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The Labyrinth of Penumbra - docta lee - 02-18-2010
Hello AllAs written in the Art of dreaming DJ tells Carlos of the THE LABYRINTH OF PENUMBRA
Where in which the "Inorganic beings as hollow canes bound together like the cells of our bodies"
Have any of you been to the spongy dark world through dreaming?
I myself have not but something is definitely happing to me in dreaming which is more powerful than ever before.
When i saw the inorganic beings the first time i can remember (with the white porcelain faces) they have left me with something?
I must have been seeing them all my life.
(edit: changed all caps in title)
The Labyrinth of Penumbra - Blue totem - 02-18-2010
Sure Docta, I go and barbecue with those guys every sunday.
The Labyrinth of Penumbra - Nagual LoneWolf - 02-19-2010
Yes, a world I have been to since childhood. There are some there who know all of you through this site.
The Labyrinth of Penumbra - Eilias123 - 02-20-2010
Yeah when i was around 12. I dreamed of being on a beach and falling into a hole. inside the hole there was no gravity, many tunnels, I got lost in it. In some places where the tunnels led I experienced sensations beyond description. Some pleasant, some not so pleasant, and still otehrs i couldn't tell you. I got lost and it took me hours to navigate out of it. when i arrived back on the beach there was a woman there who looked sickly, like she had been drained of much energy. Later when i read Castaneda I knew that the place i went to in that dream was just my perception of an inorganic labyrinth.
The Labyrinth of Penumbra - Guest - 02-20-2010
my experiences have been like eilias'. i have been there a handful of times - both lucid and not. i'm not as solid as i ought to be in dreaming, so when i wind up there what i see is just projection. it always shows up as a deep, dark and immense space full of hallways, tunnels, or train tracks. there is a feeling of electricity in the air and there is also an element of the dream that usually glows or involves a very beautiful and colored bright light. if you dream a lot with the inorganic beings, there's a definite "stamp" on the dream tone. my last visit was last week:
i wound up in an underground railway system. a man i was with was trying to show me how to jump along the walls of the tunnels. it was all metal and slippery and i was afraid of getting hurt. he said i had to get over that, and that it was much easier that i thought. i asked him what would happen if a train came through, and he said that we ought to flatten ourselves against the tunnel wall. he said it was a challenge, a total rush. i jumped down into the tunnels with him and began jumping/climbing all over. just as he said, it got easier as i went, and it felt fantastic. i felt like i got stronger, bolder, each time i jumped and touched the tunnel. i went faster and faster, and found that if i didn't think about what i was doing, i was perfectly safe. a train was coming, and i hugged my body to the wall. it felt amazing. then, we heard someone on the ground above. the man i was with said that we had to go where "they" couldn't see us. i asked him where, and he pointed down. as i looked down, i could see that the tunnels went on and on, layered below one another into the deep. there was an immense attraction for me to go further. as i looked below me at the lower tunnels, i could almost hear and feel a sound of some sort that was very attractive.... when we came out of the tunnels, i had to scrape my shoes on a scraper to demonstrate to someone who was apparently a "leader" of some kind how much contact i had had with the tunnel. the gunk that came off my shoes was thick, oily, and colorful. the leader guy was extremely happy because i had so much of it on my shoes. at this point in the dream is when i started to feel like i had done this before.....
The Labyrinth of Penumbra - docta lee - 02-22-2010
wow thanks for sharing.
Love reading your experience mothsdream!
The Labyrinth of Penumbra - Guest - 02-22-2010
anytime.
i didn't realize until recently that you could go there without being lucid - but it happens - especially if you are on friendly terms with those guys...they just come and boost you, lucid or not, into their world. it's better to be lucid, in my understanding... this way you can "get" something out of the journey. otherwise, they're pretty much feeding off your charge without giving anything back in return.
The Labyrinth of Penumbra - Datura - 02-23-2010
Hello
I read The Art of Dreaming so I know about those dark tunnels. I didn't know that some of you actually got to see them...
This is me and my friends... Hello from Japan! =)
The one with the puppet is my itoko (cousin) and I'm the one with the white coat.
Sayonara subete no hito!
The Labyrinth of Penumbra - Death Defier - 02-24-2010
Hi Datura!
