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Writing as sorcery - seesaw - 09-09-2011
Just for kicks i used to hang out on a forum dedicated to monsters and people who hunted them. Psychic investigators, werewolves, demon hunters and the like. It had its fair share of fruitcakes and a few casualities of the psychic romance section. In all though it was an interesting place to learn about the recording of altered states.Hanging out with the crazies one friend used to call it. I used to refer to it as an open air lunatic asylum. One that never shut.
What was interesting was witnessing how people spoke about their experiences, how they described them to themselves and others. Demon hunters would talk about liberating victims from possession, werewolves would describe their hunger and awesome shifts, vampires would talk about psychic feeding. What all of them did was in fact describe expereinces according to their over-arching beliefs. They would describe an experience via explanations from their paradigms. That was actually a very important destinction that i learned to differentiate between. I now understand there is a vast difference between a description and an explanation.
Occaisionally on this forum a real fruitcake would turn up and start mixing systems in a wild frenetic smorgasborg of explanatory word salad. It was funny at times but sad when you realised their was a real person on the other side of it all trying to come to terms with some genuinely wierd ****. What hardly ever happened was someone who would reduce themselves to a position of not knowing anything and simply describe what they saw heard felt, sans explanations. For some strange reason what i witnessed over and over again was that people have a need to appear to be in control. In the face of wierd experiences this urge to have an explanatory discourse was overbearing. I know because i have been there myself at times.
Which brings me ironically here. Here the paradigms are much more narrow. The common one is Castaneda. Others include zen, christianity etc. Each of these ways of viewing the world has an accompanying discourse, an explanatory set or words and concepts that we use. Again though what is rare is the individual who describes their experience without resorting to using explanations.
So to stay within the paradigm of sorcery for a moment i just want to look at the idea of 'sorceric writing', what its might be, how it might be done, its benefits and challenges. Its something i get a few ants in my pants over because so much writing on this subject is truly dreadful, and it needn't be. Its truly painful when people murder with words subjects that are dear to me. But enough of my pain and angst.
In the past i have referred to the act of talking about wierd experiences as 'perceptual phenomenology'. Its a long word which sounds very clever and i have no idea if it is correct or not, i am merely hijacking the meaning because it feels right for the purposes i have for it, (a bit like the changed meaning of 'tensegrity'). Basically in its purest form it is merely describing our perceptions during an experience. It is a witness statement. We stay away from conclusions, we stay instead with the unadulterated evidence of our senses and awareness. For me just describing experiences is the purest form of communication possible. It allows us a very clear view of what has happened. In fact it may even be the most rational scientific approach to wierd events that we have.
What is more these records are like open holograms that we as aware witnesses can enter into. They are energetic records of an event. We as readers of such sorceric writing can even help the writer to probe the experience further. Our questions about specific sensations thoughts etc are invitations for the writer to look deeper to recapture even more of the experience, to recapitulate (in a way)
Hey its late and i am being told off for typing late into the night. The first part of this thread is i feel unfinished. I will come back to clean up my mess tomorrow.
Writing as sorcery - BarefootInTheSand - 09-10-2011
seesaw wrote:What all of them did was in fact describe expereinces according to their over-arching beliefs. They would describe an experience via explanations from their paradigms. That was actually a very important destinction that i learned to differentiate between. I now understand there is a vast difference between a description and an explanation.
Couldn't have said it better myself. Although, you saw it with the monster hunters, I see it here in Castaneda forums. Missing are plain, straight forward descriptions of not only experiences, but what was learned or how it transformed one's life. Reminds me of the warrior's journal that DJ once instructed CC to write of the moments that altered the course of his life. Perhaps it is a lost art? Perhaps it is a skill worth cultivating?
I remember when it used to be all the rage about how people go through the motions in their daily life and how their daily life then comes up feeling empty. Your description speaks of the same type of emptiness. They have all the words, they go through all the motions, and still it is lacking something.
I wonder what that something is?
Writing as sorcery - quantumshaman - 09-10-2011
BarefootInTheSand wrote:
I remember when it used to be all the rage about how people go through the motions in their daily life and how their daily life then comes up feeling empty. Your description speaks of the same type of emptiness. They have all the words, they go through all the motions, and still it is lacking something.
