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Time & the Foreign Installation - alien - 02-12-2011
I've been doing a lot of meditation lately on the subject of time and how it relates to the machinations of the foreign installation. As we get older, time seems to run faster, at least to our perceptions. "What do you mean it's Christmas again? Another birthday? Another new year? Where does the time go?" we hear ourselves say.
And yet, time is a humanform construct - created by humans, for humans. It can even be scientifically proven that "time" doesn't really exist in the void between galaxies, and that "time" moves at different rates depending on velocity, proximity to other objects in space, human perception, and so on. So, in short, time is as much a transient illusion as everything else. The problem is... it is a deadly illusion because we perceive it as real and experience it as what amounts to a form of ever-increasing "gravity" that is ultimately lethal to our organic form. It erodes us. We grow old. And in "time," we die. So I ask myself if "time" itself is perhaps the greatest weapon currently in use by the foreign installation - essentially a corrosive force that has quantifiable effects even though the thing itself (time) cannot be adequately defined as a phenomenon unto itself.
So what? Maybe. There are those who would argue that we are "simply" born mortal and that is our fate. We are beings who are going to die, or so we have been told.
And yet... is even that conclusion just one more bit ofthe FI's programming sludge worming its way into our belief systems through the consensus reality? Put another way: do we believe in time because our humanform nature predisposes us to experience things "in time", and through our belief, do we create time as the very phenomenon that ultimately kills us? When I think about it, it's a flawless trap. Absolutely flawless. And absolutely inviible to our perceptions most of the... "time." To me, that is the earmark of the foreign installation: hiding in plain sight, using the very weapons we give it, and how often have we said... "Time is our greatest enemy"? Even don Juan argued that a warrior cannot defeat old age... and what is old age but the erosive effect of Time?
Something my mentor/teacher/double said a few years back:
When you are fragmented, each fragment has its own life and its own agenda, its own internal dialogue. That which is cohesive experiences each moment as an eternity, unbroken, and so life becomes an endless and unbroken series of events, memories and manifestations, a single golden filament of consciousness existing both inside and outside of time, but always originating in the Now. That which is fragmented lives sometimes as many as 5 identities (or personality-roles) concurrently, each overlapping the other and each requiring its own measure of time/energy, so the end result is that time SEEMS to compress because more of it is being used – as if 5 people are drinking from the glass instead of only The One. What you have to do is to inhabit the I-Am at all times, and do it with conscious awareness. This may sound easy or trite, but it is the work of a lifetime, and it is the key to your own cohesion, the attainment of the totalty of yourself.
So the question becomes... as impeccable warriors, how do we step outside of time so as to escape the most powerful weapon of the foreign installation? Is it "merely" a matter of personal cohesion, personal wholeness, achieving the totality of oneself right here and right Now? To what extent do we simply accept what we have been told, even up to and including the Toltec teachings which tell us we are beings who are going to die? Perhaps it's true,but perhaps not. I had never really understood why time appears to go faster as we get older, so the explanation quoted above really caught my attention in that it was the first thing I'd encountered that made sense. If we are fragmented as a result of our tonal lives, if we are living 5 different "identities" at the same time, it stands to reason we are using up 5 times the amount of time... playing directly into the machinations of the foreign installation.
Just a thought in passing, but it also occurs to me that certain altered states may be helpful in overcoming the illusion of time. Ever notice that a minute spent in real pain feels like an hour spent in relative comfort? Anyone who's ever had a toothache in the wilderness can certainly attest to this. So what does it tell us about time and our perceptions? Simply that when we are focused in the Now (one of the side-effects of pain, tantra and orgasm, just to name a few options), the perception of Time alters in major ways. Somewhere in that is a key, a tool for us to consider. Obviously we don't want to live our lives in pain (which is just as much an erosive force as time), but there may be lessons to be gleaned from the effects pain has as a focusing element, something I myself have wrestled with over the past few months.
Something to think about. Input and comments welcome.
Time & the Foreign Installation - Turin Otzaki - 02-12-2011
"So the question becomes... as impeccable warriors, how do we step outside of time so as to escape the most powerful weapon of the foreign installation?"
