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naguals an flyers.. - rosygyro - 04-18-2003

presumably all creatures have a nagual of sorts.. and some have flyers too...
The trick seems to be listening to the nagual rather than the flyer.... a fairly easy task with some and monstrous with others....
the nagual leads people to freedom through heartfelt feeling and oneness.This is a meeting with spirit ( the one spirit!).
The FI on the other hand propels people to freedom by showing them their weakness, their difference and the horrific weight of social conditioning, thus enabling them to muster intent to change... hopefully!..
I may be hoplessly misguided.. so excuse my ramblings..
the flyer is in the mind, it provokes the mind which stirs the emotions into peaks and spikes... then it feeds...
if the particular range of emotional frequencies is silenced the flyer goes hungry...
all emotional imbalances are the result of conditioned response... and personal history.....
the roots of the flyers which must be dislodged are at the sites of personal history where the initial emotional spikes were activated.. ( the first feed).
recapitulation is thouroughly necissary to find these footholds..
these areas must then be healed through not doings.. i.e repairing the cocoon and auric web..through action.
this is the logical method of treatment...

alternativley be silent.
that works too!

naguals an flyers.. - Nagual LoneWolf - 04-19-2003

When a person first faces the concept of the F.I. and the Nagual they either are very afraid because they realize what it is the warrior fights, or they simply refuse to believe.

naguals an flyers.. - elvana - 04-21-2003

I myself have no problems listening rather to the nagual than the flyer. I'm neither afraid nor really busiy with flyers. Mostly I'm considered, how evil emanations intrude into the mind of the humans I deal with.
Rosygyro's post is really great. I wonder where he/she got that knowledge from.

naguals an flyers.. - rosygyro - 04-28-2003

Thankyou for the welcome Nagual Lonewolf.
I will keep my posts to a sensible minimum.. its your party after all..
AS for where i got that F.I and Nagual story from...
a flash of sobriety.. nothing more..
rosygyro.

naguals an flyers.. - Nagual LoneWolf - 07-18-2008

A party of flyers?

naguals an flyers.. - Blue totem - 07-18-2008

Personally, I think it is normal to refuse the concept of the parasite flyer. No one in their right minds would accept a concept right out of the middle ages
(Some christians believe we are controled by an evil demon spirit). I don't believe in the flyer myself, but that`s because I`m not a seer, so I can`t see
the foreign installation (its suppose to look like a pulsating sick energy in the head).

But after saying all this, I can say by experience that the informations in Castaneda's books are exact, are real. So I feel a mix of disbelief,
vulnerability and fear.

In fact, it looks like God decides who gets to see the truth for themselves. A knowledge out of this world, that belongs to only a few. Maybe God wants it like
that. A knowledge that can't be accepted, or forced. A knowledge that has to be experienced and lived.

naguals an flyers.. - Mornings Son - 07-18-2008

'A party of Flyers'

That a really common thing Wolf.

There is a collectiv agreement of the group.

Its probaly pressent in almost every group of people. More or less.

But do flyers form something special in a group?

oh questions questions flowting into the concerned young mind.... hehe

naguals an flyers.. - Bob May - 07-18-2008

Hi Blue Totem,

"In fact, it looks like God decides who gets to see the truth for themselves. A knowledge out of this world, that belongs to only a few. Maybe God wants
it like that. A knowledge that can't be accepted, or forced. A knowledge that has to be experienced and lived."

If it cannot be forced, then God is not deciding. In fact god does not force. That is why we do not all find this knowledge. Not all of us are interested in
it.

Romans 1:20 "For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his
eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without EXCUSE:"

The signs are all around us and the invitation is also. It belongs to only a few because only a few are interested.

This world is not "illusion". It a a book of symbols bringing a message from Spirit. All that we see is a message to us from the Spirit if we just
learn to listen.

Most look at the symbols (the things of "this world"), and call them reality.

A few learn to look behind the symbols and read the Spirit.

God does not force anything. He allows us to choose. But if we decide to turn back home He runs to meet us while we are "still a long way off

and falls on our neck and kisses us."

That is the parable of the "Prodigal Son."

naguals an flyers.. - rosygyro - 07-16-2016

naguals and flyers..
wow i hadnt thought about the Flyer for a while.

LAST MEMORY of flyer.

5am in a field

by a waterfall around 2000ad.
had done some tensegrity morions followed by my first dose of mescaline
it was very wierd.
flyer appeared as a ivy green panther
stalking around me in the field
whilst a white rollsroyce with black tinted windows
sat like an omen of death in the twighlight.

tensegrity..
i used to do that quite a lot..
every day, and always before i went out to face the world.
wierd wierd times..
i miss how much i enjoyed doing the tensegrity
i enjoyed the motions and energy
but the wierd energetic atatchment and the fact
no-one would give me a clear answer as to what dead tensegrity practioner do with their world of assessment
apon death, made me drop it for a while. bbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbb

so anyway this site is pretty messed up.
as you can see my first post in this thread is dated
THE DAY BEFORE I BECAME A MEMBER.
it doesnt make a lot of sense.

