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Finding energy producing realities in dreams - Blue totem - 11-05-2009
Hello dreamers and stalkers
I bet you guys remember the difference between lucid dreaming and DJ's dreaming.
Well in a lucid dream you are lucid inside a fantasy world of your own creation.
And when you dream like a sorcerer, you enter a real world, that produces energy that you can see.
Now I have been lucid dreaming for about six months, and I still haven't found an energy producing reality
or energy producing objects or characters. I express my intent to see, and usually nothing happens.
Thats because I am lucid dreaming... I guess I have to be patient.
Finding energy producing realities in dreams - Illusion of Duty - 11-05-2009
You gotta call the scout... invite it to your dreams in a spirit of friendship and confidence. Intend it.
No fear.
Finding energy producing realities in dreams - another spirit - 11-06-2009
don't need the scout. see the scout's energy. see energy. energy = a feeling. the more dynamic, or more intense, the more energy. the scout will take
you to a realm with energy to be sure, but that's only one place, and it's inorganic so i disprefer it and don't recommend it. have you followed a
scout before?
-each of the emanations at large is a source of infinite energy
match what is inside with what is outside. i hope this was helpful
Finding energy producing realities in dreams - another spirit - 11-06-2009
i believe don juan said that the old sorcerers indulged in controlling their fear, doling it out as food for the inorganics or whatever. the new seers
deliberately avoid this. the fear is there for a reason. it excites the body and reminds a person to be alert. be brave in the midst of fear. balance of
opposite and contradictory forces is the new seers knowledge. ahhhh. seriously though it's a relief to be able to say this stuff to somebody that is there,
that understands. so it tends to become a rant very quickly. but this is true stuff too. it's like. reading cc's books. all those words go straight
into the mind, and then along the way the understanding comes as the experiences relate.
skywalker: 'im not afraid'
yoda: you will be... you will be.
Finding energy producing realities in dreams - another spirit - 11-06-2009
self importance is the concern of mine. others have this too undoubtedly
Finding energy producing realities in dreams - Eilias123 - 11-06-2009
Maybe try Dreaming together with someone and see if you can see their energy
Finding energy producing realities in dreams - Blue totem - 11-06-2009
No, I haven't followed a scout yet.
Finding energy producing realities in dreams - bluedreamer - 11-06-2009
yay anotherspirit for saying that about fear and self-importance, i agree. I have seen myself get led into some nonsense from self important self indulgence,
yes.
Finding energy producing realities in dreams - Illusion of Duty - 11-06-2009
Fear IS self-pity, the other side of self-importance.
My recommendation of avoiding sending a fearful message to inorganics is to prevent them from following him tru that fear and drive him insane, something that
Don Juan recommended in order to deal with inorganics.
Self-important is 100% emotional in nature. All people should keep that in mind if they are serious about dissolving it.
If you need fear to shake you up your are being dulled by the normal emotions around social strivings. Fear won't make it better.
I prefer seeking advice from death: A good jolt makes you sober in no time.
You can't be ego-less and be filled with turbulent emotions. Pity BEGINS with negative emotions.
If you are gonna follow up with I believe/agree/opinion the same (or not) you are not reading me at all. Agreement and disagreement is
judgement and judgement is the root of all dual thinking.
It's not a point that I'm defending. At most, it's a proposition to those interested in defeating self-importance... self-pity.
Finding energy producing realities in dreams - another spirit - 11-06-2009
fear doesn't shake. more like a steady energy. iobs can feed on it. yes. i also prefer advice from death. not all emotions are turbulent. did you know that
after receiving that jolt, the energy layers have a space between them? they need to be retightened, with will by dreaming. dreaming - control of dreams, which
are often emotional. not to say that emotions shouldn't be had, but that they should be controlled.
"My recommendation of avoiding sending a fearful message to inorganics is to prevent them from following him tru that fear and drive him insane, something
that Don Juan recommended in order to deal with inorganics. " -agreement here though. fear for yourself, but send a message of pure confidence and power.
"Fear IS self-pity, the other side of self-importance." do you really mean fear is self pity? if that is the case for you then so be it. but not for
me. fear is fire
Finding energy producing realities in dreams - another spirit - 11-06-2009
also i wouldnt be friends with the scout. that's business. be cordial perhaps.
sidenote- the first scout one isolates will always be in their dream in some form or another. according to djs words and my experience. so friends or whatever,
that relationship is like infinite.
Finding energy producing realities in dreams - Blue totem - 11-07-2009
Its easy to recognize you GS a.k.a ''Illusion of Duty'', again with your extremist views.
Finding energy producing realities in dreams - bluedreamer - 11-07-2009
Get a hold of your self Illusion of Duty, you are frothing bold-bold and turbulence---hearts and arrows baby--part of the territory
I agree.