I wonder what that something is?
What I've observed to be "missing" is usually the connection between spirit/silent-knowing and the experience itself. While humans are busy trying to *explain* the experience, they are usually missing the connection to the force/spirit that facilitated the experience in the first place... so yes, it stands to reason something would appear to be "missing". Silent knowing is just that: silent.
Writing as sorcery - seesaw - 09-10-2011
QS i have to be strict here.
Your post leaves me aching for more from you. I feel like you have flashed an intimate nakedness to me now tease me by covering up completely. I say that because your last post here was only another set of specialised explanations. Exactly the sort of thing i wrote about above.
I want to linger on the actual sensations of your experiences that lead to these conclusions. I can intuit what your beliefs are and how they cover your experience as a being like layers of clothing, but i guess i just want to see you naked.
Writing as sorcery - Guest - 09-11-2011
Great ideas.
Writing as sorcery - Guest - 09-11-2011
What is sorcery again? I forget.
Writing as sorcery - Guest - 09-11-2011
"Don't try to figure out what other people want to hear from you; figure out what you have to say. It's the one and only thing you have to offer." ~ Barbara Kingsolver
We are all apprentices in a craft where no one ever becomes a master. ~ Ernest Hemingway
The skill of writing is to create a context in which other people can think. ~ Edwin Schlossberg
If there's a book you really want to read, but it hasn't been written yet, then you must write it. ~ Toni Morrison
Fill your paper with the breathings of your heart. ~ William Wordsworth
The difference between the right word and the almost right word is the difference between lightning and a lightning bug. ~ Mark Twain
To me, the greatest pleasure of writing is not what it's about, but the inner music the words make. ~ Truman Capote
The process of writing has something infinite about it. Even though it is interrupted each night, it is one single notation. ~ Elias Canetti
The maker of a sentence launches out into the infinite and builds a road into Chaos and old Night, and is followed by those who hear him with something of wild, creative delight. ~ Ralph Waldo Emerson
Writing is both mask and unveiling. ~ E.B. White
The writer writes in order to teach himself, to understand himself, to satisfy himself; the publishing of his ideas, though it brings gratification, is a curious anticlimax. ~ Alfred Kazin
Creativity is allowing yourself to make mistakes. Art is knowing which ones to keep. ~ Scott Adams
The difference between fiction and reality? Fiction has to make sense. ~ Tom Clancy
Becoming a writer means being creative enough to find the time and the place in your life for writing.~ Heather Sellers
Every great and original writer, in proportion as he is great and original, must himself create the taste by which he is to be relished. ~ William Wordsworth
The muscles of writing are not so visible, but they are just as powerful: determination, attention, curiosity, a passionate heart.~ Natalie Goldberg
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Writing as sorcery - Guest - 09-11-2011
seesaw wrote:
So to stay within the paradigm of sorcery for a moment i just want to look at the idea of 'sorceric writing', what its might be, how it might be done, its benefits and challenges. (Me too.)
Basically in its purest form it is merely describing our perceptions during an experience. It is a witness statement. We stay away from conclusions, we stay instead with the unadulterated evidence of our senses and awareness. For me just describing experiences is the purest form of communication possible. It allows us a very clear view of what has happened. In fact it may even be the most rational scientific approach to wierd events that we have. (I think the purest form of communication may be telepathy, or heart-soul connection. Can the written word transmit wisdom? Are you proposing that 'sorcery writing' is just the describing of 'seeing', or something more?)
Let your writing flow from your heart. There are many aspects of writing. Its a way for your soul to express itself. Write poetry, free your spirit. Explore the potentials of creative writing. Ultimately writing is an art. As I grok it, I am drawn to the Source of Everything. Where do thoughts and words come from? What is the nature and essence of that Source? What is the WORD?
In terms of Castaneda's don Juan paradigm, 'sorcery writing' or creative writing is controlled folly, and I suppose you could use it to stalk yourself.
Can it also move assemblage points? Can it enhance perception or increase awareness? Can it further you on your path?