Ok death. As an advisor. That can be received in fear, 'oh god we are gonna die' and so the influence from the foreign installation, it loves us to be afraid.
or it can be considered a reminder of the paramount urgency to remain in the present and not to waste time. No fear.
It sounds to me like the fear aspect of death, posing as running out of time, is getting to you. When this happens to me, I surrender more, seek refuge, tackle head on the fear of Infinity and dive into my attraction to it. Up the LOVE.
Time & the Foreign Installation - alien - 02-12-2011
Turin Otzaki wrote:
"So the question becomes... as impeccable warriors, how do we step outside of time so as to escape the most powerful weapon of the foreign installation?"
Ok death. As an advisor. That can be received in fear, 'oh god we are gonna die' and so the influence from the foreign installation, it loves us to be afraid.
or it can be considered a reminder of the paramount urgency to remain in the present and not to waste time. No fear.
It sounds to me like the fear aspect of death, posing as running out of time, is getting to you. When this happens to me, I surrender more, seek refuge, tackle head on the fear of Infinity and dive into my attraction to it. Up the LOVE.Hi, Turin...
I get what you're saying, although I must say for myself that I am totally without fear these days, as Death and I have become pretty well acquainted over the past few months. What I'm questioning is whether even our most intrinsic beliefs are real or may be nothing more than... well... beliefs. I do agree that how we look at the equation determines the outcome: "oh god we're gonna die" as opposed to an acute awareness of our (seemingly) finite nature while in humanform.
Heh... I know it may not be a popular question, but I do wonder if even don Juan may have been "wrong" about some things - or else was intentionally misleading in certain statements as a means to get Carlos to wake up. Example, "we are beings who are going to die." That's the common belief system, and it certainly appears to be correct... yet as we all know, appearances can be deceiving, and are generally under the control of the foreign installation. And personally, I don't even see the FI as any sort of "alien" intelligence. It is us -human beliefs fed by human fears to the point that it has become what Jung called the collective subconscious... aka the humanform program which runs in the background without even our knowledge and certainly without our consent... the lowest common denominator of our existence, the things we believe without question.
What I've found is that when I start to question some of those real foundational beliefs (such as "we are beings who are going to die") is when it really starts to get interesting. Humans in general (meaning those who aren't on any particular warrior path) will be very quick to defend their beliefs not only in the inevitability of death, but in all sorts of quasi-religious mumbo-jumbo that seems to go hand in hand with the belief itself. "Yes, we're beings who are going to die, but Hohumbohobo (the deity-du-jour) will rescue my soul from the abyss because s/he is a kind and loving deity and I am so special as to deserve such love and divind intervention.." Er... where do such beliefs really come from, since there is no rational foundation for such thinking anywhere in all the worlds? So... what I'm challenging are those really core-beliefs that have not a lot of basis in reality, and yet so many people just seem to go right on believing them anyway. Death is one of them. We perceive on one level that "all things die", but is that realy a truth or is it merely a warped perception of an experience we cannot completely understand?
I realize there are no concrete answers... just a lot of questions. Sometimes I just have to put them down on cyberpaper and stare at them for awhile... just to see where they might lead. Thanks for your input. Always good to hear from you.
Time & the Foreign Installation - Turin Otzaki - 02-12-2011
There's no such thing as death. Sure the bodies go, but that's the shell. That's my 'belief' anyway. But I dont care if ita true or not, cos death as an advisor os pressing me to be present for it all, and that in itself makes for an aware life, a full of intensity one, so either way, Im making the most of it.
What are you questionsing exactly? I think DJM may have put wildcards in there...that some take as gospel.Quiet a few things dont resonate with me.
But re challenging the belief that we die....arnt you then just one of those hopeful and unrealistic immortalists ? I dont have a problem with the idea that these bodies conk out at some point.
Time & the Foreign Installation - alien - 02-12-2011
Turin Otzaki wrote:
There's no such thing as death. Sure the bodies go, but that's the shell. That's my 'belief' anyway. But I dont care if ita true or not, cos death as an advisor os pressing me to be present for it all, and that in itself makes for an aware life, a full of intensity one, so either way, Im making the most of it.