Finding energy producing realities in dreams - bluedreamer - 11-07-2009
Anyway Illusion of Duty, for me, love and enlightenment include emotions, sometimes turbulent ones, it's all included here. Most often, one doesn't
come here full blown enlightened, whatever that is and, if it even exists. It is more like enlightening over and over. At some points in the path emotions
might be knotted in the body from having had to and having to continue to adapt to the restricted patterns that prevail here, the way of releasing them is the
way of feeling them, not indulging them but actually feeling them, re-membering the pain someone stuffed in the bag. This place is a shock to innocence, so
innocence discarded by and large into the bag with the tears, fears and anger and joy goes with it. The way of releasing them finds innocence too--that is a
recap with a heart---not a poor little me song, then the emotions flow were they need to go and actions spark and flame. I can't imagine love without a
heart or a heart without feelings. By the way, I am not finished with my recap nor with my enlightening and what I wrote is just a description, for me it
doesn't flow as smoothly as I described it but it is the overall movement, not without my bumps and stuck spots you know.
As far as the IB, I know I still indulge in self-importance, am I vigilant enough to follow an IB? And fear? one night I went out and hid behind some bushes
near the sidewalk, I felt a little fear when hid like that and presently a couple of people came walking by, I stayed quiet and my senses came to their
peak--my assemblage point moved--and that's a little ditty about fear.
Finding energy producing realities in dreams - bluedreamer - 11-07-2009
And that from 7 Frank Zappas
Finding energy producing realities in dreams - Nomad Soul - 11-07-2009
"Its easy to recognize you GS a.k.a ''Illusion of Duty'', again with your extremist views."
I'm not hiding. And yes, I'm a extremist. I don't go half-way on things, unlike most people.
"Most often, one doesn't come here full blown enlightened, whatever that is and, if it even exists."
This says it all. You said the other day that you wanted non-dual awareness. Now you are saying that you are not sure if that even exists. Get a hold to your
illusion Blue.
I dislike dishonest people and yes, that makes me less than peaceful. Unlike most people here I know that those states are real and I found more than one
person living in them.
I intent to follow their steps and achieve a similar state for me. It rattles me how most people say that they "want" that and don't do **** to
achieve it or pretend to be spiritual while being prejudiced at the same time.
If you people are sooo humble and honest, find a TEACHER and feel the heat of nagual training, like Lonewolf.
Or are you all beyond teachers? Most likely, you people are unteachable.
Lazyness won't take you ANYWHERE.
PS: YES DOCTA LEE, YOU TOO! LOL
Finding energy producing realities in dreams - Nagual LoneWolf - 11-07-2009
I see Nomad has found us. Welcome Nomad. There are two ways to gain power. Both involve getting out there and making things happen. A teacher can make you walk
with power but only power can sustain your walk with it.
Finding energy producing realities in dreams - Eilias123 - 11-07-2009
Nagual LoneWolf wrote:
I see Nomad has found us. Welcome Nomad. There are two ways to gain power. Both involve getting out there and making things happen. A teacher can make you
walk with power but only power can sustain your walk with it.
I'm afraid it's not the same Nomad . That is yet another GS alt account.
Finding energy producing realities in dreams - Nomad Soul - 11-07-2009
Finding energy producing realities in dreams - Eilias123 - 11-07-2009
well if it makes you feel any better. I invited nomad to make a post. but he says he's been having trouble logging into this site.
Finding energy producing realities in dreams - bluedreamer - 11-07-2009
Look, Illusion of Duty, I didn't say that such states don't exist, I said I didn't know if "full blown enlightenment" exists, meaning I
don't know if an ultimate state of enlightenment exists, I haven't experienced such personally, as far as I know it could go on infinitely. Sure I
would like to experience non-dual awareness but I haven't and I don't know if there is a last stop on the enlightenment continuum, how could I? I do
have a desire to bring the "opposites" together.
You seem to be bugged when others don't agree with you, hence "you people" , smacks of judgment Nomad Soul.
Go ahead and follow the steps of more enlightened people nomad, if you succeed you may find yourself looking back at "yourself" and laughing.
Finding energy producing realities in dreams - Nagual LoneWolf - 11-07-2009
GS...hmmmmm....Thanks Eilias
Finding energy producing realities in dreams - Gonzo - 11-07-2009
GS really is an ass, don't you think? ...just likes to pick on people to make himself feel good because he feels so inadequate himself - just for his own
amusement. What a prick.
Finding energy producing realities in dreams - bluedreamer - 11-07-2009
No,I don't think Gs is an ass, I do think his "you people" stance is in error.
Finding energy producing realities in dreams - Gonzo - 11-07-2009
A bit of sarcasm. What's amiss with "you people"?