The Labyrinth of Penumbra - docta lee - 02-24-2010
Wow nice photo Datura, you are so cute!
Hello from Canada!
The tunnels....I'll get there or maybe I already have and just don't remember.
The Labyrinth of Penumbra - Eilias123 - 02-24-2010
Ohayo, konnichiwa, Konbanwa. Or whatever time of day it is... welcome!
The Labyrinth of Penumbra - Guest - 02-25-2010
Almost all people go there in that world well most unwillingly thus sensation of heaviness insecurity and lack of dreaming body control. Those in there offer gifts but always always want something in return so one foolish enough to deal for something even if he/she goes in many times is very costly. They feed on the desire to know, they feed on all the desires of humans so the person if weak is made to return over and over again until their dreaming body is a total mess. Of course that can be repaired if the person is able to clean the dreaming body otherwise the slime will end up hurting their energy body next their physical body. The leader guy is always very happy when he traps another willing one. Before you go there try lo learn to clean a dreaming body, even and energy body perhaps for that makes the layers of ones cocoon split.
This is an advice for whomever has the need to go there. For future trips consult guide of the Amduat Mesket the land of those whom i call Shedim, also a guide of dreaming body configuration i think Dreamways has quite good ones, even energy body configurations. Also consult as many healing books as you can cause it is difficult to fix. The ap movement is highly unstable after a thing like this and one may end up hurting the physical body.
Welcome Datura, nice pics. You are a lovely being.
The Labyrinth of Penumbra - docta lee - 02-25-2010
Thank you PerSyd
Hey did you send that item to me?...no rush though ok
Thanks
The Labyrinth of Penumbra - Guest - 02-25-2010
Not yet, i am sorry i am awfully busy with my practice, by the time i leave my work the post office is closed, very many sick kids due to the winter flu. But i will as soon as i can do you want instructions on using them too? I can teach you get the slime off. Well i will send you pm by the time i manage to send it ok?
The Labyrinth of Penumbra - Guest - 02-25-2010
i believe this place is the catch-22 of sorceric dreaming. if you want to exercise your will and learn how to focus intent, the easiest way is through dreaming. you can only get so far in dreaming without brushing with the inorganic world. the warriors way comes in handy for us here because it reprograms us at a basic level - a level which will carry over into dreaming and give the sober control needed under the influence of the inorganics. if you want to dream further than human lucid dreaming, you have to deal with them at least marginally.
persyd makes a good warning - the inorganic beings feed on energy discharges which can be triggered easily through our emotions. i don't think it's the safest place to go if you have no self control.
The Labyrinth of Penumbra - Guest - 02-26-2010
If you are a dreamer perhaps Mothsdream it is easier in dreaming to learn to focus your will for a stalker is easier in real life. The warriors way yet it is correct but dealing at any level with he inorganic is costly. They may teach many things like: taking another one's dreaming body even energy body but the price they ask is energy of the one's requesting it. It is not emotions they feed on so much but of the fight to keep oneself without any in their world it's called hidden and visible intent. What i mean in self control is not the same as what you mean, anyway they still know which human is which by smelling their genitalia, but they lie that they don't if you do not see them from the moment you get there you are without control already just you don't know it. You asked them for inorganic knowledge, Mothsdream that is why i replied, and your dreaming body is a huge dreaming mess but you are so self confident that you just have to see for yourself what happens. Good luck on your future travels for they have marked you already as their prey.
The Labyrinth of Penumbra - Death Defier - 02-26-2010
FYI: Passing by the inorganic realm is part of the nagual discipline that aims for the development of the double. Obsession with that place, relying heavily in the boost of the inorganic realm, etc it's nothing more than a extremely dangerous indulgence.
I would say that the greatest test of the modern warrior is leaving all his/her allies and sources of energetic boosts aside for a while. If his/her power wanes, it means that the sorcerer is less than impeccable and should review all his/her conducts.
Boosts are useful and necessary in many stages of the path, but depending on them means that something(s) is(are) left undone in terms of impeccability.
