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Listing What Forces/Powers/Beings That Exist In Our World. - Nagual LoneWolf - 05-16-2011
What is god most people will ask? Many answer God is everything, all around us. Well energy is all around us. We create and form our world using intent. Energy can be accessed various ways and seen different ways. So what is around us is energy. The following is My beliefs/knowledge:
God-The spirit. That which cannot be seen. Inorganic and powerful. It is not human not does it have human emotions aspects but it does communicate through omens, signs, it is power.
The Human Form-It is the mold of man. All living things have a mold. A seer can see the mold but it will seem empty and without being.
Living species-Organic living beings. All species can produce beings that have a direct link with spirit. The direct link is a mutation and has been mutating since life began.
Inorganics-Beings on our world that are not organic. They can exist for centuries. They can take a human form. They can exist within a living human or other type living beings.
The Foreign Installation-A inorganic being that enters a human when they are young and cohabitants in the human till the human dies. The FI can survive the humans death and inhabit another human thus beginning another cycle.
Death-There are forces in the world that cause the death of living beings, death is the Eagle.
Eagle-The Power that all beings who had died on this Earth go to. The Eagle separates them and consumes them. What happens to these beings is unknown to the seer after they enter the Eagle. The Eagle is called a eagle because it hovers over the Earth and encompasses it with broad wings, it has a shining point that looks like an eye and below that point the living beings go into it (its mouth). Only organics are seen to be consumed by the eagle. Silent knowledge tells the seer seeing this that the beings are being taken for their awareness.
Allies-Allies are inorganics that align with those with links to the spirit. They can be good or bad, they are agents of the spirit and their task is to enforce the eagle's death when there is those who resist and live on the earth.
Shadow Beings-Humans that resist the eagle and stay earthbound.
Tenents-Nagual Beings that have shifted and still live on the earth.
There are more of course.
Listing What Forces/Powers/Beings That Exist In Our World. - Nu Lang - 05-17-2011
This stood out for me today so wanted to say a bit about it.
NLW wrote:
The Foreign Installation-A inorganic being that enters a human when they are young and cohabitants in the human till the human dies. The FI can survive the humans death and inhabit another human thus beginning another cycle.What stood out was this definition resonated with a feeling I've had for a few months now...which I sort of put on the back burner, which occurred in Ravenfield during a time when we members had talked about some shifts in which dark forces would feel more prominent. What happened is for about 4 days straight I would wake up when a member of my household came to say goodbye to me as he headed to work. During these 4 days I would look at him and feel a jolt from what I saw as an extremely malevolent presence inside him...not beside him, but inside him. An entity capable of murder. But what I saw also is that I was not in danger of being murdered, but could be if I maintained my awareness of this entity in a way to alert it I was aware, then I consider maybe it would have attempted some act of power to subdue me, just not sure what that would be but I didn't linger to test it. I learned by about day 3 to sort of ignore it, and basically what that means is simply go back to forgetting I even saw it.
I think perhaps as children we are directed to do this as well. Because its said children can sense the FI but their guardians dissuade them from recognizing it and the child likely agrees because it's best for survival purposes possibly. But what we miss out on when we forget about it is we miss experiencing that feeling of utter contempt it has towards us. I had no doubt in my mind during that dream period time that my relative was NOT that entity. In fact it truly felt that entity was a parasite and was possessing him, and so I sensed it was an addition to him rather then a part of him. Truly he was this things host and his own love, care and decency kept the thing in line likely, because if that thing had its way, its utter disregard would make it completely hostile as that's what it was, completely against humans, and it did feel foreign, non-human. I did post about it in RF at the time too, so there is a record of my experience...maybe it was Dec or January somewhere around that time.
UPDATE: Ok I was a bit off in time frame. It was March 4 when I first posted about it...
This early morning dreaming was intense but I forgot what I was
dreaming. My husband (in waking) came by the bed to say goodbye as he
was headed to work. As he approached I thought he was an IB and
malicious, coming to get me to hurt me. This feeling lasted only a few
seconds, I realized it was him shortly after. It was a bit scary though
as for a few seconds it did not feel like him at all. He alwasy says
goodbye the same way every morning like routine and I never mistake him
as I did today.then a bit later (same day) I added...
Maybe also I sensed my husband's flyer? Caught it approaching me?
