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Anti-flyer Gadget - Grand Speculator - 10-16-2010
Here is one idea for warrior-travelers that want to drop the flyer but find themselves unable to do so:
1. Create a dream object-
2. Endow it with the intent to reject flyer-thoughts
3. Place it on your energy body.
Voila! The flyer can't do **** anymore.
Anti-flyer Gadget - koomw - 10-17-2010
http://forum.noblerealms.org/viewtopic.php?id=1064
Tom Paine wrote:
Neomatrix's post on Robert Monroe's writings seems to be an apologia
for the lizards. We're just good guys and we're only doing our job--
like the Nazis said at Nuremburg. How do YOU like being considered
a Chia Pet by the "creator"? Those in the 4th density must "LOVE US"
like we "love" the fragrance of the finest essential oils from the
plant world and we "love" the taste of the flesh of various 2nd density
animals. If this is an example of the food chain here in 3rd density
then what's so wonderful about that? Ah but it's all part of the loosh
spectrum of radiation? Sounds like an ADDICTION to me. There
needs to be a twelve-step program to exit this stupid universe.
Anti-flyer Gadget - Gonzo - 10-17-2010
If you follow the thread koomw posted, the quote below is what Paine was responding to, and provides a perspective. The quote is a summation of what Robert Monroe talked about in regard Loosh and the potential reason for human existence.
So, all of this carries the implication that the primary function of life here -- and especially of human life -- is to learn to be a very high-quality Loosh producer. This energy which we radiate has a very important function in various other levels of creation. My point in all of this is to attempt to make clear that this harvesting or farming is not a "negative" thing that we should rail against. It is in fact, the very purpose of our existence here. Without Someone, Somewhere, the Earth Life System -- and we humans living within it -- would not exist. It also shows that what we view from our perspective as "negative" events, thoughts or emotions are all merely a part of the Loosh spectrum of radiation, and exalting the virtues of the perceived "positive" forms over the "negative" ones is wholly redundant. Suppressing "negative" feelings, as advocated by the "love and light" brigade, actually runs contrary to the design.
Maybe we're just here for the drama...
Anti-flyer Gadget - Lunoor - 10-18-2010
I don't think that love and light is a brigade or advocates suppressing negative feelings, love and light looks at them and heals them.
Anti-flyer Gadget - Gonzo - 10-19-2010
I think you miss the point. If you eliminate the phrase you reacted to, it reads thus:
It also shows that what we view from our perspective as "negative" events, thoughts or emotions are all merely a part of the Loosh spectrum of radiation, and exalting the virtues of the perceived "positive" forms over the "negative" ones is wholly redundant. Suppressing "negative" feelings actually runs contrary to the design.
In other words, the production of Loosh, perhaps our primary reason for existing in human form, comes primarily from conflict, not from love and light, which would explain the popularity of war, for example, to date our most dramatic and fascinating invention.
Anti-flyer Gadget - Lunoor - 10-21-2010
The paragraph that you quote doesn't say that the production of loosh comes primarily from conflict:
So, all of this carries the implication that the primary
function of life here -- and especially of human life -- is to learn to
be a very high-quality Loosh producer. This energy which we radiate has a
very important function in various other levels of creation. My point
in all of this is to attempt to make clear that this harvesting or
farming is not a "negative" thing that we should rail against. It is in
fact, the very purpose of our existence here. Without Someone,
Somewhere, the Earth Life System -- and we humans living within it --
would not exist. It also shows that what we view from our perspective as
"negative" events, thoughts or emotions are all merely a part of the
Loosh spectrum of radiation, and exalting the virtues of the perceived
"positive" forms over the "negative" ones is wholly redundant.
Suppressing "negative" feelings, as advocated by the "love and light"
brigade, actually runs contrary to the design.
And I say it again:
"I don't think that love and light is a brigade or advocates suppressing
negative feelings, love and light looks at them and heals them"
Do you believe in this Robert Monroe's version of reality?
You are so on for war and conflict and so cynical about love gonzo, why so one sided?
Anti-flyer Gadget - Gonzo - 10-21-2010
@Lunoor -
I took poetic license re conflict interpreting "negative feelings" generally as "conflict".
The author of the quote was definitely taking a shot when he said "the love and light brigade", rather like disparaging New Agers or Greenies, or Tree Huggers, and I still think it's funny. However, you continue to ignore the essence of the quote, which is that, assuming our primary purpose is the production of Loosh for other beings, then it is of interest that the highest quality Loosh comes from what he calls "negative" feelings, those which most folk advocate avoiding, but in reality, imo, indulge in most often via conflict with one another in a variety of forms.