What are you questionsing exactly? I think DJM may have put wildcards in there...that some take as gospel.Quiet a few things dont resonate with me.
But re challenging the belief that we die....arnt you then just one of those hopeful and unrealistic immortalists ? I dont have a problem with the idea that these bodies conk out at some point.Oh, I do agree - the bodies go, or certainly appear to go, but even that is based on what we see and not necessarily what we see. In other words, we only perceive what we are able to perceive, and I have-to-believe (out of common sense) that if a race of "immortals" existed, they would probably stay well away from humans for fear of being slaughtered out of miunderstandin, fear and the like. Do I really believe immortals are among us? Sure. There are so many things we cannot see with our eyes, yet know in our hearts. And, yes, I definitely agree that death as an advisor makes us aware and makes for a fuller, more intense life. Knowing that every action I take could be my last, I choose my battles and my silences with that Knowledge.
What am I questioning? Well.. oh... everything! LOL. Seriously... I agree also that DJM put a few wild cards in the brew, maybe just to get our attention, or (maybe more likely) Carlos himself didn't fully "grok" everything he was taught and could only report it to the best of his ability. I've always felt intuitively that DJM was Carlos's double - or "alter-ego", if one prefers - though I realize most people prefer to think DJM was an extant teacher. Doesn't matter in the long run, since the best teacher we have is the one between our brows, the master of silent knowing. But, yes, I do think there were some red herrings in the stew, and as a result, I also think that a lot of Toltec "students" tend to spend a lot of time and energy chasing after those little fishies. Heh. Maybe I do, too. Seems to be patt of the learning process.
Am I a hopeful or unrealistic "immortalist"? No, not really. Personally, I wouldn't want to stay in this body for eternity. LOL. What I do believe is that we have the ability to transcend/transform/transmogrify - i.e., to essentially go from being organic beings to inorganic beings, by moving the assemblage point from the humanform location into the position of the double. Which brings me to possible another of those red herrings. I'm not entirely an expert on the books of CC, but have read most of them at least twice, some of them (the first 4) quite a bit more than that. Anyway... at some point I recall DJM talking about essentially "leaving the earth in the manner of a sorcerer", and the implication was that the physical body would "disappear" or something to that effect. If I'm wrong, and anyone has the exact chapter & verse, please post it. But what I'm getting at is that this is also a bit of "mythology" that is prevlent throughout many of the traditional spiritual paths, including the myth that when Jesus was "resurrected", his body had become "radiant" and even his own followers didn't recognize him. Energy body? And if so, what became of the corpse left behind in the tomb?
Just questions I ask myself from time to time... sort of a personal area of research/study for me.
Time & the Foreign Installation - Turin Otzaki - 02-13-2011
mmmm one of the most pathetic aspects I see is in the CC circles are people wishing for immortality. Its basically body identification. We are NOT our bodies! so cumonnnnn body death is an experience. Lets not 'hope' to avoid it, or even give it a second thought.
Time & the Foreign Installation - alien - 02-13-2011
Turin Otzaki wrote:
mmmm one of the most pathetic aspects I see is people wishing for immortality. Its pathetic because its basically bofy identification. We are NOT our bodies! so cumonnnnn body death is an experience. Lets not 'hope' to avoid it, or even give it a second thought.I dunno... is it wrong to wish for immortality? I can think of worse things to hope for.
And like I said, I'm not talking about physical immortality - but instead the transference of awareness from the organic to the inorganic. To me, there is a vast difference between "immortality" (physical) and eternal beings (non-corporeal). At the present time, of course,our awareness is seemingly located in our body - there is nothing to prove otherwise, other than one's personal connection to spirit - so I think it's reasonable to consider all possibilities and not just the ones we already believe. Or, at the very least, I think it's reasonable to examine why we may believe certain things, which was the thrust of this topic.
Just for the sake of discussion, you say "we are not our bodies" (and like I said... I agree). But I'd be curious as to why you believe that. Upon what do you base that conclusion? Just curious.
Time & the Foreign Installation - Turin Otzaki - 02-13-2011
by asking for immortality you are back in me me me land.....when complete and utter sacrifice of all, costing everything you hold dear is up for burning is required....if freedom is what you want....no place is there for 'what about me'?