*grokking 'sorcery writing'*
Writing as sorcery - quantumshaman - 09-11-2011
seesaw wrote:
I want to linger on the actual sensations of your experiences that lead to these conclusions. I can intuit what your beliefs are and how they cover your experience as a being like layers of clothing, but i guess i just want to see you naked.
The late afternoon sun was sneaking through the cracks in the mini-blinds to create a diffused world of long shadows as I woke from a nap to find my weenie dog sleeping peacefully against my chest, the cat curled up purring at my knees, and the essence of a sapling eucalyptus drifting in through the open window. From the kitchen, the scent of spaghetti sauce brewing in the crockpot filtered into the mix, and the sound of my lover moving around in the next room gave a sense of utter well-being to my world.
Less than a second had passed since waking as I took a slow, deep breath, marveling at the way the setting sun was playing with all the strange and dusty trinkets on my old altar - no longer used much, but nonetheless a standing icon to the days when ritual was used to hone and focus Intent.
Dust.
A pain stabbed at my heart - not in any physical manner, but in Spirit. And I literally felt the little smile that had been tugging at my lips fade back into the world of Dreaming. Something in the dust had brought me back to ordinary awareness - to the Knowledge that whispered in the voice of tree leaves dragging softly across the window, "You are a being who is going to die."
In an instant, I had been transported forward or sideways in the belly of Time, and the dust on my altar had become the ashes of the being who had inhabited the assemblage point of "Della". Perhaps it was 50 years in the future, or 5 months or 5 minutes. All I knew was that my time on Earth had ended, and I was standing to the side, watching, as other humans sifted through the ruins of all those things we leave behind when we leave this world. Funny - that most of what we spend a lifetime creating ends up in some thrift store basement, or at the leading edge of a bonfire. The ashes of our self-importance scattered to the winds of Neverland.
It was as if I were watching the aftermath of my life play out on that old altar, where old journals have gone to gather dust, and hawk feathers and raven feathers and hatched snake eggs and broken beads and melted wax and little pebbles found in rare desert streams and a gaudy plastic pirate ring from Disneyland had found a resting place for a brief time. The items themselves have no power, of course. They are only trinkets of a phantom past - souvenirs of a life. The sun seemed to caress each one, and then the room fell softly and inevitably into the darkness.
For a few moments in that stillness between the worlds, I wanted to weep. And yet, at the same time, I wanted to jump up and pound my fists against the quantumly cold chest some non-existent Idea of God who had, according to the prevailing myth of our society, created a perfect world and then in his anger, imbued it with Death. It matters not in the least that there is no such being to whom we may turn our anger and our frustration. What matters is the absolute and undeniable realization that we are beings who are going to die...
...and something in that equation has always struck me as ironic and utterly inefficient; and despite the Knowledge I have gained on this path, that sense of "wrongness" has not changed. In fact, it's partially what motivates us as warriors - the sense that we are in a prison awaiting our own death sentence, and the only way out is the path to freedom that enables us to shed the organic body and trade it instead for the energetic vessel of the double. Sure - I understand all of that. And yet...
It also matters not in the least that I have gained an absolute comprehension of why things are the way they are. Without Death and Love and the two-part migration of the soul, chances are we would be little more than idyllic bliss ninnies running about the garden sipping honey from the bees and frolicking naked beneath The World Tree with our genitals flapping in the wind, for it is clearly the existence of Death that gives us our motivation to run for our lives through the jungle of all existence, carving a path toward our own evolution with a blade of pure Intent that has a tendency to slice away some of that beautiful foliage of the garden. Sometimes, it seems we can pause barely long enough to enjoy that One Perfect Moment of long shadows and sleeping weenie dogs and the dust of time on the journals of our journey.
Sometimes , knowing that I am a being who is going to die makes those perfect moment all the more perfect. Other times, it makes them all the more perfectly painful - and that is what drives me to occasionally run outside in the night as an eleven-year old girl, and shake my fist at the sky, and howl in despair and intent, "If I can't come to you, I'll bring you to me!" The double answered that little girl's cry, of course, and yet...
The dust on the altar defines a warrior's melancholy.