What was discussed was not Robert Monroe's version of reality but rather a trip report of his laying out information given to him by another being.
I'm not on for war and conflict. It is what it is. I am on for exposing the hypocrisy of those who say they believe conflict and war ought to be eliminated in favor of peace and tranquility.
Anti-flyer Gadget - Lunoor - 10-21-2010
Gonzo, his statement doesn't say that negative feelings make the highest quality of looosh or even that loosh primarily comes from conflict, perhaps he says it elsewhere in his writings but not in the quote you gave.
Anti-flyer Gadget - Gonzo - 10-21-2010
Actually, L, his statements do say that. Read again.
Anti-flyer Gadget - Wei Shan Yang - 10-22-2010
"I'm not on for war and conflict. It is what it is. I am on for exposing the hypocrisy of those who say they believe conflict and war ought to be eliminated in favor of peace and tranquility."
You want to bring closure to those who seek (wrongly in your view) peace by setting them straight which would put to rest (peace) their seeking in a way you deem untrue. In other words, you view their peace-seeking as a conflict and want to relieve it by exposing it and thus transforming the perception of, which actually supports the idea that the primary reason for living is to bring resolve, healing.
You are trying to bring resolve to the hypocrisy, lol, your very own peace-seeking mission ; ) an attempt to heal what you deem a mistruth. So your prime motive is positive, truth-seeking, even if its incorrect. Otherwise you'd stay silent and let them drown in their apparent hypocrisy. Instead, it bothers you and you seek peace with their actions, in this case, by exposing them so they could potentially change which would make you feel better you suppose.
Anti-flyer Gadget - Lunoor - 10-22-2010
Good one wei, he is scratching his head over this one I expect
Anti-flyer Gadget - Gonzo - 10-22-2010
What's that scritchin' noise?
(Had to make some Tex Mex chili and cornbread - reply is in work...)
Anti-flyer Gadget - Lunoor - 10-22-2010
Dude, I know you were scratchin', scritchin' and scratchin' hehe.
Anti-flyer Gadget - Lunoor - 10-22-2010
Hmm, must be workin' real hard G.
Anti-flyer Gadget - Wei Shan Yang - 10-23-2010
lol, Lunoor, yes
and meanwhile I'm hungry, thanks mucho Gonzo
Ok ur answer better be reeeeal gooooood ; )
Anti-flyer Gadget - Gonzo - 10-23-2010
The chili was one of my better efforts...the cornbread was declared a 10. Now back to my essay.
Anti-flyer Gadget - Gonzo - 10-23-2010
Wei Shan Yang wrote:You want to bring closure to those who seek (wrongly in your view) peace by setting them straight which would put to rest (peace) their seeking in a way you deem untrue. In other words, you view their peace-seeking as a conflict and want to relieve it by exposing it and thus transforming the perception of, which actually supports the idea that the primary reason for living is to bring resolve, healing.
The issue is the primary reason for living, or put another way, the purpose of life. The only person I'm interested in helping with understanding is myself. I engage in discussions, often as The Devil's Advocate, often as a provocateur, in order to draw people out especially from behind conventional beliefs. I want to hear why they believe as they do, and further, to hear if they can defeat my own arguments, refute my own beliefs.
As I posted earlier, in my opinion, our sole purpose for being here is to learn, or better yet, to just experience being here in human form. I'm of the opinion this is not our "natural" form, that we are in fact Inorganic Beings...that is, to quote, "We are not human beings having a spiritual experience: we are spiritual beings having a human experience." Other quotes by Richard Bach have been posted elsewhere.
What makes sense to me is the notion of reincarnation, and specifically as it is discussed in "The Michael Book" by Chelsea Quinn Yarboro, a reference to which may be found at http://www.michaelteachings.com/welcome.html for anyone interested.
Wei Shan Yang wrote:You are trying to bring resolve to the hypocrisy, lol, your very own peace-seeking mission ; ) an attempt to heal what you deem a mistruth. So your prime motive is positive, truth-seeking, even if its incorrect. Otherwise you'd stay silent and let them drown in their apparent hypocrisy. Instead, it bothers you and you seek peace with their actions, in this case, by exposing them so they could potentially change which would make you feel better you suppose.
It has nothing to do with healing, helping, aiding, assisting or feeling better. It has all to do with working towards understanding, despite the old saying about Bodhidarma, in which it is allowed he knows, not that he understands. That, of course, is an ultimate goal, the point of true and abiding unconcern, as reflected in this from The Blue Cliff Record:
The mind of a man of the Way is straightforward, without falsehood; there is no turning away, nor turning towards, no deceitful false mind. At all times his seeing and hearing are normal; there are no further details or subtleties beyond this. He does not close his eyes or block his ears; it is enough that feelings do not attach to things.
