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The Four Moods of Stalking - trinsic - 01-25-2015
Ruthlessness - begins by not having compassion for yourself and is applied to all aspects of yoru life. Compassion is nothing more than another facet of self-importance. Ruthlessness has nothing to do with coarse behavior, however.
I have contemplated this for awhile and I can seem to see how compassion is another facet of self-importance. Have compassion for one self can be good if its not taking to far no? Would appreciate it if any warriors can enlighten me on this one point.
Thank you.
(edited title due to all caps)
The Four Moods of Stalking - serloco - 01-25-2015
One of the worst teachings of don Juan I have ever read. Being a stalker who has led my dreaming/stalking into many worlds, including worlds of my own I can say that a world without compassion is a world of hell.. Truth. Compassion IS real, and is a facet of care and understanding. It is not self-importance, it is care and love. WHen someone is hurt, including yourself, you had better hope to God that people care enough to help you out of it, or that people care enough to help their fellow men and women. I say it is a facet of understanding because you understand what it is like to be hurt and so you care enough when someone else is hurt. So long as you have a heart that is. I am not talking about pity, no, compassion and pity are different things entirely. I can want to help someone who is hurt because I love them. ANd I can want to help myself because I love myself, and do not need to feel pity to have genuine compassion. Even someone who has accepted their lot, be it pain or whatever I can want to help them because I do not want them to experience pain and suffering.. Do I pity them? Sometimes yes I do, they can be weak and pathetic but i still care. I care enough to help them help themselves. I am ruthless, but I have a heart. I can dismiss my heart too and not give a rats ass for people, and I have done that too. But in all honesty you must follow path with heart, and you can follow any path, and make any position of awareness reality, including the one where compassion is fake. But before you do that beware for you can also have a position where love and compassion are real, and not just a sham or slef-importance. Sure if we all had no doubt and could do anything we wanted we would have no pity for our fellow man and no suffering but alas we do, and people do suffer and do you care about them? I genuinely do. Not because i am self-important but because I too know what it is like to suffer, and know what it is like to have someone care for me.. Have you had a baby who fell and hurt themselves, or a mother who loses her child, that is real loss and real pain, and it makes my heart ache for them.. That is love and undertsanding, empathy and conscience. Good things unless you want a world full of psychopaths, and i do not recommend it. No one will give a rats ass about you there. I have seen it.
The Four Moods of Stalking - serloco - 01-25-2015
Do you know why many sorcerers have offed themselves, because nothing matters to them, and they have no longer a point in living, they lost some of the most important spects of their humanity and tht is the positive side of self-importance. The will to live is self-importance and the will to achieve freedom is self-importance, the will to do nythign for yourself or for others is self-importance, and yes we need it. I suggest removing only the negative aspects of self-importance.
The Four Moods of Stalking - serloco - 01-25-2015
compassion
synonyms: pity, sympathy, empathy, fellow feeling, care, concern, solicitude, sensitivity, warmth, love, tenderness, mercy, leniency, tolerance, kindness, humanity, charity
"have you no compassion for a fellow human being?"
now imagine a world without these things..
you must achieve first freedom, no-doubt and absolute power to achieve a world where there is no need for compassion because there is no longer suffering because all ca do anything for themselves or for each other.. but even then one person would discover something amazing where another person had not, and so on and so forth, would you want them to share?? would you want to learn the new feat too? still we need care and compassion and do not throw it away so hastily.
The Four Moods of Stalking - Billy - 01-25-2015
Your grasp is akin to artform in the essence to exist. You are the essence OMG
The Four Moods of Stalking - Billy - 01-25-2015
trinsic wrote:
Ruthlessness -
begins by not having compassion for yourself and is applied to all
aspects of your life....Compassion is nothing more than another facet of
self-importance.
....Would appreciate it if any warriors can enlighten me on this one point.
I am grounded in tonal reality. I read that to mean, "you must know that experience." Applied to all aspects of your life, is to know when and how to draw the line of utterly cold detachment. And detachment is always synonymous with cold (unhindered by emotion). SO, to say, "compassion is nothing more than a facet of self-importance" is true in the context of one's detachment, even though this does not clarify that one's self-importance is very, very TASTY. The misunderstanding is not knowing how to live out of 'enlightened' detachment'-- You are nothing if not important!
