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Losing self importance - Mornings Son - 09-27-2015
He explained that sorcerers had discovered that any movement of the AP means movement away from the excessive concern with that individual self which was the mark of modern man.... It was therefore safe to say that any movement of the AP away from its customary position resulted in a movement away from man's self-reflection and its concomitant: self-importance. .... sorcerers knew by means of their practical actions, that as soon as their assemblage points move, their self-importance crumbles. Without the customary position of their AP, their self image can no longer be sustained. And without the heavy focus on that self-image, they lose their self-compassion, and with it their self-importance.From the Power of Silence
Losing self importance - Billy - 09-29-2015
In detachment that moves along, I think there is intuition involved to not just have applicable practices, but to finally experience detachment from being even the practitioner.
".... sorcerers knew by means of their practical actions, that as soon as their assemblage points move, their self-importance crumbles. Without the customary position of their AP, their self image can no longer be sustained. "
This is a very wild roller-coaster. The condition of losing self imaging as perceptual fact leaves you truly lost emotionally until settling below all manifestation (as there is no other choice). Soon, there is realization that this is a gift. Assemblage point shifts seem to naturally happen with the accompanying awareness.
{you are permanently (objectively) outside of the ever flowing reinvention of ego, and the common emotional occurrences happen in a new light each time. This is 'self teaching' and amusing. Oh, there is still pain of course. However, the needed separation is concurrent, and you move below the pain as with all other imagery}
Losing self importance - DoktorGreen - 10-02-2015
Folly is the self examining self importance...
Losing self importance - Billy - 10-03-2015
Yes, and folly is in the existing too. What a fucking proposition - 'to be aware' (chuckle). Interesting Doc, one of my favorite occupations is examinating my self importance.
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"Love, and what you intend, do."
Losing self importance - Billy - 10-03-2015
examinating self importance (hmm),,,,, examining AND exterminating and sinking way way way way way DOWN until there is nothing left of me (except ME).
Losing self importance - Billy - 10-03-2015
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Losing self importance - Hottie Scottie - 10-03-2015
A lot is to be said on your topic loosing self importance Morning Sons Carlos"s 6 th book Eagles Gift has a chapter dedicated to just that. What you all have with what you are talking about here. Description pn everyone is good. I like the nagual forum. Here. It seems some warriors here like to dance. May I have the first dance?
Losing self importance - Billy - 10-03-2015
Yes, lots of self-importance here is a given by the nature of posting itself. You dancing around that?
Also from the Eagle's Gift (Don Juan): "It is monsterous to think that the world is understandable or that we are selves are understandable."
Omg i AM BECOMING A MONSTER
Losing self importance - Billy - 10-03-2015
some of my alacrity in response
Losing self importance - Billy - 10-03-2015
To stay on topic (and not hijack another thread), I totally agree - it is the assemblage positions outside the norm that bring fluidity instead of fixation on a 'stagnant' self.
By the way, Mornings Son, I receive much knowledge and wisdom from the spirit of your posts.
Losing self importance - Billy - 10-03-2015
In a random search for a thread called 'art and form' (which I still can't find) I zipped past this post even as it caught my eye. I went back because I sensed a synchronicity (won't explain). I laughed/emoted and relished a single tear rolling down my cheek from each eye. I forgot to say thank you earlier Mornings Son.. so thank you now
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Losing self importance - glance left - 01-18-2017
Just some notes from personal exploration.
Deepening silence shifts my AP, without question. I don't intend it....it just happens. Although, while it's happening, I can feel myself doing it and it seems to happen via the context of the eyes....a perceptual shift that's both felt in the body and is visual as well. But the "feeling of me doing it" seems to happen all by itself, if that makes any sense at all lol.
And, as mentioned above, that shifted perspective naturally disassembles self importance. It just doesn't make sense in the face of it. It just drops.
All there is room for is a growing awe, that is the dropped jaw of awareness reaching out through space that's opening up. Alignment. Maybe it looks like a Chinese box from the outside looking in, but the mechanism is ultimately simple from my experience. Elusive because of the compulsion to continually muck around on the surface of things, looking for solutions in that endless, center-less maze, but simple once finally arrived upon.
To me, that's what Dok means about the folly of examining self importance, in a way. An analogy, for what its worth, is something like inward musing about what happened and what's going on when stuck in an underwater eddy. There's the folly of thinking about it vs the practicalities of doing what it takes to simply disengage from the eddy.
The eddy, for me, is compulsive thinking. Compulsive thinking is where self importance sustains itself...and helps to keep the AP fixated on its habitual position. Silence is the not-doing of compulsive thinking and, thus, the not doing of the "world" perceived associated with the habitual position of the AP.
Sustained silence naturally shifts the AP, dismantles self importance, stops the world, cultivates silent knowledge which naturally leads to impeccability when engaging the world at large. "Silent volition", I guess might be an applicable term.
Impeccability stems from inner silence...it just does! Well, I guess they are interdependent. Impeccability flows from inner silence and inner silence is the result of impeccability. When engaging the world at large with the intent to uphold inner silence, I'm finding that "what needs to be done/what needs to be said" in order to neutralize the world and all its challenges just emerge from upholding that state. And then doing/saying what's needed helps to perpetuate that inner state. It's all, slowly but surely, deepening from that interdependence.
Simplicity. But, then again I confess, this is all Sorcery 101. A class which I've failed or dropped out of many, many times (I can't tell you how many dreams I've had being remediated back to HS....back to middle school....hell, one not too long ago, back to elementary school! Crayons and all ) Once Sorcery 101 is passed, I'm sure the challenges become more complex....but I bet the central intent, analogously, is the same more or less.
We'll see
Losing self importance - Guest - 08-21-2019
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