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The Indescribable Force - Le_Regard - 12-11-2017
Carlos Castaneda, The Fire From Within:
"There is no way to describe in words what the Indescribable Force's emanations really are. A seer must witness them. They are a presence, almost a mass of sorts, a pressure that creates a dazzling sensation. One can catch only a glimpse of them, as one can catch only a glimpse of the Indescribable Force itself.
There is nothing visual about the Indescribable Force. The entire body of a seer senses the Indescribable Force. There is something in all of us that can make us witness with our entire body. Seers explain the act of seeing the Indescribable Force in very simple terms: because man is composed of the Indescribable Force's emanations, man need only revert back to his components. The problem arises with man's awareness; it is his awareness that becomes entangled and confused. At the crucial moment when it should be a simple case of the emanations acknowledging themselves, man's awareness is compelled to interpret. The result is a vision of the Eagle, and the Eagle's emanations. But there is no Eagle and no Eagle's emanations. What is out there is something that no living creature can grasp."
The Indescribable Force - Le_Regard - 12-11-2017
The Indescribable Force - serloco - 12-12-2017
I dont believe that. I believe we get what we intend to get. We reap what we sow. If you set out to learn the unlearnable then you reach out to place of understanding that no man has yet discovered. However on the flip side if you reach out to learn something you "cant" understand then you get that result as well. I understand the Eagle and its emanations. I have my own sigils that define its creation and origins. I willl be speaking about it soon. Once I publish my findings.
The Indescribable Force - Le_Regard - 12-12-2017
serloco wrote:
I dont believe that. I believe we get what we intend to get. We reap what we sow. If you set out to learn the unlearnable then you reach out to place of understanding that no man has yet discovered. However on the flip side if you reach out to learn something you "cant" understand then you get that result as well. I understand the Eagle and its emanations. I have my own sigils that define its creation and origins. I willl be speaking about it soon. Once I publish my findings.
Are you basically publishing your intent to Describe the Indescribable Force?
You wouldn't be the first to try that, but you may find to your surprise that once it's all over with and down on paper no one understands it but you.
The Indescribable Force - Le_Regard - 12-12-2017
There's a classic story about these blind guys trying to figure out what an elephant is.
So the first guy is by the trunk, and he thinks an elephant is like a snake. Another guy is by the side and he thinks an elephant is just this big flat thing, and another guy is by a leg and ends up thinking an elephant is like a tree trunk, etc. The idea is it's impossible for a finite consciousness to take in all the infinite at once so everything we know is always partial knowledge.
But LOL... you're all like, *** that, they're only finite because they intend themselves finite, and knowing everything is easy, and I'll be publishing my findings any day now.
The Indescribable Force - Le_Regard - 12-12-2017
This is Hanuman by the way. This is exactly the kind of weird results you get when you start calculating a description of the indescribable.
The Indescribable Force - glance left - 12-13-2017
"You wouldn't be the first to try that, but you may find to your surprise that once it's all over with and down on paper no one understands it but you"
Yeah, we've seen plenty of that around. But, in the interest of sharing one's experiences and having to use description in that attempt....why not?
My whole issue is when seers become fixated on their seeing and try to solidify it/institute it, stating "this is the way things are....period. Now everyone follow me because I know what's what!" That, to me, is the essence of what DJ described as "Clarity becoming the enemy of the man of knowledge".
The Indescribable Force - Le_Regard - 12-13-2017
glance left wrote:
"You wouldn't be the first to try that, but you may find to your surprise that once it's all over with and down on paper no one understands it but you"
Yeah, we've seen plenty of that around. But, in the interest of sharing one's experiences and having to use description in that attempt....why not?
My whole issue is when seers become fixated on their seeing and try to solidify it/institute it, stating "this is the way things are....period. Now everyone follow me because I know what's what!" That, to me, is the essence of what DJ described as "Clarity becoming the enemy of the man of knowledge".
It's a mystery. It's a proper mystery. We have schools of thought and whole universities and research labs just because apparently the world WANTS US TO KNOW IT. It just WANTS US to share our results and build grand systems.
The Indescribable Force - Le_Regard - 12-13-2017
Le_Regard wrote:
It's a mystery. It's a proper mystery. We have schools of thought and whole universities and research labs just because apparently the world WANTS US TO KNOW IT. It just WANTS US to share our results and build grand systems.
From my point of view, the universe is both a question that commands me to answer it, and a God that commands me to build it a temple. I'm all too aware that other people have already answered it, and I'm all too aware of all the other temples lying around, some in ruins and some not.
It's a Lovecraftian apocalypse, basically. Most people find crumbling temples of the Old Ones to shelter and horde supplies in against the assaults of the alien invaders.
The obvious question is WHY? Why keep building temples? I don't know, I really don't, it's just like asking why is there a world at all.
The Indescribable Force - glance left - 12-14-2017
The comfort of consensus
The Indescribable Force - Le_Regard - 12-14-2017
glance left wrote:
The comfort of consensus
I think it's something like hunting is a lot easier when you can yell things like, "hey the lion went that way!!!" "which way?" "over by the red rock in front of the big tree!!!"
