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The mists of dragonlore - Littlepaw - 06-25-2014
I was reading a post by Serloco and was reminded of this concept. I read the introduction of the book, The mists of dragonlore by Theun Mares and found it to be as I always find Theuns writing, to the point and rather awesome. I include it here as a whim, perhaps just so I end up reading it again.
As a result of feedback received from the readers of the firsttwo books, it is necessary to point out that not all Toltecs arethe same, nor is every person who is apprenticed to theWarrior's Path necessarily Toltec. However, considering thefact that Toltecs have been solitary birds for an awfully longtime, it is hardly surprising that the world at large knows verylittle, if anything at all, about us and our activities. In fact,some of those few who have heard of us have more or lesscome to think of us as nothing more than a myth, whilst someothers, that is, those who have come to know about usthrough the books written by Carlos Castaneda, tend to lookupon us as being sorcerers. It is indeed undeniably true thatCarlos Castaneda, as well as the other current writers whoclaim to be associated with the content of the Castanedabooks, all portray the Toltec tradition in terms of the practicesof sorcery. And yet, the true Toltec is not a man or a womanwho indulges in those pursuits of sorcery that are todayengendering so much curiosity.
Toltecs are men and women of knowledge, and although ourknowledge would not be complete if we did not also have aknowledge of sorcery, I must stress that the practices of sorceryform only a tiny fragment of the full extent of our knowledge.Furthermore, true toltecs know that sorcery does not leadpeople to freedom, but instead leads to their continuingenslavement.
The mists of dragonlore - Littlepaw - 06-25-2014
which begs the question if sorcery does not lead people to freedom what does?
The mists of dragonlore - serloco - 06-25-2014
All that is is a form of awareness that does not see sorcery. Sorcery is about the intended control of awareness to form the perception of that awareness. Seeing is to see awareness purely for what it is. The essence of reality, and the ability to intend any awareness into your perception. If you intend to yourself the cursed form that Theun tried to pass to you, then you will receive that form of awareness. But with pure awareness you wouldn't do that would you? See I can call it sourcery, and see that the source of reality can be made into anything and everything. That is my awareness and not Theun's. I can see that sorcery is not only the seeing of actual reality as it is, but also the willful control of awareness. The art of stalking awareness seeks to discover any and all forms of awareness and does not hold to a position that can be tied down as theun suggests it can. How can it when sorcery is not just the study of one form of awareness, but that study of awareness itself and all its forms, movements? Thus to say that sorcery is cursed is really to examine one position of cursed awareness. Sorcery teaches you how to move in and out of any form you can intend, and so why with my sorcery would I move into a curse?
You merely do not see what sorcery really is, and would find yourself in a cursed position of reality if you followed Theun. But alas, sorcery actually teaches you how to see this, and leads to actual freedom, and so his curse would only be applied if you followed his awareness of sorcery that he has to teach, and not don Juan's. Besides like I said you intend awareness to you when you stalk awareness, and so you would be a fool to intend the awareness you speak of. You just know nothing really. With seeing there is no doubt.
the truth is that your hero doesn't really see what sorcery really is, and is not a seer. and yet you follow him blindly. good luck.
The mists of dragonlore - serloco - 06-25-2014
its like Lujan who just sent me a message that says "pesticides in the food" because he does not see the pure form of his awareness and his intent. he can't see the position of assemblage of reality, and is fooled into aligning curses into his reality. while speaking to everyone the message of freedom that his path is supposed to lead to. a freedom that he is supposed to be able to see.. its a joke to me, and i laugh at people like them, you, and theun
i could return a curse of my own if was inclined, and return the favor, and mine would be much greater then these ones, but the complete ignorance (lack of awareness) is a curse already
its sad when people try so hard and yet never find the power to activate the real awareness of the teachings
and then turn around curse the way and those in it for their own lack of power
The mists of dragonlore - serloco - 06-25-2014
you curse from your pity
The mists of dragonlore - Littlepaw - 06-25-2014
Dear Serloco
I think there is more to life than intentionally controlling awareness this seems like a real underestimation or underassesment I find talking to people a big challenge and I dont think sorcery really makes a difference , I think it is safe to say that we all find people challenging but perhaps only Warriors really learn to see it that way.
I understand that many great things can be accomplished by being a sorcerer but I think Don Juan was always telling Carlos that the second attention was like a training ground for the third attention and that sorcery was a dead end path which leads nowhere!
When you say cursed form are you talking about enslavement? Im not sure if I see enslavment as a curse, In the movie Gladiator Maximous the Roman general was demoted to slave status and had one hell of a ride out of it so much so it killed him! I know its just a movie but he was still a slave.