I base it on nothing tangible, just a feeling. I dont really care either, whether we survive death or not. To know I have made the very most of the opportunity is enough.
Time & the Foreign Installation - alien - 02-13-2011
Turin Otzaki wrote:
by asking for immortality you are back in me me me land.....when complete and utter sacrifice of all, costing everything you hold dear is up for burning is required....if freedo is what you want....no place is there for 'what about me'?
I base it on nothing tangible, just a feeling. I dont really care either, whether we survive death or not. To know I have made the very most of the opportunity is enough.
While I undestand intellectually what you're saying, I'm not sure I agree with it completely. Without some sense of self, there is nothing to burn, so the paradox consumes itself and freedom itself has become nothing but an icon in the illusion. And, please understand, I'm not "asking for immortality". Who would one ask, after all? When I'm talking about continuity, I'm not talking about anything on a physical level - though I see no reason why that would be "wrong," per se.
One thing is certain: we can't know one way or the other if we will "survive death" until it happens to us. What I like to challenge are the beliefs we take for granted, because normally when we start looking at them, we start to realize they aren't based on anything other than what we've heard through the grapevine. "All things die," is a rather broad statement to make in a univese so vast. So, my point is simply that when we DO start to examine that kind of fundamental belief sytem, we may discover that it has its origins not in "spirit" but in the machinations of the foreign intallation.
Good conversation.
Time & the Foreign Installation - Turin Otzaki - 02-13-2011
yes! good convo indeed.
"Without some sense of self, there is nothing to burn"
reminds me of the saying "you gotto have an ego to lose one". Ironic perhaps that the (little separate) self has to puff itself up to the max of its in order to be relinquished. A (little) self that has achieved some sense of dominion in earthly terms at least. You cant relinquish effectively a partially complete individuality....it has to be the fat fruit of ages of effort, in order to be effecively surrendered, wow, what an initiation.....give up EVERYTHING, we hold dear, no less. Al an appearance anyway, the real self holds nothing dear other than our essential unity, and Infinity....
Time & the Foreign Installation - Turin Otzaki - 02-13-2011
ok and I get your point re questioing everything...and death of the physical form included, most valid IMHO. However, can you withstand the pressure of the dominant social paradigm and your own belief system re physical death?? I believe that we can ALL walk straight though walls, if only we could believe so......and THAT is te tricky bit. Believing we can.
Time & the Foreign Installation - alien - 02-13-2011
Turin Otzaki wrote:
ok and I get your point re questioing everything...and death of the physical form included, most valid IMHO. However, can you withstand the pressure of the dominant social paradigm and your own belief system re physical death?? I believe that we can ALL walk straight though walls, if only we could believe so......and THAT is te tricky bit. Believing we can.
That's the trick, ain't it? *smiles* Believing we can. I think almost everyone who's read Castaneda's books would most remember Carlos jumping off a cliff... and waking up in his apartment in Los Angeles. What must it be like to have that strength of belief, so profound it could literally overwrite the entire consensus. I want-to-believe with that kind of fervor... but I must admit I haven't jumped off any cliffs lately. Heh. Maybe one day... who knows?
Time & the Foreign Installation - Jessicar.parallelperception - 02-15-2011
I've come back to this thread a couple of times during the past few days, so figure I will comment. Time. An element that the "foreign installation" has used as a tool---just as alien is saying. But what I wonder---and here I'll sound heretical---whether or not lots of things are not used by the FI; (a term I despise because it allows us to alienate and externalize ourselves from that aspect of ourselves that is less than fully self serving in an energy enhancing way), lots of things that we view as positive energy but that still draw upon our energy in substantive ways and draw us away from "inhabiting the I-am at all times". The element I wonder about is love. Just as there might not be anything at all to "time" there might be just as much diversionary tactics used within the experience of "love". We can readily agree that 'negative' terms---death, pain, evil, etc.---engage us in a way that draw us away from being in the moment, from standing at the edge of infinity and experiencing the nagual---almost as though those experiences are no-brainers for energy drains. But, the FI is, I believe, trickier still. Why not also engage those humans at both ends of the spectrum---the positive and the negative---and drain their energy ad infinitum.