Listing What Forces/Powers/Beings That Exist In Our World. - Nagual LoneWolf - 05-17-2011
When we become aware of the FI, it becomes aware we are aware of it. There is a sign through the eyes, something else looking out. Humans have no idea. When we look in the mirror we often look with the eyes of the FI. When I was younger I avoided mirrors like crazy afraid from what I saw in my eyes. When I subdued the FI that went away.
Listing What Forces/Powers/Beings That Exist In Our World. - Nu Lang - 05-18-2011
My FI, I have been aware of it at times throughout my life. When I try to slip away from it, what it does is it uses fear. I just read in RF where you posted a bit about that...
Their trick is that they make you believe in what they tell you.
The best way to become aware of them is by shutting off your internal dialogue. Since you can hear your thoughts without associating with them, you will hear thoughts that arent yours. These thoughts can be disturbing, and at times scary. This is another one of their weapons: fear. It is usually irrational fear, so the trick is to not associate at all with it. The best way to combat this fear is to remember your death. The fears become meaningless in light of your death.
That is so true for me. In fact I asked you in Oracle about it a while back too. And I understand about the eyes, for the most part. Intent shows through the eyes so you can see the intent of the FI this way.
One thing I do with the FI is I get into a tug of war with it in which I start to say...why is it sending so much fear its too much. Then lately, since about Nov I contacted you in PM and you gave me the advice to voice the intent "no permission, get out" to the FI. So when it really assaults me I repeat that over and over. I'd rather hear my thoughts then its scary ones of gloom and doom. What I feel my FI does is it accesses my deepest traumas from childhood, feelings of death and loss I experienced and then it combines it with its thoughts to make the two seem like they go together. My experience with the FI is it can really turn up the heat.
Of course if you obey it and follow it its happy with that, but once you make effort to rid it, then it becomes different, hostile and starts looking for your weaknesses and to expose them and make you feel helpless.
So the best remedies are shutting off dialog, or voicing a mantra over and over, and also I use visual. I have an artwork of Kuan Yin of Courage she hold 4 powerful objects to ward off fear and rides a white lion . I use that one, and others. Visuals help becasue the FI likes to use visuals too so my own visuals combat its.
Some people may say, oh its not an FI its just you, you are doing this to yourself. I strongly disagree. I want peace, freedom, inner calm, I would never send myself violent images, thoughts fears and self hatred. I fight to regain what is my right to have, which is my own aims which seek beauty and acceptance of self and others, not all those judgements out there in the world. Judgements are the domain of the FI too.
People are judged by their looks and abilities, social classes and personalities and all those things. Thats the FI's doing, trying to create separatism and disharmony. It gets so complex becasue everyone's FI operates differently so it comes out in various forms and this all comprises human interaction. Everyone is looking for remedy from the strains they feel inwards, but often they go about it the wrong way, which is to lash out at everyone else, which creates only more strain. This is what happens when people don't see the FI parasite in them. And then if they do see it, they may feel shame and so try again to not see it and forget, pass blame etc. I feel that if they understand its foreign, and it makes us do stuff against our will until we spot it and stop it with our own intent, it will continue to do it and then shame us afterwards. But if we see what its doing, we can bypass the shame and fear and simply fight IT.
For me, and my experiences, I SAW it, and I saw it in another person and I felt it. Its truly inorganic so can travel person to person, but it seeks a home, so a host to stay in. This is saw and know clear as day and its energy feels very foreign and dark with a heaviness hard to describe but like an anchor...no lightness whatsoever, just a gravitational pull of moroseness and need to dominate/control us. This knowing about it helps me, to not forget.
One last thing, about using death to combat the fear. I have gotten to that point myself. Where I am so bombarded by it that I state to it that I don't care what it tries on me, I will fight it to my death if necessary, for death and going down fighting is a far better fate then its slavery it tries to impose on me which it will never never have, never.
Listing What Forces/Powers/Beings That Exist In Our World. - Guest - 02-18-2012
I think some IBs find it easy to get into an animal, like a cat.