(Edit: merged consecutive posts by the same author.)

naguals an flyers.. - rosygyro - 07-16-2016

so anyway this site is pretty messed up.as you can see my first post in this thread is datedTHE DAY BEFORE I BECAME A MEMBER.it doesnt make a lot of sense.

naguals an flyers.. - rosygyro - 07-16-2016

naguals an flyers.. - serloco - 07-18-2016

What you sow is what you shall reap. Indeed every man gets exactly what he makes out of his own life. If you judge the world as cruel and evil then so shall it be for you in your experience, your perception. Every man will get exactly what he has made with his life. If you go around calling life a parasite then a parasite it shall be. However if you look on the bright side of life, and embrace a path of freedom, then so shall freedom be found in your path. So tell me what you would do with that freedom? Would you make fliers with it?

naguals an flyers.. - rosygyro - 08-07-2016

I might just cultivate deep regret in those who know they missed their pivot of the three rings.this regret will spark recapitulation across the pivot of the three rings.
then its just one click and its severence from the tonal. (AGAIN)

naguals an flyers.. - glance left - 12-11-2016

I reap what I sow, until I drop the hoe

It never ceases to amaze me how the whole of the recapitulation can be cultivated in a single, definitive moment...which is never not available, regardless of what the mind might weave in ensnarement to the contrary. The mind will do/say whatever is necessary to ensure its relevance...its survival. As mentioned above, when deprived it grows hungry...and then quite resourceful in attempting to secure its next meal!

I've been watching this whole business playing out on my shoulders for quite some time now. When I'm in the thing's grip, it seems an endless maze with no center. And then, *SNAP!* and it all straightens out and becomes clear. A moment of deep silence, and it's all just gone. Well...maybe a lingering flicker of body-response, but that's just like a dwindling echo, for the most part.

The simplicity of silent awareness....pure magic!

naguals an flyers.. - DoktorGreen - 12-14-2016

Glance you have cracked the skims long ago. And that moment of silence is the slipping past them to the perception of your position! But you know this!

Dok

naguals an flyers.. - glance left - 12-14-2016

Hey Dok...great to see you

Yeah, so the intent is to gain coherence in the perception of that position...if I get your meaning. Coherence is the intent....the deepening view. Resonance.....I've had enough dissonance for several lifetimes, it seems.

naguals an flyers.. - DoktorGreen - 12-15-2016

Haven't we all! For me, Intent is everything. Gaining that solid core is the result of impeccable living over a long time. What's with the elephant?

naguals an flyers.. - glance left - 12-15-2016

Agree, intent is key. Mine is to work from the inside out.

Speaking of working from the inside out, the elephant reflects a dream I had a few years ago. Or was it a dream someone else had, but made an impression? I can't remember lol. Something about it being caged....a carnival animal forced to play a role....yet playing this hauntingly beautiful song on a harmonica/flute like device. So it found freedom by not "thrashing around in the paper bag" as you've said in the past...by not being identified with being imprisoned. That beautiful, haunting music just kind of diffused through the space between the bars because it's too ephemeral to be caged by them.

Feeling is, being centered in the abstract core allows for this diffusion....where solidity becomes unraveled.

naguals an flyers.. - rosygyro - 01-14-2017

I killed my flyerthen a brother artificially stole a fibre i had made, a fusion of the law of fiveand i was left with his flyer lodged upside of my egg.
i guess as my energy had displaced his flyer, the fibre fusion (bundle) i had madewas not as pure and clean as i had thought.i would not want to eliminate the flyer by ejecting it or forcing it out.would rather be immune, leaving the flyer one without a cocoon.and so i keep werking, eventually to make the bundle this flyer needsso that it can be repelled.then i have two bundles.one in the hands of a thief and one in his "other".
naguals and flyers..I re-read my first post from 2003.it still stands true, except back then i was schizophrenic in intensityall living things were demons and demi gods, inorganic beingshoisting me up on stage to be mocked, relentlessly and cheaply.me subjective to a painfull manifestation of ego, bemoaning my loss ofpracticality and the focks i would be less likely to give because of it....................................
My inorganics today are a cool green metalic funnel.. a compass leading only east.my demi-gods and demons, my flyer has nothing to feed on.
i still need to recapitulate I said "I still need to recapitulate"
what is the energetic memory of a flyer that no longer lives in this house?What is the energetci memory of a superfluid fibre that was snatched by a sourcerer?What is a new flyer?where is its west?

naguals an flyers.. - glance left - 01-14-2017

I don't know what to make of your above descriptions/representations of what you experience. In a nutshell, it's beyond me. Thus, the flyer, for you, is something likely very different than the flyer mind for me, as far as I can tell. You said you were born into clarity. Thus your challenge is different so, in essence, I can't relate. I was born into fear and stupidity. Stage 1. Thus my challenge is what it is....a much simpler process, atm.