If that is the case---time, love, death, pain---are all the tools used by the FI to engage and deplete our available energy expenditure. CC used the term "a bored ***"---and, lord knows, we don't want to be THAT but it would be ingenious of the FI to use the positive and the negative for the same task.
"Conscious awareness" ---now that's our task---neither negative or positive---it simply IS. And how do we get around all of the things that engage us from every possible angle so that we are not longer engaged with the only worthwhile thing to do: live each and every moment as though it is our last.
Time & the Foreign Installation - Nu Lang - 02-16-2011
alien wrote:Turin Otzaki wrote:
ok and I get your point re questioing everything...and death of the physical form included, most valid IMHO. However, can you withstand the pressure of the dominant social paradigm and your own belief system re physical death?? I believe that we can ALL walk straight though walls, if only we could believe so......and THAT is te tricky bit. Believing we can.
That's the trick, ain't it? *smiles* Believing we can. I think almost everyone who's read Castaneda's books would most remember Carlos jumping off a cliff... and waking up in his apartment in Los Angeles. What must it be like to have that strength of belief, so profound it could literally overwrite the entire consensus. I want-to-believe with that kind of fervor... but I must admit I haven't jumped off any cliffs lately. Heh. Maybe one day... who knows?
I once had a dream where I jumped into an abyss. I felt the sheer terror of leaving everything, loved ones and life, behind. I knew I was going to be annihilated. And I was. I fell into that abyss, watched it cover me. Then next thing I know I wake up in bed. Death is real, it just has no 'substance'.
Time & the Foreign Installation - Nu Lang - 02-16-2011
"Conscious awareness" ---now that's our task---neither negative or positive---it simply IS. And how do we get around all of the things that engage us from every possible angle so that we are not longer engaged with the only worthwhile thing to do: live each and every moment as though it is our last."
For me, the best way is to silence the internal dialog. I know we can't do it all the time. But to sit for a while and do it, especially do it when one feels the FI using pleasure/pain tactics you talked about, when you are aware of what its doing then a good combat against it is simply silence and voicing the intent of "no permission", because we didn't ask for this mind, it was given to us, but we can send it away with our intent. I do believe DJ was right that we accumulate inner silence this way.
Time & the Foreign Installation - alien - 02-16-2011
Nu Lang wrote:
alien wrote:
That's the trick, ain't it? *smiles* Believing we can. I think almost everyone who's read Castaneda's books would most remember Carlos jumping off a cliff... and waking up in his apartment in Los Angeles. What must it be like to have that strength of belief, so profound it could literally overwrite the entire consensus. I want-to-believe with that kind of fervor... but I must admit I haven't jumped off any cliffs lately. Heh. Maybe one day... who knows?
I once had a dream where I jumped into an abyss. I felt the sheer terror of leaving everything, loved ones and life, behind. I knew I was going to be annihilated. And I was. I fell into that abyss, watched it cover me. Then next thing I know I wake up in bed. Death is real, it just has no 'substance'.
"...real but without substance..."
Kinda like anti-matter. Not life, but anti-life.
Time & the Foreign Installation - Guest - 02-16-2011
Jessicar wrote:
If that is the case---time, love, death, pain---are all the tools used by the FI to engage and deplete our available energy expenditure. CC used the term "a bored ***"---and, lord knows, we don't want to be THAT but it would be ingenious of the FI to use the positive and the negative for the same task.
Something to chew on for sure!
Time & the Foreign Installation - Nagual LoneWolf - 02-17-2011
Then next thing I know I wake up in bed. Death is real, it just has no 'substance'. -Nu Lang
Very good defining death Nu Lang....very real. The FI can very easily enter into sexual relations of its humans.
Time & the Foreign Installation - interestingprospect - 02-18-2011
Re: The Flyers Program.
