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Tonal-Nagual Consciousness - SelfHealedMadman - 12-26-2013 ~ Do you see the computer screen in front of you? Where does the seeing of this computer take place? Possible answer: In the brain. Ok, if you take your brain and go to another room, do you still see it? No, you will not. You will remember seeing it, but you will no longer see it. So, the computer (or anything) is a very important part of this experience of seeing, not just your brain. So, does it take place in the computer? No, because if I remove the computer, the experience also ceases. The experience requires the object and the brain together somehow. We know that. But the question is, where does the seeing take place? Here? There? Both? Neither? Where?? Now, when does the seeing take place? When does it start? Another question is, where does the seeing come from, before it takes place, before you experience it? And where does it go after you are finished experiencing it? Consciousness. Consciousness is the union of perceiver-perception-perceived. The three and one, no one parts stands alone. Without a perceiver, there can be no perception and nothing can be perceived. Without perception, nothing is perceived, so there is no perceiver. Without the perceived, there is no perception and no perceiver. All three must exist to together to exist at all. They are one, not three, and the one thing they are is consciousness. Now it gets tricky. One may say there are actually two types of consciousness; Tonal and Nagual. Tonal consciousness is the I-Am of the perceiver-perception-perceived waking dreamstate. Tonal consciousness is grounded in Nagual consciousness, which is undifferentiated and absolute; no perceiver, no perception, no perceived. How does one arise from the other? Tonal grounded in Nagual? Nagual consciousness is our absolute nature, Tonal consciousness is our living reality. Consciousness is true, the contents of consciousness are not. Nagual consciousness is without features or attributes. It has no conscience. It is not innately good or evil. It’s not moral or spiritual. It has no heart, no bias, no preference, no skin in the game. It’s not like the God or gods of our hopes and dreams; it doesn’t take sides, it doesn’t prefer that you be good or evolve, it doesn’t feed on praise or adoration, it doesn’t judge or care. Love isn’t better than hate, goodness isn’t better than evil, pleasure isn’t better than pain. Any this/not-that statement we make about nagual consciousness must be false. I-Am/Consciousness is just another way of saying Tonal/Nagual consciousness. The I-Am part is Tonal consciousness, and the consciousness part is Nagual consciousness. Before the foreslash is self you as you know yourself, and after the foreslash is the truth of you, no-self, which is timeless and undifferentiated and all that. So the good news is, yes, you are immortal in consciousness, but no, the you you think of as you, is not. This might come as unwelcome news for those looking for something a little more personal in the soul department, but on the bright side, Nagual consciousness is an actual thing that actually exists and that you have an actual claim to. Nagual consciousness may be no-self, but it is the truth of you. This may sound like a shitty deal to anyone who has a strong sense of personal history and self importance, but after you’ve whittled it down a bit and see what it’s really made of, you’ll be relieved to find anything true under all those layers of false. It’s like the tiny dustmote at the center of a fist-sized ball of hail, the seminal something to which the moisture started to cling in the first place. The ball of hail might have an oversized sense of itself until it starts a rapid meltdown to nothingness, but then that tiny bit of dust saves it from oblivion. It may not be a unique ice-rock anymore, but at least it has a claim to existence. It’s not nothing. SHM Tonal-Nagual Consciousness - NagualHuman - 01-02-2014 Thank you for your love, SHM I never felt so much love in my life before, you are so lovely, cuddly sweet and strong, you are like a wind and you are very hard blow. Tonal-Nagual Consciousness - NagualHuman - 01-02-2014 KIll yourself... stalk the pray eagle! Find the uncomforting silence... and be with your heart your way your wonder your creation your love your boots and the father sky... Me and my "friends" doing music... If you wanna know how to kill yourself be careful, killing yourself results in DEATH! Your heart is healed by forces of LIVING!!!! do it like the Eagle and Wolfs does, and dont forget about he Bear! http://picosong.com/kZVE/ Wolf and the Eagle Right ? Tonal-Nagual Consciousness - Guest - 01-04-2014 Nice post SHM. The reflective finite/infinite. Tonal-Nagual Consciousness - Guest - 08-21-2019 |