Listing What Forces/Powers/Beings That Exist In Our World. - Senear - 02-18-2012
Are all your cats ok RM? Ive noticed some animals regard me, like that raven that had the broken wing int he yard, with a depth and almost alien quality beyond other animals. Its not always or usually bad per say, and often like some i crossed paths with as a child magical, but its...alien. Ahh i posted a dream, and they were putting down all the dog forms. Before they sought energy to live. I didn't come out and say it, but in the dream world they were all Ib's with varying natures, but in the end they would need energy to continue to exist, and that was bad, here, so they were being removed humanely. Its been on my mind all day. Looking at the food i ate as having been alive, my seeking its energy. Thinking about things that would put me on a plate, and it jsut be natural to them, and ot evena representation of their goodness. Life consumes life. Or energy from the sun. There is no way around it. Isnt that what flyers do, they provoke us to create energy, like little solar flares, from outrselves and eat it. But we arent the sun, not yet, whose natures it is to eminate light from within, so we are diminished, bunred out, and left as husks by it. Can we be like the sun? Into the sun, is that what conserving energy is for, to have enough left to make that leap, from cocoon to flight?
Listing What Forces/Powers/Beings That Exist In Our World. - Guest - 02-18-2012
I've been seeing a humanlike entity in my cat, which was not MY cat and I would have never chosen this cat as a pet. Due to he seems capable of nothing but zapping energy.
Listing What Forces/Powers/Beings That Exist In Our World. - Senear - 02-18-2012
I, knowing me, would lock eyes and wrestle it out cant be deep in an animal. or sue hands and try and draw it out then spit. But im a fool. I also mess msyelf up all the time. NLW probably has a good idea, not one of my ideas. Not that you asked for any ideas.
Listing What Forces/Powers/Beings That Exist In Our World. - Nagual LoneWolf - 02-18-2012
I thought of this topic a few days ago and want to ask each of you to talk to someone about their FI and note their reactions here in this forum. Last time I did this to amale subject he became very agitated and nervous and had to walk away because of the feelings he got. Later on he told me he was hearing thoughts that wanted him to attack me but he knew that was wrong and he had never felt like that before.
Listing What Forces/Powers/Beings That Exist In Our World. - Guest - 02-18-2012
Yes, I remembered you saying the FI can appear as another being, even family member. And I note that I see this entity in my cat as a vision superimposed almost nested inside cat. So maybe that what it is. My cat is not erratic in behavior, just I were this foriegn presence or think I do at least.
I know about the violent thoughts, in fact, the more free I get, the greater increase of threatening thoughts. Much like a prisoner about to escape and all the guards are deployed.
Listing What Forces/Powers/Beings That Exist In Our World. - Senear - 02-18-2012
Yea. The more i change my behaviour, or thoughts away from a form it likes, the more it looks for openings to use against me, grief, insecurity, anger that want to push me back towards the state it prefers. Too take and energize the perspective it prefers. Its a constant struggle, and it looks for new angles. Its three steps forward 2 steps back at times.
Listing What Forces/Powers/Beings That Exist In Our World. - Guest - 02-18-2012
I like the task Wolf gave us, which is to talk to one of our familiars about the FI. I have talked to a few people only about it through the years, people who knew what the FI was. The conversation was much like our discussions here at forums in that we both agreed it was plaguing mankind and that is was unwanted. I know other people would deny it period, and others would act like they know about it and are free of it, but I know from observing them they are not free of it really. Also agitation in body happens. A good example is the Judge Judy clips, I posted few months ago and Dan just bumped that thread up again, thanks for that Dan. It cause me to rewatch the first episode. The woman (defendant) was getting more and more agitated as she was getting cornered by Judy and cop. I also saw FI in Judge Judy but she had mental speed which helps her maintain objectivity better. The woman on other hand relied more of emotiona reaction which bogged her down quite a bit it seemed. The cop I could not see his FI if he had one, he might have had a mild one likely.
Listing What Forces/Powers/Beings That Exist In Our World. - Senear - 02-18-2012
Mental speed yes. I often rely on that to stay ahead of the curve, which just means im not directly confronting it enough just running and changing zig and zag. I have spoken, without using the word flyer (didnt really know it till november), many times about this with my family members, with varying degrees of interaction. Even my dad...that did not end well. How one person triggers another, and the emotions consume us and dont do anythng but reinforce being stuck. More directly with jade and my mom, once with jade about flyers. He looked at me with wary regard in his eyes. My little npehew too, about his tantrums, but he just says he knows but how hard it is to cut it off and take a moment to breath and disapate it. Ill do it again more specifically about the FI as the opportunity comes up.