The Labyrinth of Penumbra - Guest - 02-26-2010
wow. i don't really understand the pouncing as i was simply agreeing with you, persyd.
the reason for my post was to make it clear to those people who have not been to that world that it is not possible to learn how to dream without brushing up with the inorganic beings. many people want to practice dreaming with the caveat that they don't want to meet up with the inorganics. i'm not judging what the inorganic beings do or how they do it - i cannot pretend to understand it because i am human. i just wanted to make it clear that you can't eliminate them entirely from your reality if you want to work past a certain point in dreaming. you don't have to become morbidly obsessed with them either, for that matter. before you start throwing judgement around, why don't you take a nice deep breath?
The Labyrinth of Penumbra - Guest - 02-26-2010
before i begin, docta lee, i want to apologize for turning this thread into an ugly place for a moment.
persyd - you have been bullying people around here with your vain and self-righteous attitude for long enough, hiding behind the "impeccable warrior" excuse that has covered the transgressions of morally debase people the world over. i have seen you attack race, religion, emotion, and intelligence. it's about time someone pulled your plug. i am just as selfish and foolish as the next person, but at least i don't come out swinging for no reason. you seem to take an ugly pleasure in putting people down in favor of your own untouchable experience -which, by the way, no one has any reason to value over their own. has it never occurred to you that many - including me - are here to learn from you? if you were just a little bit less insecure, you wouldn't feel the need to rub our noses in our own faults with a constant and arrogant insistence. if you can trample all over people with the unapproachable excuse of being a great warrior, then so can all of us.
The Labyrinth of Penumbra - Guest - 02-26-2010
Before being too judgemental Mothsdream i am not lying, i am breathing just fine thanks for your concern. I did not say anything of getting rid of nothing but still take your own advice. But i have noticed you wear another persons dreaming body you are nagual of awareness and you wear a nagual of wilts dreaming body and you covered it in inorganic slime it looks like green and black slob all over you. Also if you look carefully in the mirror just in case you care about yourself and you see something perhaps you will notice that two broken ombilical fibers are in your liver, one in your chest and one in your head, that is how i know what you dealt for. Sorry i was just trying to be nice don't be so jumpy. I thought perhaps you cannot see yourself and i tried to help good luck since you see god intent as bad.
Another thing if you think that telling one to his/her face the truth is bullying fine by me it is. I was also trying to find out what i ever did to you since i barely replied on your thread just to be nice and welcome you that you went to Wolf and bitched about it. A warrior if he/she has something to say says it to him/her who did it but as i see it took you some months before you managed to post your opinion. Before you accuse think twice and better have arguments otherwise everybody will see nothing warrior, also speak just for yourself as warrior friendly advice.
PS Post Scripum i have to re-edit since I just saw this:
it's about time someone pulled your plugPulling the plug medical term is to "put someone in vegetable state to death", do you wish such for me and i am the "bully"?
it never occurred to you that many - including me - are here to learn from you?How can you be honest in your claim that you would like to learn from me when previously you posted such?
Since i am apparently a vegetable good to be put to death how on this Earth do you imagine anyone not necessarily me would believe in anything you post before and after?
if you were just a little bit less insecureI am not insecure i am many things but this one perhaps are you?
It saddens me deeply that you are so insecure you have a death wish on my name. I am sorry you are such more sorry then you'll even know i never wish ill on anyone but you do. So better get a life and hate less.
if you can trample all over people with the unapproachable excuse of being a great warrior, then so can all of usIn order to make one feel one trampled you need more then the wish to do so. It needs knowledge, real one, regardless of the field of expertise and power to make the others feel you are a "great warrior". In case you could have you would have but you don't for all you have is nothing but insecurity, lame excuses of not knowing enough, ill intent, and dirt in your heart as well as you dreaming body, sad you are a very sad being.
My extensive reediting is due to the fact i saw that both posts are addressed to me personally.
The Labyrinth of Penumbra - Guest - 02-28-2010
Do not PM me Mothsdream unless i request it personally where i come from public things are dealt with in public. I might actually have a life and not so much time to discuss dunno what excuses where there too for i just deleted it. For future knowledge : i am not how you imagine i am actually i just figured no one has any idea. Also nasty things like willing another dead have a very nasty rebound.