***
January 13, 2006
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All rights reserved
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Writing as sorcery - BarefootInTheSand - 09-12-2011
Hmm...rewrite of your post absent what SS was getting at: "woke up, felt (insert what you felt) as I realized that everything I held dear, and indeed my whole life's work, was meaningless."
I do not agree with you in regards to what SS posted that what is missing is silent knowledge remaining silent and think you missed SS's point. We are given explanations ("the world is such and such and so and so") and often what one finds in these forums are posts that reflect someone's attempt to make the world fit the explanation (whether ghost hunters, paranormal, toltec). No complaints, just sharing that I recognize what SS is saying...and happen to agree as it echoes what I see. It doesn't matter what you think about it, what did you experience when you read each response? Anger, outrage, self importance, a chance to show off your intelligence, love, kindness, did you look down your nose at me for my response...what was your experience?
Try not to take the first part of this post offensively (you have a tendency to do that), it is a powerful place to realize one's meaninglessness. ;-)
Writing as sorcery - Guest - 09-12-2011
seesaw wrote:
So
to stay within the paradigm of sorcery for a moment i just want to look
at the idea of 'sorceric writing', what its might be, how it might be
done, its benefits and challenges. (Me too.)
Basically
in its purest form it is merely describing our perceptions during an
experience. It is a witness statement. We stay away from conclusions, we
stay instead with the unadulterated evidence of our senses and
awareness. For me just describing experiences is the purest form of
communication possible. It allows us a very clear view of what has
happened. In fact it may even be the most rational scientific approach
to wierd events that we have. (I
think the purest form of communication may be telepathy, or heart-soul
connection. Can the written word transmit wisdom? Are you proposing
that 'sorcery writing' is just the describing of 'seeing', or something
more?)
Let
your writing flow from your heart. There are many aspects of writing.
Its a way for your soul to express itself. Write poetry, free your
spirit. Explore the potentials of creative writing. Ultimately writing
is an art. As I grok it, I am drawn to the Source of Everything.
Where do thoughts and words come from? What is the nature and essence
of that Source? What is the WORD?
In
terms of Castaneda's don Juan paradigm, 'sorcery writing' or creative
writing is controlled folly, and I suppose you could use it to stalk
yourself.
Can it also move assemblage points? Can it enhance perception or increase awareness? Can it further you on your path?
*grokking 'sorcery writing'*
"Don't try to figure out what other people want to hear from you; figure
out what you have to say. It's the one and only thing you have to
offer." ~ Barbara Kingsolver
We are all apprentices in a craft where no one ever becomes a master. ~ Ernest Hemingway
The skill of writing is to create a context in which other people can think. ~ Edwin Schlossberg
If there's a book you really want to read, but it hasn't been written yet, then you must write it. ~ Toni Morrison
Fill your paper with the breathings of your heart. ~ William Wordsworth
The difference between the right word and the almost right word is the
difference between lightning and a lightning bug. ~ Mark Twain
To me, the greatest pleasure of writing is not what it's about, but the inner music the words make. ~ Truman Capote
The process of writing has something infinite about it. Even though it
is interrupted each night, it is one single notation. ~ Elias Canetti
The maker of a sentence launches out into the infinite and builds a road
into Chaos and old Night, and is followed by those who hear him with
something of wild, creative delight. ~ Ralph Waldo Emerson
Writing is both mask and unveiling. ~ E.B. White
The writer writes in order to teach himself, to understand himself, to
satisfy himself; the publishing of his ideas, though it brings
gratification, is a curious anticlimax. ~ Alfred Kazin
Creativity is allowing yourself to make mistakes. Art is knowing which ones to keep. ~ Scott Adams
The difference between fiction and reality? Fiction has to make sense. ~ Tom Clancy
Becoming a writer means being creative enough to find the time and the place in your life for writing.~ Heather Sellers
Every great and original writer, in proportion as he is great and
original, must himself create the taste by which he is to be relished. ~
William Wordsworth
The muscles of writing are not so visible, but they are just as
powerful: determination, attention, curiosity, a passionate heart.~
Natalie Goldberg
*smiles*
*looks at everyone playing their 'games'*
*laughs*
Writing as sorcery - Guest - 09-12-2011
Are you proposing
that 'sorcery writing' is just the describing of 'seeing', or something
more?)