This can get loopy--which is why I made a point to compliment serloco-- as he moves to and fro in controlled folly (detachment). lol He has perfected this.
The Four Moods of Stalking - Billy - 01-25-2015
trinsic--when you ask if compassion for one's self can be a good thing, ask yourself what answer you want and why. SO----you want to hear that it is okay. For YOU I read it to mean- "accompanied with the feelings that this is true. Why? For some good feelings that it brings." I know this because otherwise you would not ask.
For me, compassion is a very good thing and I do like the feelings that accompany this. But I also like anger occasionaly, and those feelings too. The freedom to choose is inherent in the foundation you want but don't have yet trinsic. Detachment allows space to indulge the feelings you have whether spontaneously or deliberately.
Compassion is a big problem because it lends to self-pity. Self-pity is a deep state for someone not grounded in the truth of one's being nothing, and responsible to/for ALL.
A few years ago self-pity would destroy my spirit. I could do it now because I trust my sober work--anything I do is ultimately a reflection of PLAYING with energy.
Start detaching from lesser emotions like anger, jealousy, resentment, fear.... pause to stop mental neurosis, observe that emotion apart from self (SEE it is not self). Must focus and practice as opportunites arise. You consciously intend for such awareness. Not hard at all. It feels good =lol.
lol, because you eventually detach from the consequential feeling as well --EVERYTHING.
The Four Moods of Stalking - Billy - 01-25-2015
The irony is, that contrary to what it would seem, detachment allows you to experience emotions with richer, deeper purity. You become much more alive. You don't waste energy being possessed.
The Four Moods of Stalking - serloco - 01-25-2015
Yes billy you possess your feelings instead of them possessing you. You can just say I feel this way when this happens etc, and control how you feel. Plan how you feel.
The Four Moods of Stalking - Billy - 01-25-2015
serloco wrote:Yes billy you possess your feelings instead of them possessing you. You can just say I feel this way when this happens etc, and control how you feel. Plan how you feel.
Trinsic "I feel this way when this happens" starts out very pragmatically. Say you feel listless and down a bit (nothing major). Pause to objectify the feeling by stating it to yourself. Then peek back a little.
Example: I see I didn't get full sleep last night, I remember I just had a glass of wine (depressant), I realize I am indulging some petty concern , etc. "OH now I know why I feel a little down. Then basically two things happen:
The light of understanding lifts me up, or I acquiesce to experiencing being down a bit (now I enjoy it because it is simply and without weight). Being aware of what you feel and why is important initially.
WAY later you understand it is all junk and couldn't care less why it visited. If something is there, you don't even need to objectify specifically. Your awareness just moves from it or accepts it with a sense of pleasure.
I can't underestimate for myself how the energy gained from letting go of daily concerns translates into acuity to think and act straight. For me to think and act straight was to find more and more to detach from until I was free.
This is why religious are known to say you must die (not physically of course). When the soul is dead, what God or devil can affect you?
The Four Moods of Stalking - Billy - 01-25-2015
AND you really will learn to laugh. It is true sadness will make you blissful.
The Four Moods of Stalking - Littlepaw - 01-25-2015
" Warriors are incapable of feeling compassion because they no longer feel sorry for themselves. Without the driving force of self-pity, compassion is meaningless. For a warrior everything begins and ends with himself. However, his contact with the abstract causes him to overcome his feeling of self-importance. Then the self becomes abstract and impersonal. ''
From the Power of silence
A friend of mine a while ago was hit rather hard by the death of his mother and the circumstances which followed but for some reason I did not really register and at the time that this was an issue I did not take his feelings in to account at all! I was meditating one evening when my friend came to mind as did the events that had passed and I realised then what he must have been going through at the time, I then wished that I had been a better friend and more awake.
When I try to study these events now I wonder where compassion fits in? It is clear that something prevented me from seeing what my friend was going through, you could call this a lack of compassion although this does not seem accurate to me. If compassion is what I felt further down the line when I recapitulated on my friend then compassion or a lack of compassion is like a symptom of being blind or ignorant or self centred or just not caring.