The strange thing about the fixation of what death could possibly be, that the world of people are compelled to understand, is that nearly all people arent engaged in experiencing the life that comes before the death. Not a life that they respect. After being exposed to the teachings of the American Indians and after I adopted their practices and put them to use, one of my main dilemmas, was to be concerned about whether or not people who are infested with the flyers mind, deserve any other treatment. The condition of the infestation of the foreign instillation is akin to a disease or condition... ...A spiritual disease and what that disease basically is, is an extravagant condition of Stockholm's Syndrome. Fundamentally, Stockholm's Syndrome is the condition of persons who condone and identify with the maltreatment of their captors. Stockholm's Syndrome is prevalent in the following environments: Prisons, concentration camps, areas of genocide, battlefields, hostage situations, mental hospitals and the most common area of affliction; our corporate markets, which impose detrimental products and life styles on to us. The basic praxis of Stockholm's Syndrome is that the afflicted (victim) begins to tell their self that the malicious treatment of their captor is good for them or that they deserve it, when the treatment isnt good for them and they deserve better treatment. In the case of persons who are afflicted with the Stockholm's version of the flyers dominance, there is a strong element of the afflicted person of them joining the flyers program and helping the flyers, basically to destroy the earth. Within each person, there is an element of them which knows for sure that something is terribly wrong, but they dont ever dare to do something about it. Even if it would mean that they would share what limited inclinations they have, for the safety and security of others, they choose not to, for fear of more suppression, when in fact their life really couldnt get much worse. In the sense that what could the flyers possibly do to someone which they havnt already done? Not much. The existence of these diabolical flyers in our midst is evident in many of our religious doctrines I.E. the bible. So many people are concerned with following God's laws or the laws of their places in the world, yet, what are they really doing. Their following the flyer's laws. So, the question is, if someone is capable of obeying the laws of God or the laws of their state, then, why cant they defy the laws of the flyer, or rather desist from carrying out the behaviors which are destroying them. In order for a flyer to defeat someone, they can only really reach that person through someone else. After all, what do people think about, other people and the wrongs which have been done to them by the other person. Most of the time thats true. The only way to get another on the road to recovery from the affliction of the flyers mental illness, is to show them what it is. Unfortunately, who are we dealing with? Homicidal egotists, who kill to defend the flyers nest... ...I like it when don Juan called them: "The turds, farts and pukes." Sure, everyone deserves to be saved from the flyers wrath, but only a small portion are saveable. So, Ive outlined the flyers problems and unfortunately I dont have much in the way of solutions to offer. I would suggest that laws be implemented which mandate corporations to make the negative effects of their products more comfortable to the consumer. Theres one. Because, why cant people be in comfort, in their torment. The torment may never go away, but that doesnt mean that it cant be enjoyable. If you eat a cheese burger, you actually run the risk of the cheeseburger causing you to die. Its a common food inferiority known as ecoli. What the flyers have done to our world is absolutely appalling. In the first place the living atmosphere which they have injected into our environment is diabolical. In the second place, its totally racist and aside from that the main problems which todays person faces, is the maltreatment of the big corporations, which knowingly feed us a bunch of garbage. Most people may not know specifically the delema of the flyer, but, in the reality fraud which we live we can not deny the results. There must be a way to rid the earth of the flyers. But, I dont know how that can be done. The betterment of societies is a more realistic goal. But, to make the people of any given society better, the Stockholm's Syndrome has to be put in to remission. Time and time again, I hear my fellow pupils citing the social injustices of the ones who hold them in bondage. They dont like their treatment. They dont believe in their treatment. But, they aint doin nothin about it. On top of that, they help their captors not only to ruin them, but to extend the suppression to others. What the person has to decide, is that the conditions of their life arent worth living any more. Its not that its unreasonable or wrong. Its absolutely unacceptable. The main detrimental feature of this Stockholm's Syndrome is that the afflicted person is convinced that the people who are holding them in bondage, wont hurt them a second time or a third time or a fourth time et cetera. So, every step of the way throughout the ordeal the afflicted is evermore predisposed to tolerating their malicious treatment even to the very moment it kills them. Its true that the flyers have infested almost everyone in exactly the same way. But, it would be great to get the majority of these people to stand up for their rights. Its an inner knowledge of freedom that everyone has, that it can be attained and that it exists. This is the one thing that the flyer cant negate. The knowledge that people have that they arent free. So, it would be impossible to get people to acknowledge the flyers mind. But, it wouldnt be impossible to get the same people to fight for their rights according to what the flyer does, without them ever having to realize what the flyer is. One way to get people to act, would be to give them a logical asessment of what the future will be like for the common people of the world. Which is a prison state. You'll have the rich people, who get to be free and everyone else will live in a prison. As of now, most people live in a version of that prison. Which is the box that they work in (their job) and the box that they live in (their home). What those boxes are, are prisons and some day it will be an actual prison. Over and over again, each person is privy to the warning signs of what is to come. If after this proposed prison future comes to pass, there is someone to write a history book about it, the common folk of this world will go down like cowards who did nothing about their demise. Over and out. Remember: You have rights, Constitutional, Amendment Variants, Civil, State, Federal and International-"One person, one vote." Over and out.