In
terms of Castaneda's don Juan paradigm, 'sorcery writing' or creative
writing is controlled folly, and I suppose you could use it to stalk
yourself.
Can it also move assemblage points?
Can it enhance perception or increase awareness?
Can it further you on your path?
*grokking 'sorcery writing'*
"Don't try to figure out what other people want to hear from you; figure
out what you have to say. It's the one and only thing you have to
offer." ~ Barbara Kingsolver
We are all apprentices in a craft where no one ever becomes a master. ~ Ernest Hemingway
The skill of writing is to create a context in which other people can think. ~ Edwin Schlossberg
If there's a book you really want to read, but it hasn't been written yet, then you must write it. ~ Toni Morrison
Fill your paper with the breathings of your heart. ~ William Wordsworth
The difference between the right word and the almost right word is the
difference between lightning and a lightning bug. ~ Mark Twain
To me, the greatest pleasure of writing is not what it's about, but the inner music the words make. ~ Truman Capote
The process of writing has something infinite about it. Even though it
is interrupted each night, it is one single notation. ~ Elias Canetti
The maker of a sentence launches out into the infinite and builds a road
into Chaos and old Night, and is followed by those who hear him with
something of wild, creative delight. ~ Ralph Waldo Emerson
Writing is both mask and unveiling. ~ E.B. White
The writer writes in order to teach himself, to understand himself, to
satisfy himself; the publishing of his ideas, though it brings
gratification, is a curious anticlimax. ~ Alfred Kazin
Creativity is allowing yourself to make mistakes. Art is knowing which ones to keep. ~ Scott Adams
The difference between fiction and reality? Fiction has to make sense. ~ Tom Clancy
Becoming a writer means being creative enough to find the time and the place in your life for writing.~ Heather Sellers
Every great and original writer, in proportion as he is great and
original, must himself create the taste by which he is to be relished. ~
William Wordsworth
The muscles of writing are not so visible, but they are just as
powerful: determination, attention, curiosity, a passionate heart.~
Natalie Goldberg
*smiles*
*looks at everyone playing their 'games'*
*laughs*
"Reality is what you can get away with.:
-R.A.W.
Writing as sorcery - Guest - 09-12-2011
Are you
proposing
that 'sorcery writing' is just the describing of 'seeing', or something
more?)
In
terms of Castaneda's don Juan paradigm, 'sorcery writing' or creative
writing is controlled folly, and I suppose you could use it to stalk
yourself.
Can it also move assemblage
points?
Can it enhance perception or increase
awareness?
Can it further you on
your path?
*grokking 'sorcery
writing'*
"Don't
try to figure out what other people want to hear from you; figure
out what you have to say. It's the one and only thing you have to
offer." ~ Barbara Kingsolver
We are all apprentices in a craft where no one ever becomes a master. ~
Ernest Hemingway
The skill of writing is to create a context in which other people can
think. ~ Edwin Schlossberg
If there's a book you really want to read, but it hasn't been written
yet, then you must write it. ~ Toni Morrison
Fill your paper with the breathings of your heart. ~ William
Wordsworth
The difference between the right word and the almost right word is the
difference between lightning and a lightning bug. ~ Mark Twain
To me, the greatest pleasure of writing is not what it's about, but the
inner music the words make. ~ Truman Capote
The process of writing has something infinite about it. Even though it
is interrupted each night, it is one single notation. ~ Elias
Canetti
The maker of a sentence launches out into the infinite and builds a road
into Chaos and old Night, and is followed by those who hear him with
something of wild, creative delight. ~ Ralph Waldo Emerson
Writing is both mask and unveiling. ~ E.B. White
The writer writes in order to teach himself, to understand himself, to
satisfy himself; the publishing of his ideas, though it brings
gratification, is a curious anticlimax. ~ Alfred Kazin
Creativity is allowing yourself to make mistakes. Art is knowing which
ones to keep. ~ Scott Adams
The difference between fiction and reality? Fiction has to make sense. ~
Tom Clancy
Becoming a writer means being creative enough to find the time and the
place in your life for writing.~ Heather Sellers
Every great and original writer, in proportion as he is great and
original, must himself create the taste by which he is to be relished. ~
William Wordsworth
The muscles of writing are not so visible, but they are just as
powerful: determination, attention, curiosity, a passionate heart.~
Natalie Goldberg
*smiles*
*looks at
everyone playing their
'games'*
*laughs*
"Reality is what you can get
away
with."