Listing What Forces/Powers/Beings That Exist In Our World. - Guest - 02-18-2012
I myself have known both predicaments. There was a period of my life I was pretty emotionally bogged down and so know what that feels like, and these days from release of past issues I have come to know greater mental speed so it a bit like a car chase between me and FI, it can't get me so easily, I'm fast now. Some people have that speed from early on, like Judge Judy, and it could be a family AP of speed saviness or just a predilection of hers. The only bad thing about that is her speed gives her success in the world of men, she can see the stupidity of others well, their FI, but thus likely does not see hers by comparison then. But I am just guessing since I don't know what she's like off camera.
Listing What Forces/Powers/Beings That Exist In Our World. - delawaredan - 02-18-2012
I have talked about this reaction in RF..... http://sorcery.yuku.com/topic/3601/The- ... ion?page=1
I have tried to explain the FI to my brother. Several times.....the last time was about 4 months ago and it was by texting only. I was in Las Vegas and he was back on the east coast. I am not really sure how the subject came up....but I was able to enable my brother to understand the FI for the first time. In the past, (this has been something I have been experimenting with for a long time) I have been able to discuss most of CC abstracts lessons with my brother...except the FI. When I was younger, I would often get my words all jumbled up when trying to explain the FI....I always knew it was the FI, both in me and him, that was making it difficult to explain the existence of the FI. It is the FI's survival mechanism...as a parasite....to confuse our thoughts...in order to continue to feed off of us. The conversation would always end with hightened awareness...but he never seemed to fully gasp the existense of the FI. I could see the exact moment when the FI took over and what I was telling him became a point of contension and he became argumentative. Now he is often argumentative....being a triple Leo....and has a hard time with ego.
So, over the last 15 years, I have discussed this with my brother, without success. I would often blame myself.....but that was my FI's last ditch attmept to control me. My extreme empathy for others....A place of no pity is fine in regards to myself but not in regards to others. I do feel the FI was playing on my desire to "help" everyone be aware of the existence of the FI. Ok, so the last time I was taking to my brother (Scott..who is only a year older then me), I was texting him my thoughts as to the FI. For the first time he seemed to truly understand (from what he was writing). It was as if the fact that I was not in his close proximity, allowed me to communicate past his FI. However, when he understood.....his reaction was very Zen. He stated that if that was the case then he needs to accpet the existnece of the FI but he should just live in homeostasis since it was the way things are meant to be. I tried to explain how we can be free of the FI and that we can keep our awarness after our physical body dies but then it became lost.
I have recenlty reconnected with an old friend. Someone I use to travel across the country with to see concerts, when I was young. I have been disucssing the teachings of don Juan with him. Both he and my brother have read the first book only. However, my friend (Steve) is very receptive to what I tell him. He is very intelligent, open minded, and a musical genious. I will discuss the FI with him and note his reaction. I have another really close friend who is an artist...pretty well known in Philadelphia. I have spoken to him as well, but he has a major ego (almost a messianic). His name is Dennis and I will also see what happens when I speak to him of the FI.
Listing What Forces/Powers/Beings That Exist In Our World. - Guest - 02-18-2012
Cool Dan, I look forward to hearing what transpires. I am not sure who I will talk to about FI. Maybe just let it happen if it happens.
Yeah, with the FI, I see it boiling down to stopping internal dialog...and its hard to tell people just to do that. Its doable to tell oneself that though.
Listing What Forces/Powers/Beings That Exist In Our World. - Guest - 03-04-2012
Does the flyer cause one's ap to move erratically? Causing them to perceive various hells, each one different from next but still that basic lack of resolution/clarity? Is the ap of inner silence a more fixed perception of the world (no second guessing there)?
Listing What Forces/Powers/Beings That Exist In Our World. - delawaredan - 03-05-2012
I do not think the ap of inner silence is a MORE fixed perception. I think it is a better choice to harvest your own energy. I think the flyer will creat various hells.....each one with its own way of keeping you scared and shakled. When you see past one hell...the flyer will cast the shadow of another one at you, rapidly. Once you realize it is ALL the same..the flyer has no more hell(s) to throw at you.
Listing What Forces/Powers/Beings That Exist In Our World. - Guest - 03-05-2012
Thanks for the reply.