The Four Moods of Stalking - Billy - 01-26-2015
Littlepaw, I read what you said carefully, and I could only think of my words, "you are nothing if not important!" There are endless ways to make my words loopy. Think how many ways to interpret and turn the meaning of mine and your words.
I saw no problem in what you wrote. However, words are traps as well as grace. Moments and emotions are traps as well as grace too. Serloco is the truth because to be in grace is to be free of and with words he engages. AND AND AND by extension emotions, events, people, and moments of his life.
Your story tells me that words can hold you (helpful criticism). I had my story of words that held me when I came here, and serloco SAW by my words that I was 'doomed.' He drew away too.
Why was I doomed?--that I destroyed 'important relationships'? No, not at all. I was cracking from 'destructive self-dialogue and obsessing.' Words, and especially ideas from words are very powerful. With some sense of space (detachment), you'll SEE the 'stuff' serloco writes on this forum has EVERYTHING to do with being in grace. SEE "Serloco" is the truth because......."
At times you had to wonder if billy gives himself over to serloco as if he were God. Of course that is true. I can do that, because I have to believe that when I do. I learned how to learn by trusting myself to trust those that had awareness. Awareness is Godly. Serloco SEES my trust and allows me to absorb what I want. If I had doubts, serloco would SEE that, and not waste his time with me.
It is not so much about serloco as the trust in self. EXAMPLE: You take a pill for an ailment and it helps you. Does it matter if the pill was a placebo rather than medicinal? It did what you wanted it to. Words can be the same as those pills.
The obvious question is how do I believe to trust myself. I go where I am alone, even rejected in my own isolation. I have tried to negate myself and eventually trust finds me. I do not know how other people find trust, or if they do. Having a true heart is to have a lonely heart. I remembered myself and found emptiness. I literally became more myself- authentic.
Of course I don't believe one word of what I just said, unless I do
The Four Moods of Stalking - Billy - 01-26-2015
I would erase that post if I could Littlepaw--has too many words, become fluid when you read for knowledge. Randomly pick a few words out of say "the wheel of time." Find its synchronicity (A word I learned that here-lol) travel a path with your own heart and deeper into your own heart.
The Four Moods of Stalking - Littlepaw - 01-26-2015
For me my story was about my friend and his turmoil and how I was not aware of his turmoil even though it was right in front of my face.
I used this story in the thread because I felt it was relevant to the question of compassion
The word compassion comes from the Latin stem compati meaning "suffer with, feel pity" or "feel what another person is feeling"
On the one hand I think being able to feel what another person feels is essential but on the other I don't believe we are to suffer with them. I believe the act of being with someone and being aware of another persons anguish should give them support and friendship. I failed on this occasion but I hope to use this lesson with the people in my life because I know that being there for some one can be a real gift.
I picked a few random words from your post and said the wheel of time and then thought " You are no example "
True story : )
The Four Moods of Stalking - Billy - 01-26-2015
I had GREAT teachers. I would know from them I am barely human, but human nevertheless. I never wanted a GOD. I use serloco synonomously with GOD because he starts and even finishes with what it means to me to be human.
My weaknesses are appalling to anyone's sensibilities. I am you.
The Four Moods of Stalking - serloco - 01-26-2015
I do not like to hold to Latin origin definitions and prefer to embrace the totality of language and what our own language has evolved into. With our expanding intellects, our expanding awareness language grows to keep up with these expanding perceptions. Sure Latin origin and any origin of our language is interesting indeed but fail to cover how our language has grown. For example having compassion for your friends pain does not mean you are suffering with him but merely understanding his suffering and you have empathy for him. You need not suffer too, not do you need to feel his pain.. But merely care for his pain and understand it. The word compassion has grown a great deal form the origin upon which it was created. As has out understanding of feelings, and our understanding of a great many things. It suits me, being english and up to date, to rely not solely on ancient linguistics but the totality upon which our language has developed over the many of years.
The Four Moods of Stalking - Gugeyewalker - 01-26-2015
I feel that ruthlessness is a warrior trademark
There is a difference between real love and compassion. Compassion is to be entangled in the emotions of others. Love for a warrior is not like that - it is more like 'tough love'.