-R.A.W.
Writing as sorcery - seesaw - 09-13-2011
What i am proposing is that we write using description alone. Its not just description of seeing, it can be a description of any experience. Done properly yes i believe it can greatly assist any stalking endeavours that we are attempting. Its an exercise thats all. Take the following paragraph for example
I had a lucid dream where my double spoke with my girlfriends energy body. Then she found a dreaming gate passed through then came back with another dreamer. On her return and whilst still operating through awareness of the second attention I pointed out to her that she had just passed through the second gate and that i had been aware enough to witness this. Then we both woke up in the first attention, the tonal, and i repeated what i had just told her 'other'.
This is a record which relies on explanations in order to convey the story. It is the equivalent of writing about an experience in shorthand. The only problem is that this form of shorthand is quite rare. Not many people know it. If you are familiar with Castaneda then it makes sense. If you dont know his work then its nearly incomprehensible. Thats for those of us that can even agree on a form of 'Castaneda speak' without having to question each others conceptual understanding when compared to our own.
The following is an attempt to describe the same experience using 'perceptual phenomenology'.
I am lying in bed talking to my girlfriend. It is relaxed and peaceful. Then i feel something like a gust of wind. A few moment later i notice that she has come back. That strikes me as odd then i suddenly remember that in order to come back she must have left. The memory of her leaving is so subtle and yet, it is definately there, and quite jubilant at the realisation, i realise i caught the motion of it. All of a sudden i understand it was marked by the wind, as if she just swished away only to return a few moment later. Another female is on the bed with us. They are talking together, indifferent to what i am going through. A little delighted that i managed to be aware of her swishing to and from the bed i point out what just happened to her. She looks at me as if to say she doesnt believe me. I insist to her that i caught her motions of leaving and coming back, that it is no joke. For some reason it seems a big deal that i noticed it, at least to me.
I open my eyes as i roll over in bed, and am struck by a moment of consternation. My girlfriend is there with me in bed exactly as i had just seen her, except i now realise that i had just been dreaming. She opens her eyes and i start telling her that we had just been talking, and that i felt her swish out of, and back into my awareness and the dream we had just been having. She looks at me as if she is trying to understand my words, trying to bring her mind to waking state. It normally takes her ages to wake up to any useful degree anyway. I wonder if she is taking her long drawn out time yet again.
Obviously this way of writing takes longer. It requires more work on the writers behalf. Why do it?
Well there are a few good reasons, the first that comes to mind is that it forces the mind to really focus on the detail of the even rather than making a pastiche or stylised version of the experience. Such stylised recountings are merely ideas of a memory. They are removed from the actual experience. When i read such posts that are removed from the actual experience it is very difficult to enter into the mood and feelings of what happened. In fact i treat such stylised notes as adverts, adverts to ask the writer for a real description of the real thing should i want to know more. I treat them thus because on their own such notes are dead and lifeless. They lack any content that can move my own awareness to consider things from new angles, they lack the ability to take me out of myself to have new experiences.
However, if we describe using 'perceptual phenomenology' then we are literally capturing the moment of the experience in words. The words can communicate the experience directly, we as readers can enter and share the experience with the author. Even if we have different ideas, even if we have different understandings, an accurate description of a powerful or unusual experience can really move us and show us something new. Just think back to the first time you read Castanedas work for example.
The second good reason for writing in this way is that it forces the mind to deconstruct the experience and examine it very accurately, very objectively. We remove and resist the tendency to shoehorn our experiences into preconcieved ideas. We do not chase concepts but instead start to open ourselves to experience free from conceptual thinking. I am guessing here but maybe it can actually lead to states of freedom from our constant mental dialogue. It trains us to be aware and remap our awareness readying it for further explorations into the unknown. That for me is the best bit. When i do have experiences of the unknown i really want them to be just that, unknown. I dont get turned on by just following the same old same old, or kidding myself i am always in control and have an answer for anything that happens.. Instead i am trying to be aware, free from the world i know, and exploring over the edges of what is familiar. Then through this technique of sorceric writing i can really share it with you afterwords.