The Labyrinth of Penumbra - Guest - 03-01-2010
thank you for proving my point, persyd: you like to tell others what their problems are and you seem to think that you have the right to call your own opinion the truth. when the same treatment is applied to you, you obviously don't like it either. you are predictable, persyd, with the temperament of a spoiled child
who throws tantrums when she feels slighted. you prefer to be ruthless
because you think it is the hallmark of a warrior. you forget to
balance yourself and to learn to be patient.
your hotheadedness leads you to misunderstand things easily. i do not hate you, nor do i wish you dead. i certainly don't like you, nor do i respect you, but indeed i can still learn from you. we can all learn from everyone. it's your own shortcoming that you seem to feel "learning" implies that one has to kneel at another's feet and receive their teachings as truth. there are many kinds of learning. isn't mediation learning? isn't studying human interaction learning? i seem to have offended you by not addressing some unsolicited advice you apparently directed at me when you know nothing about me. the fact is, i wasn't even talking to you when you became upset. this is an open forum, not just your own soapbox.
i certainly won't pm you anymore - i only did it in an attempt to
answer lingering questions you have, and to keep the thread clear of
more of our argument. it seems you prefer an audience. what a surprise.
i'll leave it like this: if you have questions and you'd like to clear them up and reconcile, i'm happy to discuss them with you over pm - just to keep the forum clutter-free. consider this an attempt to create an accord with you.
The Labyrinth of Penumbra - dreamgirl - 03-02-2010
Hello Everyone,
I took some time away from this forum (or any forum for that matter), but, now I feel I have more energy and more to offer. It got to be that I would come here and just read a few posts and feel drained, and not make any comments or anything. Not that the posts were draining, but I just had no more to say, so I took some time off, not with any real intent behind it, like saying that I was not going to visist Shamanic Warrior, I just gradually stopped going online. During this time off I have done a lot of inner work through automatic writing, painting, meditation, and much soul searching.
The reason I post here is that a few months ago, while still very active here, I was having a few dreams of an underground railway system, mostly I was wandering around with a few others and I remember a man being around who would give me directions. I can't help but realize this was that realm that this thread is about. I must have reached the limits of my energetic capacities, or just a limit of some kind. The reason I say this is because I started to have dreams of water and lots of ocean animals, even tsunami's. Perhaps this watery realm of my dreams is an expression of my need to go inward and remove old energetic blocks, sort of cleaning up the subconscious, a recapitulation.
My question is this: Do any of you have any associations with a watery realm in dreaming, and do you connect it with the subconscious?
The Labyrinth of Penumbra - Guest - 03-03-2010
hi dreamgirl
i have frequent dreams involving lots of water. this often includes huge tsunamis or visions of aftermaths of catastrophic water events. i have dreamt of major US cities flooded by water. i do believe that these dreams are related to my personal subconscious, or even my personal subconscious receiving information from the larger unknown. i normally don't detect any outside influence within these dreams. their tone seems totally my own.
i'm not sure if i associate these dreams with inner states because of an intuitive feeling or because i read over and over that the water element is associated with emotions. when i do have these dreams, i will try to do a little soul-searching to see if there's some deep emotion that is threatening to overwhelm me - like a tidal wave - that i might not pay attention to in waking life. i also look at the kind of water - is it small like a lake or huge like an ocean? is it still or is it flowing, churning, etc.... colors, feelings, anything may give you an indicator of what is going on. when you go back into the dream in a meditative state, how does it make you feel? does that feeling seem familiar - like it's attached to something else?
these are all things i ask myself when i encounter this kind of water-dream. i know, in my own water dreams, very often my family members are with me. this isn't common for me in other dreams, so i definitely feel there is an emotional element present for me in those episodes.
The Labyrinth of Penumbra - Death Defier - 03-03-2010
dreamgirl wrote:Hello Everyone,
My question is this: Do any of you have any associations with a watery realm in dreaming, and do you connect it with the subconscious?Hi Dreamgirl. Hope you are doing well. Watery realm is one of the ways the Inorganic Realm is interpreted by the mind. Tribal Shamans call that realm the "Underwater World" and Inorganics are called the "Underwater People".
Never been there myself. I passed until I was more energetically "whole". It is, still, a necessary transit.