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The Four Agreements - Guest - 04-03-2011
"The Four Agreements (Companion Book)" is the title of a book by don Miguel Ruiz that I bought this week while out of town (we don't have any bookstore locally except for Hastings and the metaphysical selection is pitiful).
The author's bio says he was raised in rural Mexico by a curandera mother and a nagual grandfather. After a NDE, he had a change of direction which led to an apprenticeship with a powerful shaman after which his grandfather still leads and teaches him from the other side.
The four agreements are:
Be impeccable with your word.Don't take anything seriously.Don't make assumptions.Always do your best.I'm just on the first chapter of "Part One, Mastering Awareness," which is titled "Domestication: Human suffering begins with domestication."
The chapter introduction is:
During the process of domestication, we form an image of perfection in order to try to be good enough. We create an image of how we should be in order to be accepted by everybody, but we don't fit this image.The most profound idea that I have so far read is this:
Your whole point of view of your whole reality is based on what you believe you are, but what you believe about yourself is just a concept. It is knowledge, but knowledge does not mean it is truth. Knowledge only means it is what you know.Knowledge only means it is what you know.
I read that and said WOW. Of course that is true but I never really thought about it to that depth. How simply profound!
It begs the question to any one who perceives themselves to be, or who aspires to be, a 'man of knowledge'...
is your knowledge opinion...or fact?...
is your knowledge thought or action?...
did it come to you in the form of an idea...
or did you *see* it?
The Four Agreements - Gonzo - 04-03-2011
When you get done with Miguel, take on Jed McKenna.
The Four Agreements - Nagual LoneWolf - 04-03-2011
Hastings in Nebraska? Making agreements with yourself is fine as long as yourself agrees to agree. Myself doesn't have a side to agree with so I can't make agreements with myself otherwise I would make an agreement to agree with me. The four agreements mentioned above are all good and such but the very first agreement should be there is nothing in myself that I have to make agreements with. Does that make sense? Or is that so?
The Four Agreements - alien - 04-03-2011
Stuart Wilde can also be an interesting read, though at times a bit too blissy for my tastes. Still...
The Four Agreements - Guest - 04-04-2011
Nagual LoneWolf wrote:Hastings in Nebraska? Making agreements with yourself is fine as long as yourself agrees to agree. Myself doesn't have a side to agree with so I can't make agreements with myself otherwise I would make an agreement to agree with me. The four agreements mentioned above are all good and such but the very first agreement should be there is nothing in myself that I have to make agreements with. Does that make sense? Or is that so?Well, it does to me but I don't think the book is aimed at those to which these ideas make sense.
The first part of this chapter talks about how domestication causes misery...by making it so that we (generally speaking) are made to make agreements with others that we probably don't understand when they are made. Things like what a boy or girl is expected to be and do...what we are good at and what we suck at...how we are supposed to turn out and how we are not supposed to turn out. Basically, defining the self by the expectations that are outside of self.
And this seems to me to engender self-importance.
So in order to break those agreements, one must make new agreements with self that negate these made with others.
Then there are some things to list out about the details of these agreements, etc.
Personally, I didn't read all that because I have not really had too many agreements like that, with others, and most have *expired* so to speak. So I see no need to make agreements even with myself when I am not bound by them already.
But not everyone has been so lucky and these things DO influence the greater portion of humanity.
...btw...I don't live in Nebraska.
Thank you, Gonzo and alien...I better write those names down. I appreciate the tips!
The Four Agreements - Nu Lang - 04-04-2011
Maybe you do live in Nebraska and are only dreaming you live elsewhere. In the book Narnia, those 4 kids dreamed Narnia for their entire lifetime, grew old in Narnia and then returned to Earth to find only a few minutes of Earth time had transpired and they were still kids.
The Four Agreements - Nu Lang - 04-04-2011
Nagual LoneWolf wrote:Making agreements with yourself is fine as long as yourself agrees to agree. Myself doesn't have a side to agree with so I can't make agreements with myself otherwise I would make an agreement to agree with me. The four agreements mentioned above are all good and such but the very first agreement should be there is nothing in myself that I have to make agreements with. Does that make sense? Or is that so?Yes it makes sense. It means that self reflection shuts out power that is a force in the universe, because self-reflection consumes so much of our energy that we need to perceive, but instead of perceiving power we perceive man's agreements which are limited to the agreement of agreeing with assertions. The link to Spirit does not need to be agreed with, rather we just need to have the link itself, it is always a direct link, nothing to agree to, it is just so.
Once we lose our human form, our link is permamnent, but before that it seems to me we alternate between the two...a reflective state and a direct link with Spirit. Since what we as warriors desire is a complete link, curtailing reflection is key. This means doing things like stopping the internal dialog, and intending to be free of the self-reflective process.
So where does recap come in then? Recap is a reflection back upon events. Yes, its a reflection back but not to find agreement. But rather to see. To accomplish this we must access our link with Spirit.
The Four Agreements - Nu Lang - 04-04-2011
jezebel wrote:So in order to break those agreements, one must make new agreements with self that negate these made with others.
Or perhaps just one agreement.
The Four Agreements - Guest - 04-04-2011
Nu Lang wrote:Or perhaps just one agreement.
The Four Agreements - Guest - 04-04-2011
Nu Lang wrote:Maybe you do live in Nebraska and are only dreaming you live elsewhere. In the book Narnia, those 4 kids dreamed Narnia for their entire lifetime, grew old in Narnia and then returned to Earth to find only a few minutes of Earth time had transpired and they were still kids.That would be nice...the Narnia part, that is...except I'm pretty sure I really do live in New Mexico...it's hotter than hell here...no humidity...mountains...Mexican-Americans...poverty...
Yep...I'm sure I don't live in Nebraska.
The Four Agreements - Guest - 04-04-2011
Nu Lang wrote:Or perhaps just one agreement.
"To thine own self be true."
I'm lucky in that I've always been the disagreeable sort.
LOL
The Four Agreements - Guest - 08-21-2019