The Indescribable Force - glance left - 12-15-2017
Yeah, that's part of it for sure. You've got the comfort of consensus..."we will all gather together in the village with our warriors brandishing sharp pointed sticks and built some walls...all that stuff we agree upon that protects us from lions and makes us feel safe".
And you've got the utility of consensus...."let's take all those sharp pointy sticks and use group stalking tactics and our agreed upon knowledge of lion behavior to take the fight to the lion, instead of waiting for it to bring the fight to us. And, anyways....Karl here likes the taste of lion"
The Indescribable Force - Le_Regard - 12-15-2017
glance left wrote:
Yeah, that's part of it for sure. You've got the comfort of consensus..."we will all gather together in the village with our warriors brandishing sharp pointed sticks and built some walls...all that stuff we agree upon that protects us from lions and makes us feel safe".
And you've got the utility of consensus...."let's take all those sharp pointy sticks and use group stalking tactics and our agreed upon knowledge of lion behavior to take the fight to the lion, instead of waiting for it to bring the fight to us. And, anyways....Karl here likes the taste of lion"
It seems easy to miss this today, but "feeling safe" has different connotations. If you need to conform to the herd to feel safety in numbers, or if you're a liberal snow flake hiding in your safe space, we tend look down on these things. But it's like no seriously NOT BEING EATEN by lions used to be a much bigger deal. People used to live in villages that got raided by other villages and basically anyone passing through.
The Indescribable Force - rosygyro - 12-15-2017
anyone else dream of Don Juan?
asking for a friend.
The Indescribable Force - glance left - 12-16-2017
Yeah, dreamed with him last night. He was showing me how to "turn on a dime", so to speak, in terms of shifting one's stance during day-to-day activity. How to access the "active side of infinity" while on the fly during daily goings on, particularly if one is succumbing to inertia. Can't remember any other specifics, unfortunately....but I do remember the feeling of the intent behind the maneuver.
Also, there's a thread about this, too, in The Art of Dreaming section.
any-one-else-dream-of-don-juan-t7105.html#p136935
The Indescribable Force - Le_Regard - 12-16-2017
glance left wrote:
Yeah, dreamed with him last night. He was showing me how to "turn on a dime", so to speak, in terms of shifting one's stance during day-to-day activity. How to access the "active side of infinity" while on the fly during daily goings on, particularly if one is succumbing to inertia. Can't remember any other specifics, unfortunately....but I do remember the feeling of the intent behind the maneuver.
Also, there's a thread about this, too, in The Art of Dreaming section.
any-one-else-dream-of-don-juan-t7105.html#p136935
Was the "dime" in your spine?
I dreamed a supernatural being or beings showing me precise areas of my spine and how to "turn" them, but it wasn't Don Juan at the time.
The Indescribable Force - Le_Regard - 12-16-2017
Also and I'm really not trying to be funny or anything but does Don Juan come across as looking anything like this?
The Indescribable Force - glance left - 12-16-2017
Le_Regard wrote:
glance left wrote:
Yeah, dreamed with him last night. He was showing me how to "turn on a dime", so to speak, in terms of shifting one's stance during day-to-day activity. How to access the "active side of infinity" while on the fly during daily goings on, particularly if one is succumbing to inertia. Can't remember any other specifics, unfortunately....but I do remember the feeling of the intent behind the maneuver.
Also, there's a thread about this, too, in The Art of Dreaming section.
any-one-else-dream-of-don-juan-t7105.html#p136935
Was the "dime" in your spine?
I dreamed a supernatural being or beings showing me precise areas of my spine and how to "turn" them, but it wasn't Don Juan at the time.
No. But then again, by virtue of the fact that your dream relates via synchronicity....yes. The spine....is pivotal. And being pivotal both anatomically and energetically, it remains key in terms of being able to turn on a dime, so to speak. So, I'll be honoring that today with energetic movements/magical passes which revolve around the spine. Thanks, man!!
The Indescribable Force - rosygyro - 12-19-2017
once i saw a westerly nagual in dreaming and he looked just like a northerly nagual does when i am awake. go figure/
The Indescribable Force - rosygyro - 12-20-2017
The Indescribable Force - glance left - 12-21-2017
rosygyro wrote:
I thought this was just a funny nonsequitor (it still is
until I realized this thing looks suspiciously like those fleshy, softly luminous fimbriae I see sometimes suspended in the void which I’ve always equated with IOB’s
The Indescribable Force - rosygyro - 12-21-2017
So anyway I lost my pen.
The Indescribable Force - glance left - 12-22-2017
I don't get an overview the way you do......it's like I see a tiny piece, up close, of some vast whole.
The Indescribable Force - Le_Regard - 12-22-2017
I usually end up very worried about the number 1, and then completely distracted.
The Indescribable Force - Le_Regard - 12-22-2017
I do actually feel like the Indescribable Force very definitely commands me to describe it, absurdly, and that this has been for many years the curse of my existence.