to Lone Wolf, but wanted to add... This is why it's important to exercise impeccability earlier in life rather than later. But physical health aside, it should be noted that it is actually the double who makes the leap to freedom, and as I was saying to NLW, the energy/knowledge/experience we upload to the double during the course of living cannot be destroyed. The double exists beyond the consensual continuum, and must be given the agenda: "When the time comes, do not hesitate." It is, after all, the double who has our wings - IF we have given him/her that agenda.
Four Natural Enemies - delawaredan - 06-13-2012
Thank you - I have recently become aware of my double and the ability to jump from self to double. I can feel my double acquire this new energy as I read all these posts. So a nagual being could help another nagual being connect to the double if dimensia set in. But further, if we harvest the correct intent and charge our double to reach freedom.......one can still reach freedom alone. I would always be willing to help another nagual being achieve freedom if that being needed my assistance.
Four Natural Enemies - quantumshaman - 06-13-2012
delawaredan wrote:
Thank you - I have recently become aware of my double and the ability to jump from self to double. I can feel my double acquire this new energy as I read all these posts. So a nagual being could help another nagual being connect to the double if dimensia set in. But further, if we harvest the correct intent and charge our double to reach freedom.......one can still reach freedom alone. I would always be willing to help another nagual being achieve freedom if that being needed my assistance.
I personally believe from my own experiences that the double is already "past the eagle" if one has done the work of the path impeccably. It would take a lot of words to explain why I believe that, so I'll spare you... heh... but will simply say that some of what CC attributed to "double beings" or "naguals" is available to ANY warrior. For example, in THE EAGLE'S GIFT when CC is relating the feelings he experienced when his nagual woman left with don Juan, and when it was discussed that (I'm paraphrasing) "the nagual woman goes to third attention to serve as a beacon to the new nagual"... I think CC, because he was a so-called 3-prong nagual, could only relate this from his own experience, when the reality may be somewhat different for many/most others.
What NORMALLY "goes to third attention to serve as a beacon" is actually one's own double. Yes, what CC reported is true, too, for some, but it is not EXCLUSIVELY true. Meaning - it isn't *just* the nagual being who experiences this. It is ANY warrior who has successfully created his/her double. For a time, the double walks the path with us. But there comes a moment (no one can say when or why) that the double prjects itself into the third attention, (which is well past the eagle) and from there it serves as a beacon to the warrior still here on Earth. It is through the art of gnosis (or silent knowing) that the double is then dreaming us - i.e., the double is guilding/teaching/luring us back to our Self.
That's the tip of the iceberg, of course, but essentially correct as I have experienced it and as I understand it. Your mileage may vary.
Four Natural Enemies - delawaredan - 06-13-2012
Yes! It all seems quite clear. The beauty is in the simplicity.
Even though I understand why you made the distinction between a nagual being and ANY warrior that has successfully created the double, I would think that ANY warrior able to accomplish this task IS a nagual being.
I am now enjoying envisioning my double in the 3rd attention guiding and teaching me.
Four Natural Enemies - quantumshaman - 06-13-2012
delawaredan wrote:
Yes! It all seems quite clear. The beauty is in the simplicity.
Even though I understand why you made the distinction between a nagual being and ANY warrior that has successfully created the double, I would think that ANY warrior able to accomplish this task IS a nagual being.
Yes - I agree completely! I personally believe that this ability exists within all human beings. I made the distinction largely because I think a lot of CC's "followers" make the distinction, and I wanted to be clear that it isn't some "special ability" reserved for naguals alone. Anyone CAN do it. Most don't - largely because they may not KNOW they can. In my own life, I've found it to be instinctual and compelling. I can't NOT do it because it's in my blood somewhere, somehow. The few times I've tried to walk away from the path, it reaches out from the double's hand to yank me back where I know I belong. It's always been that way for me, as far back as I can remember.
Four Natural Enemies - Nagual LoneWolf - 06-13-2012
QS yes I agree I refer to a general human condition but am aware of the double's intention and its course if the warrior was able to set it up over his life span.
Four Natural Enemies - quantumshaman - 06-13-2012
Nagual LoneWolf wrote:
QS yes I agree I refer to a general human condition but am aware of the double's intention and its course if the warrior was able to set it up over his life span.
Yup - that's the key "to set it up over his lifespan." I meet a lot of new warriors who seem to think the double is a given, automatically just "there". That's the first hurdle - the realization that it's entirely up to US to set it up over the span of our lifetime.
Four Natural Enemies - Gonzo - 06-13-2012
Do you think we are the only life forms on the planet who have doubles?
Four Natural Enemies - quantumshaman - 06-13-2012
Gonzo wrote:
Do you think we are the only life forms on the planet who have doubles?
Not sure whom you're addressing, but my answer would be that every living thing (and probably inorganic beings as well) have the potential to evolve or to be more than the sum of their parts.
I think animals, for example, are more "whole" unto themselves in the first place. Zero (my weenie dog) doesn't have to go to extreme machinations to know who she is. She just IS. She doesn't stress over impeccability or dreaming or stalking. She just lives each moment as if it might be her last, and in doing so... she creates herself outside of time. It's unfortunate that humans treat animals like second class citizens. In many ways, they are quite superior to their 2-legged counterparts.
Four Natural Enemies - Guest - 06-13-2012
Gonzo wrote
o you think we are the only life forms on the planet who have doubles?Great Question G, what doyou think?
Four Natural Enemies - delawaredan - 06-13-2012
I think there are nagual beings in every species known and unknown, so therefore, they would have doubles.
Four Natural Enemies - Nagual LoneWolf - 06-14-2012
As Dan The Man says....
Four Natural Enemies - Guest - 06-14-2012
delawaredan wrote:I think there are nagual beings in every species known and unknown, so therefore, they would have doubles.
So it's your view that only nagual beings have a double?