For me, in this very simple state, the "flyer" is just a word to describe the force behind the compulsion to talk to myself about myself in relation to everything else....constant inner comparison with self importance at the heart of the discussion. Self talk with very little simultaneous self awareness. Conscious awareness, in general, disappears amidst this self talk. And visa versa, the self talk disappears amidst sustained awareness. It's not that I'm forcing anything out, per se. I just that I'm about the unbending intent to uphold the state of awareness where the flyer doesn't exist. What I know, via hunch, is that if that state of awareness is persisted upon, then it will perpetuate itself of its own accord.

West for the "Level 1 Flyer", based on your paradigm above, is the internal dialog couched in terms of personal history I'm guessing. Recapitulation burns through the spiral of that personal history via awareness through recalled events, in the nagualism lineage, from what I understand. A warrior sits down and gazes upon/relives all the recalled events of his/her life but with a detached and purely aware perspective. One that doesn't feed/reinforce the flyer mind and thus isn't inextricably identified with it anymore. The warrior begins to identify with it's abstract "incompressible" core without need for that anchor. In other lineages, which also cultivate awareness, recapitulation proceeds as the need for it arises by addressing the "north" position which clings to its own previous foundation. What goes around, comes around so one can simply sustain a vigil of awareness and deal with/burn through personal history in terms of the compulsion to inner reaction/self talk when, inevitably, events trigger it.

For you, the "new flyer" is whatever it is at your stage of evolution. I don't know what the experience of west is from this advanced position. Something far less "fixed" I can only imagine. I don't doubt you still have to recapitulate. I've heard that warriors face endless challenges, regardless of their advancement. I guess the capacity to remain active and accepting in the face of these challenges is something that gains strength

naguals an flyers.. - rosygyro - 01-15-2017

I was born into a level of clarity i guess.i still had enough intent to trip and hit my head.i cannot tell if it was an acceptance on the warriors pathor a severence from the nagual.i do know that my physical pineal glandits corresponding aura and chakrahas a slice of scar tissue and cracked bone in it.i spent some time trying to energeticly provethat the scar tissue had no rights to limit the chakra.
as such i felt like a portion of myelf was locked outside my head and in my cocoon..i guess while it was there it mingled with the flyer, the flyer found that portion easy to feed onas it contained such a large amount of lost energy.
of course "over time" it also contained a large amount of corporeal energyand so almost by default began to wrestle itself out of the flyers clutches.
I imagine had i been more seperative i would have become lost in thatportion of my cocoon..

naguals an flyers.. - glance left - 01-15-2017

"alternativley be silent.

that works too"

Impression is fear is analogous through four stages of warrior's development, as mentioned. As is the manifestation of the flyer, which is fed by fear primarily, I'm thinking. I guess it means that the solution is analogous too, thus fundamentally the same throughout the stages.

Impression is that silence is the not doing of the fractured self.

naguals an flyers.. - Mornings Son - 01-16-2017

Reflected on this parasite that should 'ride' us, is it a real entity like and IOB or other spirit being?
One dictionary says

flyer
noun1.something that flies, as a bird or insect.

2.an aviator or pilot.

I thought about the ego as a flying shadow, driven by fear of death and suffering, protecting the bodies survival... (The reptile part of the brain? ) Deep rooted instinct of self perseverance. Is this the Flyer?
Anyway Don Juan tells a scary story and actually the Lakota have the concept of the Parasite, that has two parts. Judge/Executioner and Victim/Manipulator
In my working with depression found one beings in my own shadow, The black Ooze. Recently I found a new powerful/deep rooted one. Its sort of close to what Don Juan describes. It have been a long battle with the ooze and its long time since it has been around, even forgot its name. heh.
If we are completely on 'automatic ego trip', its the Flyer in full blossom, with breaks when the Heart shines, more or less often....
In Toltec tradition you can see and heal different parts of you shadow using an Obsidian mirror. It quits good ))))
Some of the parts of me, i found are real scary! Why is there something you fear most in others? Guess what? you see your self in the encounter with others.

naguals an flyers.. - glance left - 01-17-2017

How did you counter the ooze, MS?