When you say '' Thus to say that sorcery is cursed is really to examine one position of cursed awareness '' you are actually asking me to imagine one position of cursed awareness, why would I want to do that? And you might be right that examining one position of cursed awareness is the reason for our continual enslavement.
Are you feeling cursed? why would you want to move in to a curse? Perhaps it has a funky rhythm?! a beat to grove to and a melody (hi hats and a cymbal) ?
I do follow Theun or at least have read his books. I think if I were to ask you if you think I am cursed you would clearly have to say yes but do you know this for positive? Is this what your seeing tells you?
I followed castaneda blindly but Theuns writings I actually put in to practice and am able to talk to all kinds of interesting people with passion, suprise, discovery and respect. Perhaps I have not displayed these qualities to you but it does happen from time to time.
I feel that your post is a bit hostile and I wonder if this might be because I have acted badly toward you in the past. Im sorry for that, also I estimate that not much gets done when tempers are high : (
Take care
Little paw
The mists of dragonlore - Daraawiish - 06-25-2014
Littlepaw wrote:which begs the question if sorcery does not lead people to freedom what does?
Happiness, simplicity, well-beign.
Everything is magic.
The mists of dragonlore - serloco - 06-25-2014
Littlepaw wrote
ear SerlocoI think there is more to life than intentionally controlling awareness this seems like a real underestimation or underassesment I find talking to people a big challenge and I dont think sorcery really makes a difference , I think it is safe to say that we all find people challenging but perhaps only Warriors really learn to see it that way.
I understand that many great things can be accomplished by being a sorcerer but I think Don Juan was always telling Carlos that the second attention was like a training ground for the third attention and that sorcery was a dead end path which leads nowhere!
When you say cursed form are you talking about enslavement? Im not sure if I see enslavment as a curse, In the movie Gladiator Maximous the Roman general was demoted to slave status and had one hell of a ride out of it so much so it killed him! I know its just a movie but he was still a slave.
When you say '' Thus to say that sorcery is cursed is really to examine one position of cursed awareness '' you are actually asking me to imagine one position of cursed awareness, why would I want to do that? And you might be right that examining one position of cursed awareness is the reason for our continual enslavement.
Are you feeling cursed? why would you want to move in to a curse? Perhaps it has a funky rhythm?! a beat to grove to and a melody (hi hats and a cymbal) ?
I do follow Theun or at least have read his books. I think if I were to ask you if you think I am cursed you would clearly have to say yes but do you know this for positive? Is this what your seeing tells you?
I followed castaneda blindly but Theuns writings I actually put in to practice and am able to talk to all kinds of interesting people with passion, suprise, discovery and respect. Perhaps I have not displayed these qualities to you but it does happen from time to time.
I feel that your post is a bit hostile and I wonder if this might be because I have acted badly toward you in the past. Im sorry for that, also I estimate that not much gets done when tempers are high : (
Take care
Little paw
You can think what you want. but don Juan clearly stated in my teachings, in which I could not see at the time, like you, that the path of an impeccable waarior leads to freedom. And from studying this way, and trusting hid teachings, I not only learned to see what sorceryy is, but awareness itself, intent and will, power. You say don Juan said that the path leads nowhere, which means you are focusing on a negative and missing the point of the teaching.
You then call me a hypocrite and say I am dping the same as you, when I say look at the cursed awareness. But you are again a self-important fool. I am not giving you cursed awareness, as you as passing to me and beleiving without seeing. I am telling you to look that if you have a curesed awareness, as you do, and an intent to fail, as you do, then you have merely set your intent to fail, and then pass this intent into the path pf sorcery. Which is a cursed you have formed through not actually seeing sorcery for what it is. The basic element of seeing energy directly, awareness, and intent and will, and perception, and the intent to see Infinity, gaze eternoty, and learn all of the universe and everything in it while not being stuck to one way or form, is the best practice for leading to freedom. In which al of don Juans teachings lead to. Evil tried to twist truth, your self-importance tried to objuscate the truth you don't see. In actuality Little Paw you are just a weak person, and you know not only nothing about sorcery or even have awareness of the teachings and what they do. You can't see how total awareness leads to freedom, and you then try to say I said that "I like to be cursed", but you are really dimwit, cannot see your own self-importance and twist the truth to make yourself right and better.
You then try to place hostily into me where there is none. Do I like the black magic of people like you? No I don't, and I see them and judge them for it yes.
If there is more tpo life then intentionally controlling awareness then that just means their is more to be aware of dumby. You can't even see what awareness is related to what you say yet you attack the path of awareness. Like I said you know very little beyond yourself.
Se nother example of your self-importance and falure to see what is actual, failing to look beyond yourself to see the truth. You say my seeing telling me that you are cursed and I am wrong, but I see you are full of self-importance, evil lies, and an awareness that not see energy nor awareness, nor many things, and you do not possess awareness of curses. THAT is the curse I SEE. But you could never know that because you see what your self-importance brings into your 'mind'.
