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Shared Dream Etiquette, and Dream Plane Theory - Waking Nomad - Eilias123 - 09-22-2010
Shared Dream Etiquette, and Dream Plane Theory
Dream Plane Theory
This is not meant to be a set of rules, but a guide for oneiromancers
(dream magicians or shamans) dealing with privacy of mind and dreams.
First, let me talk a little about dream plane theory, what I have
learned from books, Man of Shred, Raven Knight, spirit guides, and
personal experience. First I will talk a little bit about the
conventional Western view of dreams and lucid dreaming, which I believe
is very limiting.
Conventional Western Dream Theory
Conventional Western Dream Theory states that dreams are manifestations
of our thoughts when we sleep. All 'characters' encountered in dreams
are Dream Characters, manifestations of our minds, therefore simply
part of us. Dreaming is a way for our subconscious minds to deal with
and process information from our waking minds' experiences.
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The True Nature of Dreams
The Dream and Astral Planes
The dream and astral planes are two other planes of existence. The astral is 'between' the dream and physical planes. " class="vw-link autolink" target="_blank" href="http://www.dreamviews.com/wiki/Astral-Projection" title="Astral Projection">Astral projection, remote viewing, visions, meditation, OBE's all happen on the " class="vw-link autolink" target="_blank" href="http://www.dreamviews.com/wiki/Astral-Plane" title="Astral Plane">astral plane.
The astral plane can be accessed when awake or asleep. (If you have a
dream you are walking in a normal looking physical place, and you feel
like a ghost, it could be an 'astral dream.')
Inner Worlds
Everyone has an Inner World. Your Inner World is like your house. It is
populated by dream characters which you created. The entire dreamscape
of the Inner World you have also created whether you are aware of it or
not. Most people go in and out of their Inner Worlds seamlessly without
realizing it. Other people and entities can go in and out of Inner
Worlds also.
Outside of Inner Worlds
When we leave our Inner World, we are more likely to share dreams with
others. These can be places that have a physical "twin" such as Mount
Everest, or they can be dreamscapes created by entities.
Other Entities
We are all entities, in other words, sentient beings, or living things.
Non-human entities exist outside of our little watery planet, and our
common knowledge of spirits. There are many kinds of entities: animals,
spirits of the dead, interdimensional beings, aliens, gods, angels,
demons, to name some I have begun to understand. We often dream with
these other entities, but because of our limited Western Dream Theory,
we believe they are all Dream Characters.
Dream Characters
Dream Characters are manifestations of a mind, requiring attention to exist. Once you ignore them, they disappear.
Types of Dreams
Residual Dreams
These are dreams that have a lot to do with our waking life, and is our
subconscious minds' way of processing and dealing with information
received during our waking lives. These are usually in our Inner Worlds.
Astral Dreams
These are dreams where we are on the Astral Plane. If you have a dream
where you are walking around your house, and you see people sleeping,
it's probably an Astral Dream.
Deep Dreams
In Deep Dreams, we lead other lives, interact with other entities, and
have amazing experiences. We are other people, in a sense, pure magic.
These are dreams that we often don't remember, because we are in a much
deeper state of sleep, so we have them hours before waking, or our
conscious minds cannot deal with the idea of living a second life on
the dream plane, so our subconscious makes us forget to protect our
waking minds.
Types of Lucidity
Lucid Dreams
You are aware that you are dreaming.
Non-Lucid Dreams
You are not aware you are dreaming, but you may still do things impossible in the physical plane, such as fly.
Semi-Lucid Dreams
You are aware you are dreaming "in the back of your mind."
Deep Dream State
You are aware you are dreaming, but unaware of the physical plane.
As we evolve and progress in dreams, the lines between states of lucidity are smeared and smudged.
Shared Dreaming Theory
We often share dreams with others, but because we are raised with the
Conventional Western Dream Theory we believe they are Dream Characters.
Lucidity is completely unnecessary for shared dreaming. Lucidity helps
with Control, and Recall which may help you share dreams.
Shared Dreaming Etiquette
Permission
Just as you would ask permission before going into someone's house, you
should ask permission of someone before you share dreams with them.
This is not necessary, but is nice. People can become frightened,
confused, or angry, if you step into their dreams without permission.
Going into Others' Dreams
This can be done without permission, but not recommended. If you go
into someone else's dream, you will be having one dream, then do
something such as step through a door or a portal, and be in a
completely different dream of someone else's. If someone goes into your
dream, they will usually suddenly appear.
Pulling Others into Your Dream
This is the opposite of going into others' dreams. This can also be
done without permission. If you pull someone into your dream, they will
suddenly appear. They may be annoyed, terrified, or confused, if this
is done without permission. If done with permission, then they will
probably think it's cool.
Public and Private Dreaming Spaces
Inner Worlds are automatically private. Other dreamscapes may be
created which are intended to be private. If dreamers agree to meet at
a certain place in dreams, it is automatically public, and other
entities may appear, including other dreamers you have no contact with
in waking life.
Meeting in Dreams
You can meet someone in their dream, in your dream, or in a 'public'
meeting place. It's best to meet up in an agreed upon place so you
don't invade each others' Inner Worlds, or pull someone out of their
dream into yours.
If you agree to meet up with someone in a dream, and they are not at the meeting place, employ a Dream Permission Technique.
Permission Techniques
Waking Life Permission
Simply ask, "Do I have permission to dream with you?"
Dream Permission Techniques (examples)
Even if someone says you have permission in waking life to dream with
them, they may get upset of you yank them out of their dream.