Writing as sorcery - BarefootInTheSand - 09-15-2011
Worthy proposal...a concerted effort to practice this shall be made in my journaling to see if it leads anywhere.
Writing as sorcery - seesaw - 09-15-2011
Of course the other benefit that comes from writing like this is that no one can really criticize or challenge what you wrote if it accurately sticks to what you percieved. You percieve what you percieve. That can be no real doubting of this. For instance I hardly ever doubt what people say regarding their experiences. Short of calling people outright liars i tend to accept that they percieved what they percieved, its only ever their conclusions i may differ on.
The moment we start having reflexive thoughts about WHAT we percieved, opinons in other words, well then the flood gates open from readers challenging every possible angle of what you dare say.
Sticking to pure descriptions is a like the magic bullet of communication. The only real issue for me is finding something that is actually worthy of communicating. I have found that issue a little harder to find.
Writing as sorcery - BarefootInTheSand - 09-15-2011
So what you are saying is that conclusions are not as authentic as perceptions? Perhaps the challenges people post to every angle is really just their attempt at getting back to what is real?
Why are you so worried about being challeneged on every possible angle? Are you posting so that your post is accepted or to just share? If you are just sharing and they are challenging then they are denying themselves an opportunity to connect to you...their loss.
Warriors are solitary creatures. The path a warrior walks is solitary...no one can share it with you. Sometimes in groups like this people lose sight of that. The pleasure of belonging is seductive...like money, fame, and fortune. Belonging is a tie and it gives you history in the minds of your fellow mates, there is no freedom in that. Just a thought.
Writing as sorcery - Guest - 09-16-2011
Warriors are solitary creatures.
They are solitary creatures that form parties... parties of solitary warriors... (supposedly they even 'burn with the fire from within' together, sounds a little fruity O_o)
so obviously they are social creatures as well... contradiction?
Writing as sorcery - Littlepaw - 09-16-2011
Dear All,
When I was writing an experience I had had it didn't work! perhaps because i failed to be inclusive! In my mind the experience is fresh, detailed and meaning ful but when I explain it I find I am up against you and your view of the world. Unraveling different levels of awareness is a process. For me it is like covering an area by remembering each part of every level. Think of it as covering a landscape. It can seem that when you are on a mountain you cannot even remember the place you just were. Like me, you may get stuck on that mountain for far too long until you finally concede that although the view is great from up here, you need to find your footing once again back on the ground so as to plot a path. The reason why it is so hard to explain sorcerers experiences is because nothing above the ground is concrete. I cant say A or B because they loose their value. But am I forgetting some directions? I have up and down but Ive missed left and right. I almost went left in my analogy but decided to come down to earth to ground the conversation, er, speech, whatever. I was going to go from the mountain landscape to the forest. The forest is left and the the left is the unknown. So what is right? The right of course is the KNOWN! If you incorporate the unknown in to the known then it is obviously only going to correspond to somebody else s known. These I believe are the four directions and which give rise to the four postulates of stalking,
Writing as sorcery - seesaw - 09-16-2011
Hi littlepaw,
you dont have to explain anything to us on this thread. I hope instead that this thread just allows people how to describe things instead. To that end i dont want your explanations because to be honest i found them very confusing and difficult to follow.
In fact even if you described about struggling to remember that would probably give us so much more than any explanation you could write about.
Lastly, what didnt work exactly? If you have in your mind the freshness of an experience just describe it as if you are giving us the movie direction of how to replay the same experience in our imaginations. Does this make sense?
Writing as sorcery - BarefootInTheSand - 09-17-2011
My attempt at this writting exercise...if you have the time maybe you would critque if I have met the mark or if there is still work to be done. Thanks.
http://sorcery.yuku.com/topic/3452
Writing as sorcery - Nagual LoneWolf - 12-20-2011
Writing and speaking can create sorcery. Both are forming intent and by writing them or voicing them we set ourselves up for using power if that is our goal.
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Its an act of creativity...
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