Yes you follwoed don Juan blindly and it got you no-where. I agree, like I see, you then left it and learned nothing from it, then returned not only failing to see it but forming awareness and beleving that it leads nowhere and not to freeodm. You enjoyed this teaching because it made you feel like the path failed and not you.
Now go ahead and miss all of what I say again only to protect yourself, and twist what I really say in order to attack me., and perceive from your self-importance.
You go ahead and get your knowledge of enslavement and freedom from your Gladiator movies, I will get it from my life, and the seeing of the forces around me, and in everything, in order to gain actual awareness from seeing and will continue on my path of freedom.
I hope your path is all you want out of it. And gives you what you seek.
The mists of dragonlore - serloco - 06-25-2014
I said to you in your enough power thread '' I just wanted you to see how it feels, how it looks, when someone does what you do to people.''
In which you replied "Like I give a s***"
So let me guess your actions again are really trying to help people right? The people you care about and are open to helping right? And are not merely for your own benefit eh? You who do not care if you hurt people, and how your actions effect the world around you.
I have been all around this incredible universe in nerly countless different positions of awareness. And let me tell you something that seer has learned. When I enter into realms that are made from heavenly awareness, and where everyone has open eyes that can see anything, even well beyond me, they would not let me stay in their world if I has an energy like yours. An energy that is blind, closed, and only willing to help or listen to himself. Only willing to look at himself and not understand others, nor willing to the work in order to change this negative quality within yourself, to make something more positive in it's place. It's called stalking awareness you should try it sometime.
The mists of dragonlore - Daraawiish - 06-26-2014
serloco wrote:
I said to you in your enough power thread '' I just wanted you to see how it feels, how it looks, when someone does what you do to people.''
In which you replied "Like I give a s***"
So let me guess your actions again are really trying to help people right? The people you care about and are open to helping right? And are not merely for your own benefit eh? You who do not care if you hurt people, and how your actions effect the world around you.
Self have been all around this incredible universe in nerly countless different positions of awareness. And let self tell self something that self has learned. When self enter into realms that are made from heavenly awareness, and where self has open eyes that can see anything, even well beyond self, self would not let self stay in its world if self has an energy like self. An energy that is blind, closed, and only willing to help or listen to self. Only willing to look at self and not understand self, nor willing to the work in order to change this negative quality within self, to make something more positive in it's place. It's called stalking awareness you should try it sometime.
That is sad.
I do not know if this fiber was addressed to self, but I did followed it's advice, even thou after the proccess and the conclusion made from the act, it seems contraproductive and pointless, nonetheless elucidating atleast for self.
Or more likely self knows nothing about stalking self.
The mists of dragonlore - serloco - 06-26-2014
Listen to what the man has to say, look at the path they are handing to you, and see what it is to become in his eyes, where it goes, and what is points to. If you like what man has shown you then follow it and enter into it, because he is giving you HIS perception, his awareness, and the power he has to offer you. But if you do not like the path offered by the man of evil, then do not listen to it, do not follow it. And seek another way. For if you invest your faith, power and trust, into a dark path of man, then you will enter exactly to where he is trying to lead you. Look at him closely, and see the awareness and path he is offering you, and make your own decision. You must set your intent and will into this way, or another, and do so by accepting it, trusting it, and following it. If the man is pooping all over the place and seeking to destroy and curse, and remain blind, then you will to by following him. It is right there, in the energies he presents to you, the way he offers.
The mists of dragonlore - serloco - 06-26-2014
don Juan states a man of infinity follow Infinity, and does not attach himself, his eyes, and way, to the ways of man. He follows his own eyes, his own way, and his gaze is set to Infinity. Detach from the evil ways ways of man, and seek only freedom.
The mists of dragonlore - Daraawiish - 06-26-2014
Evil does not exist, only life and death does.
The mists of dragonlore - serloco - 06-26-2014
Daraawiish wrote:Evil does not exist, only life and death does.
There is power in what you say, but not truth. If you can enter into a world where you judge no evil that is good. I tried to do that to, and found many great worlds, But I also found i was wrong and started to learnwhat eveil really is. truth is not evil, but evil exists, just like I could attack an innocent man and make him into a monster if I wanted to. I could take the truth of freedom and turn it into a lie, distort it, and steal people's power if I wanted to. And all of these actions within me would be crete by the evil that is within me, which is really just a manipulation of what is true, if you choose to examine it and discover what leads to evil actions.
The mists of dragonlore - Daraawiish - 06-26-2014
Yes, but there is no good neither.