Whats been happening to me are shifts, pretty significant, and the hells experienced are not like one would expect, they are much more subtle. They give the impression this is what the world is like, but its not a very good world, like it feels preditorial in a way. But not in the ordinary way, such as human emotions like anger or depression. Its more just like a harsh energy, yet life is just happening and nothings changed but an inner feeling of dread in a way. Its impossible to explain it in words I know. But I notice the movement there and then back to 'normal' awareness. Normal awareness is easier to deal with, even though its a flyer driven state, the sense of identity is stablizing. I am me you are you, comfortable thoughts to ground one. The other state is not like that, identity is alone there, there is no me and you separate, yet instead of blissful oneness, I feel its preditorial, in a very odd way. And I would like to think inner silence is not like this place, latter place. But since there is so much uncertainty, I cannot say which is the case. I cannot quite "understand" the nature of those shifts. Are those shifts more of the flyer or something else? But, I know you did talk about the hells and I agree with that, its the loss of identity I wonder about. And sorry if this does not make very much sense, it is very hard to describe the experiences in words.
Listing What Forces/Powers/Beings That Exist In Our World. - Senear - 03-05-2012
Ive been going back and forth on what i found the thing i referenced internally when i read what you were asking and your and dans thoughts on it. the image itself references the dreaming from the other day. The spinning orange spitting seeds. I immediately thought back to that and i found one that was representative. I hesitated sharing it because it might seem i was being silly, and not serious. But i cant escape that's how i reflect, in my way often, so i am going to post it, with all the qualifying of what it is and why i just made.
Listing What Forces/Powers/Beings That Exist In Our World. - Guest - 03-05-2012
I think you meant by that tuning into the preditorial aspect? Sort of, in a way I guess. we are all food or probes...hmmm, along those lines.
Listing What Forces/Powers/Beings That Exist In Our World. - Senear - 03-05-2012
Yes and the dough becoming bread, becoming toast, all those little or here not so little ap shifts, each one another hell in its way. And the orange, seeing, commenting...maybe the flyer, maybe the not so quiet inner silence. But whatever. Was just my reflection and how i saw the energy of it play out in tonal things in a moment of time.
Listing What Forces/Powers/Beings That Exist In Our World. - Guest - 03-05-2012
The dough transforming and not having control, yes, like that.
Listing What Forces/Powers/Beings That Exist In Our World. - Guest - 03-05-2012
But more than anything, that clip made me want to fry some eggs sunny side up, put them over the toast and squeeze the annoying orange for orange juice .
Listing What Forces/Powers/Beings That Exist In Our World. - Senear - 03-05-2012
lol yea. That's why i love that guy. He annoys me, those clips stalk me, or i stalk myself with them, because dang. Annoying orange is not a understatement. Orange juice time. lol.
But beyond that, there are little details that pop out.
annoying orange has two LEFT eyes. All the fruit, and doomed guest beings, all have two RIGHT eyes. and the knife always comes for them, but not orange. Orange always sees their death coming, sees the knife time and again, but for the guest fruit, i noticed, not so much...they see it they scream and are gone. Two left eyes. Look LEFT. At DEATH...which always comes, for everyone but orange and his party. Somebody else, my friend Katherine, pointed that out to me today. The eyes, the pattern, not the meaning, she just thought it odd and wondered if it had meaning in context, didn't know what that could be. Once she did i checked and smacked my forehead for missing it. Which made it more relevant as it was an odd thing to pop into dreaming i thought. And had more meaning then my laughter. Orange has gallows humor, and it is always a warning...knife...knife...but the guest fruit are so annoyed, so angry at him by that point, for drawing out their FI, their anger, annoyance, frustration, that they never listen, or see past it, get mesmerised by it, and die with a final curse on their lips right before a scream generally. I made her suffer through a few of them before, and she returned the favor. I had mentioned something about that dream how i turned into a spectral living sun version of him. So she got inspired. At the risk of reading too much into things, details like that...I read allot from the energy of those things. Just annoying Internet videos, but its all power, and if it can be noticed, it can be read. Like leaves on a tree maybe. But it reads back, things of interest. Even a stupid annoying thing like this, or so i seem to perceive. May just be madness. Just some perception. Orange juice and eggs is better. lol.