Time & the Foreign Installation - Guest - 02-18-2011
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Time & the Foreign Installation - scout1 - 02-19-2011
Well, after another enlightment, before they will lick me up for my grandeur.. the mistake is to take it too seriously.. the only avenue is freedom, everyday life and dreaming..
the only problem is our fellow citizens did not get the chance.. its on you to point the idea of freedom by your example
LA TENSEGRITY WORKSHOP AUGUST 23-27
Bobby and Seymour
In this workshop, the Flyers were simply referred to as the predators, or as Bobby. The latter was a more psychological designation. They described Bobby as simply being like we are: chubby, lazy, a little dumb. We are Bobby. But they also claimed that one never rids themselves of predators completely. There is a predator for every man, woman, child, and sorcerer. For example, although Bobby no longer bothers the witches, they now have Seymour with whom to contend. Bobby likes the awareness covering the lower half of our luminous eggs, but Seymour (see-more ?) feasts on the upper half of the cocoon. Seymour is lean, mean, clever, and evil.
The witches were philosophical about the ubiquitous predatorial nature of the universe. Predators force us to perform at our very best, to evolve, to mutate. Without predators, the universe stagnates. The universe itself endows entities with awareness and sends them out as probes. The probes are what permit the universe to become conscious of itself.
Bobby's Ownership Paradigm
Florinda said that the benevolent interpretation of the way sorcerers handle the world is through elegant acquiescence. We must acquiesce to forces greater than ourselves, but we have the choice sometimes to do so with elegance and beauty, and this is the predilection of the warrior. One big issue that needs to be handled with elegance, according to Taisha, is how we ultimately deal with our owners. The sorcerers choose their words very carefully, and they selected the word *owner* to refer to our parents. Our parents *own* us, because they forever try to bring us back into the fold by stressing our obligations to marry, raise a family, go to church, be a responsible member of the extended family and community, etc. They often compare us unfavorably with one of our siblings if we attempt to stray. It doesn't matter that the sibling is an alcoholic, depressed, wife-beater. At least he's married.
Bobby's ownership paradigm is indeed a paradox for sorcerers, for it seems there is no satisfactory solution. Taisha dealt with her owners by standing on a chair and battering her extra-sized father. After that humiliation, her father forbade the family from having any more to do with her. Taisha stressed that this was a totally unsorceric way of coming up with an elegant solution.
Time & the Foreign Installation - Nu Lang - 02-20-2011
Good post scout...
Stockholm's Syndrome...yes
"Its an inner knowledge of freedom that everyone has, that it can be attained and that it exists. This is the one thing that the flyer cant negate."...yes
The flyer is an influence...only an influence. It has no 'power' but what we give it.
Time & the Foreign Installation - Turin Otzaki - 02-20-2011
"The witches were philosophical about the ubiquitous predatorial nature of the universe. Predators force us to perform at our very best, to evolve, to mutate. Without predators, the universe stagnates. The universe itself endows entities with awareness and sends them out as probes. The probes are what permit the universe to become conscious of itself".
This is spot on. Where does it come from Scout?
Time & the Foreign Installation - scout1 - 02-20-2011
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Time & the Foreign Installation - scout1 - 02-20-2011
its about moral will and confusion
sometimes the circumstances of our lives were confused and so very difficult