The mists of dragonlore - serloco - 06-26-2014
there is much 'goodness' in many worlds. and yet there are worlds with no awareness of goodness nor of evil. however the energy generating universe, is in twp parts, energy giving (positive generating energy) and energy taking away (negative generating energy). Together these two forces create and destroy all things, making freedom and every possible form of Infinity. It is the perpetuation of awareness into Infinity. The truth is that these forces are not really negative at all, but evil twists the truth to make them into lies, and many evil things. But the truth of reality is all things.
The mists of dragonlore - Daraawiish - 06-26-2014
Only certitude in infinity is that nothing is certain, taking infinity seriously.
The mists of dragonlore - serloco - 06-26-2014
No there is no-doubt. There is pure awareness, and there is absolute knowing. This is because one learns to see directly reality that is around them, and thus know what it is. If you can build this awareness, and instead deny it's existence, you will be denying truth that has been perverted into a lie. If however you can explore this awareness you will discover it. Seek and you will find. Seek for fault and will find fault, seek for perfection and you will find perfection. Deny that perfection exists, and you only deny yourself the experience of perfection. Seek only in yourself and you will never be free of yourself. Cohesion of awareness can make the essence of reality, that is all things, can become anything, into any way, any truth, and yet the absolute essence of truth, will set you free.
The mists of dragonlore - Daraawiish - 06-26-2014
Inner reservoir of beign does not imply self as self is bound stationed within outer world.
Freedom only sets free, absolute freedom does not exists in its absolutiveness of achievability,
because if it would be absolute it would not be freedom that always sets free as it would rather become concrete position.
Simply said that means pathless path, that is about leaving dissolving illusions as that is what reality always will be;letting go.
This is not about doubt nor insecuritz, but about beign willing to die symbolically, which beckons freedom and leaves mind behind.
The mists of dragonlore - serloco - 06-26-2014
Daraawiish wrote:Inner reservoir of beign does not imply self as self is bound stationed within outer world.
Freedom only sets free, absolute freedom does not exists in its absolutiveness of achievability,
because if it would be absolute it would not be freedom that always sets free as it would rather become concrete position.
Simply said that means pathless path, that is about leaving dissolving illusions as that is what reality always will be;letting go.
This is not about doubt nor insecuritz, but about beign willing to die symbolically, which beckons freedom and leaves mind behind.
No you are seeing only one perception of what freedom is. The ability to free yourself from one thing into another. That is ony part of what freedom brings. Total freedom is to do anything you want, including knowing anything you want to know of, and have the total freedom of all things of Infinity.
Please do not quote my quotes and then change them into your own words and awareness. That is NOT my quote, nor what I said I am aware of. If someone reads a quote from myself, and my own awareness, they should not be reading what your awareness tried to make me into. DO you not agree., I went to check this thread again and found your post was removed. and that is good. But do not quote me again and change my words into yours. That is a misuse of truth.
If you do not want to seek and discover total freedom then that is your choice to make.
The mists of dragonlore - serloco - 06-26-2014
I know your post is gone now, but what i ask of you is not.
(for people reading this thread, he quoted me and then changed the words in my quote to make it appear that i was saying something else, how he perceived of what I said relating to his own awareness, which is not mine, and I hate that)
The mists of dragonlore - Daraawiish - 06-26-2014
All I do is experience in the silence of my heart, there is nothing else that I would need or want and know, beyond that.
Again have to assure you that my intentions are not to make you into something, feeling free to contribute in this forum in such way,
as I believe that is the intentions of participants of this forum, to simply share along the journey.
Honestly, I does not know what you speak of, there was no post deleted nor any my edition of yours except the "stalking advice" you gave.
I have to depart now for my schedule, have a nice day X.
The mists of dragonlore - serloco - 06-26-2014
That's good that you do not want to make me into anything, and i don't see that in your intent and so I am sorry for my words. But when you quote me (and i am speaking about your awareness of 'self' that you had written about) and change my words into the word 'self', replacing my words with yours, then you have made my awareness into you own. And I did not leave reality to enter into another parallel reality which I can do, nor did i enter into the iob world which i often do with my body, but actually saw with my own eyes the posts of yours that vanished away in thin air. I know there is no delete button too, and so wondered where they went. I saw them and read them too. So unless someone, or something pulled me into another alternate universe without me knowing it, then you are have told me a lie. I suspect a mystery here.
The mists of dragonlore - Daraawiish - 06-26-2014
I do not do nothing and there is no way of telling if anyone does.
I think you got it, because I got it.
The mists of dragonlore - Mornings Son - 06-26-2014
Evil is Indulging in Greed, Anger or Delusion (The Self-important Soap-opera)
Is this not also these emotional drama that is Flyer food ?
Yesterday I met a friend from back some time
She say Evil is when you for no reason other that find joy in causering suffering to others
It was the conclusion of 20 years of speculation