-Use a Mirror (or Portal)
Look into a mirror, and focus on the person. When they, appear ask them
if they want to come into your dream. If they say yes, tell them to
walk through the mirror into your dream.
If you want to go in their dream, ask them if you can go into their dream. If they say yes, walk through the mirror.
If they say no, then, make the mirror blank.
-Use Telepathy
Focus on the other dreamer in your mind. You may see an image of their
dream floating in front of you. Ask them to come into your dream. If
they say yes, they will need to create their own instant
transportation, such as a mirror, door, or portal.
If you want to go into their dream, ask them if you can, then use
whatever instant transportation method you use. Focus on the other
dreamer when you do it.
Permission Hypothesis
Be forewarned, when you give your permission to dream with one person, you give permission to dream with All.
Perception and Shared Dreaming
People may often perceive the same thing slightly different, and
sometimes vastly different. Think about the last time two people told
you about a shared experience they had, such as a car accident. You
will get very different stories.
Lucidity and Shared Dreaming
Often in dreams, when we are not lucid, we will behave much more
instinctually. People may get embarrassed, offended, confused, annoyed
or frightened, at our behavior in dreams. They may not remember the
dreams upon waking, but the residual emotions generally bleed into
waking life. Understand that you and others in a shared dream may have
a variety of lucid states, which will may individually vary in a dream.
Set the intention when you are awake to be kind and gentle to others
you dream with. At the same time, do not feel guilty or embarrassed for
your behavior in dreams, for even if you are not lucid, you are really
you.
A Few Examples
I will give some examples of some experiences I have had with others,
and shared dreaming where I experienced some negative reactions. This
is not to frighten, but to caution.
1) I was in love with a woman named Rachel. We would always tell each
other telepathically, "I love you." We are both very psychic. She
showed me she is telekinetic. I was awed. I told her I have psychic
abilities, and I asked her if I could go into her dream. She said yes
nonchalantly. I went into her dream, and told her about it the next
day. She was terrified, and yelled, "GET OUT OF MY HEAD!" We stopped
talking to each other two weeks later. Coincidentally, I saw Jean Grey
scream at Professor X, "GET OUT OF MY HEAD!" as she manifested Phoenix
in one of the X-men movies.
LESSON: It's better to agree upon a place to meet up than to go into someone else's dream.
LESSON: Even if you get waking life permission to go into someone's dream, ask them again in the dream anyway.
2) When I first became my Beast Self a great panther, I became drunk
with power. I pounced upon Man of Shred, and licked his face, in my
perception of the dream. In his perception, I attacked him. I was in
the Deep Dream State.
LESSON: Just because you perceive yourself as behaving benignly, someone else may perceive you as behaving antagonistically.
3) When I first began seriously intending to dream with Man of Shred,
he would not remember as many of our dreams as I would. I began opening
portals, and yanking him out of his dream into mine with astral
tentacles. Sometimes he would be annoyed or disoriented.
LESSON: Ask someone if they want to come into your dream instead of pulling them out of theirs, and let them step into yours.
4) I shared a bit of a mutual attraction with a female acquaintance of
mine. She has an on-again, off-again relationship with her "boyfriend."
When she was single we danced together at a club, and there was a lot
of chemistry between us. The mutual attraction increased. She came into
my dreams. We had sex in dreams. Later she was playing music on stage,
and she looked at me and smiled seductively. I smiled back. Her
ex-boyfriend saw this little exchange, and an expression of jealousy
flashed across his face.
LESSON: Though you may remember dreams, others may not. Yet, residual emotions may bleed over into waking life.
LESSON: What we do in dreams affects waking life.
Summary
An intention of kindness and love, and a spirit of fun is always best
when sharing dreams with others. We may do things that others may have
negative reactions to, so it's best to have positive intentions so even
if we are not lucid, we are generally acting in a positive manner.
Shared Dream Etiquette, and Dream Plane Theory - Waking Nomad - funnyguy - 01-23-2017
This is a really cool thread thanks for sharing your knowledge with us but there is one thing bugging me a bit.
"Permission Hypothesis
Be forewarned, when you give your permission to dream with one person, you give permission to dream with All."
Why is that so?
Shared Dream Etiquette, and Dream Plane Theory - Waking Nomad - serloco - 01-24-2017
It is not.
Shared Dream Etiquette, and Dream Plane Theory - Waking Nomad - yoriyona - 01-31-2017
i'm new to the whole dreaming-carlos-castenada experience thing, so please forgive me if this question has been answered on another thread. but are people actually going in and meeting each other in their dreams? have people actually experience very similar things together in a dream as their entity-selves? and as a result ,are able to talk about it as if they were in the same place? i'm looking for clarification here.
Shared Dream Etiquette, and Dream Plane Theory - Waking Nomad - Guest - 02-01-2017
yoriyona wrote:i'm new to the whole dreaming-carlos-castenada experience thing, so please forgive me if this question has been answered on another thread. but are people actually going in and meeting each other in their dreams? have people actually experience very similar things together in a dream as their entity-selves? and as a result ,are able to talk about it as if they were in the same place? i'm looking for clarification here.
In order: yes, yes, and yes. Welcome
Shared Dream Etiquette, and Dream Plane Theory - Waking Nomad - Guest - 08-21-2019
Shared Dream Etiquette, and Dream Plane Theory - Waking Nomad - Guest - 08-21-2019
Shared Dream Etiquette, and Dream Plane Theory - Waking Nomad - Guest - 08-21-2019