Most of the time people who are very compassionate, giving, seemingly loving are really just more interested in what people think of them. They don't want anyone to be upset at them and they want to be viewed as sweet and caring. On the other side people who are crumudgins are the ones who will have your back if absolutely necessary, but also willing to let go of your bullshit if all this lovey dovey **** isn't helping!
Ruthlessness is the option of dispensing with compassion or anything else that is an obstacle. To be sure - ruthlessness does not mean less joyful necessarily.
What Serloco doesn't get here is that going through hell and coming out of it alive makes him a better warrior...why should anyone's 'compassion' take that away?
The Four Moods of Stalking - Gugeyewalker - 01-26-2015
OH also in the case of your friend who experienced a death...you have to remember that what people feel is not ultimately up to anyone else to change.
I abhore people who offer platitudes when tragedy happens. Supporting people who go through something like that is simply being there in whatever capacity you can.
You have to let them go through it though.
Is that compassion? Well I don't know. I simply feel pleasure and joy in being a good friend for certain people. But I sure is hell will not let them bring me down with them.
The Four Moods of Stalking - serloco - 01-26-2015
Gugeyewalker wrote:
What Serloco doesn't get here is that going through hell and coming out of it alive makes him a better warrior...why should anyone's 'compassion' take that away?
Obviously I understand that. You make big assumptions. What you do not get is that your judgments about people is your intent for people, how you dream your reality. Now as soon as stopped viewing compassion as a sham, like don Juan said, my world grew real compassion. Your dreaming world, the energies you give others is fake love. You are now experiencing that reality. Wonce you learn to control your judgments, be it controlled folly, you will be able to actually bless your reality and judge them in more positive ways as I have. Yes that does make you and your world better, which you don't understand.
The Four Moods of Stalking - serloco - 01-26-2015
And I surely never said compassion takes anything away they gueyguy. I in fact didn't say anything negative about compassion and said it is a good thing to keep and keep n your world also. I do not know how you got what you got from my posting..
The Four Moods of Stalking - serloco - 01-26-2015
I didn't just get out of Hell alive, I conquered it, and defeated both many demons and Satan himself.. It's all out idea of reality that manifests reality. I made my enemy defeated as wel as befriend them.. I quenched the hell fire and put it out and saved thousands of people while I was there. I take great pride in my actions and now a city stands there with healthy and safe people in it. People who were once sreaming in agony and possessed by demons. Obviously all I learned there made me a better person. I do not share everything there gueyguy, and just because I did not say it made me a better warrior does not mean it didn't. There is a whole lot i do not say.
The Four Moods of Stalking - serloco - 01-26-2015
I didn't just get out of Hell alive, I conquered it, and defeated both many demons and Satan himself.. It's all out idea of reality that manifests reality. I made my enemy defeated as wel as befriend them.. I quenched the hell fire and put it out and saved thousands of people while I was there. I take great pride in my actions and now a city stands there with healthy and safe people in it. People who were once sreaming in agony and possessed by demons. Obviously all I learned there made me a better person. I do not share everything there gueyguy, and just because I did not say it made me a better warrior does not mean it didn't. There is a whole lot i do not say....
The Four Moods of Stalking - Billy - 01-26-2015
Gugeyewalker wrote:
Ruthlessness is the option of dispensing with compassion or anything else that is an obstacle. To be sure - ruthlessness does not mean less joyful necessarily.
Someone in pain indulging self-pity gets no reprieve from someone upholding their self-pity in compassion. Ruthlessness is a good word here. You take that person's self-importance from under them, and bring them to YOUR moment. The contrast is so great from the usual bullshit. Watch how it disarms that person. There is an immediate triumph over any tradgedy and visibly the person lightens up and exhales freely. Your fluid intent to not accept his pity releases that person's rigid fixation. Now you talk or express nothing honestly, and really only an awareness exists. Only what it is to be alive in communion rules in those moments. It is the right way to be-- It is a particularily sacred way to be in such situations, and it is an exercise in personal power with no selfishness.
The Four Moods of Stalking - serloco - 01-26-2015
Yeah billy that is what i do. Communion, connection. I do it to evil people too, when they do not know how to get past the evil they uphold. I merge with them and share my knowledge with them, and then our minds merge and they see what I see, and begin saying what i am projecting to them, merging with them.