Since time immemorial all the sages have only spoken of the faults of impurity; if there is no such perverted consciousness, opinion and thought habits, then it is like an autumn pond, limpid and clean. Pure and clear, without contrivance, quiescent and still, without hindrance; such is called a man of the Way. He is also called an unconcerned man.
Anti-flyer Gadget - Wei Shan Yang - 10-24-2010
Gonzo,
The debate at hand here, which began with your words, is about conflict. You stated earlier it was the primary reason for exisitence in human form. I quote:
"In other words, the production of Loosh, perhaps our primary reason for existing in human form, comes primarily from conflict, not from love and light, which would explain the popularity of war, for example, to date our most dramatic and fascinating invention."Now your recent post seems to have abandoned this completely. So there
is inconsistency in explaining, accounting for your own approach that
actually contradicts what you said. You make have made good chili and
corn bread, but your results here are not as good.
I say its the love for returning to unity that drives us in human form, and showed you how your own actions here were based on this motivation, which is positive. Conflict is only a means of being challenged, but its not a primary reason and serves only a secondary function which is to aid in the overcoming of ignorance.
"The issue is the primary reason for living, or put another way, the purpose of life. The only person I'm interested in helping with understanding is myself. I engage in discussions, often as The Devil's Advocate, often as a provocateur, in order to draw people out especially from behind conventional beliefs. I want to hear why they believe as they do, and further, to hear if they can defeat my own arguments, refute my own beliefs."
Even if your goal is to help only yourself (seeking only unity within you), that's still a positive. Arhats goal is to attain self-enlightenment, unlike a Bodhisattva's. We cannot conclude such a goal is driven by negativity (conflict) as a primary purpose. To elevate the consciousness of just one or to elevate the consciousness of many is a matter of numbers, and within both is spiritual progression (away from ignorance).
"It has nothing to do with healing, helping, aiding, assisting or feeling better. It has all to do with working towards understanding"
If you asked yourself what makes you seek understanding, I think you will find that its the pleasure of such understanding that makes you seek it. Understanding IS feeling better, IS healing...ignorance.
"Since time immemorial all the sages have only spoken of the faults of impurity; if there is no such perverted consciousness, opinion and thought habits, then it is like an autumn pond, limpid and clean. Pure and clear, without contrivance, quiescent and still, without hindrance; such is called a man of the Way. He is also called an unconcerned man."
Ha, sounds like a state of total peace and tranquility doesn't it? You advocate this but not others who say the same (speak of peace) with different words or understandings, but basically both speak of the same endpoint regardless of the paths taken to get there. Your paragraph above is about the end of conflict.
Even the most "evil" being ever spoken of has an interesting myth-story about his origin. The angel Lucifer before his fall from heaven had the task to test humans even then. To do this he had to create havoc, God instructed him to. Your stance says its such conflict that's the primary reason for being human. I say its only secondary, and the fact that being tested only makes us stronger (stronger IB's) shows the primary reason to even do this is positive.
Anti-flyer Gadget - Gonzo - 10-24-2010
Wei wrote:The debate at hand here, which began with your words, is about conflict. You stated earlier it was the primary reason for exisitence in human form. I quote:
"In other words, the production of Loosh, perhaps our primary reason for existing in human form, comes primarily from conflict, not from love and light, which would explain the popularity of war, for example, to date our most dramatic and fascinating invention."
Now your recent post seems to have abandoned this completely. So there is inconsistency in explaining, accounting for your own approach that actually contradicts what you said. You make have made good chili and corn bread, but your results here are not as good.
We're discussing two different things. I said, and I stick by what I said, that the production of Loosh, as stated by the other author, was PERHAPS our primary reason for existence, and that the most efficient production of Loosh was generated, in the author's words, via "negative feelings", which I interpreted to be caused most often by conflict. This is generally speaking what the possible primary reason for our existence is.
In regard my own existence, specifically, and as to my own motives, that's an entirely different topic.
Wei wrote:I say its the love for returning to unity that drives us in human form, and showed you how your own actions here were based on this motivation, which is positive. Conflict is only a means of being challenged, but its not a primary reason and serves only a secondary function which is to aid in the overcoming of ignorance.
I don't agree. Specifically, love has nothing to do with the process. I stated elsewhere that love is essentially an indulgence. The drive is to learn and to understand, and those are my motivations. Conflict occurs with humans primarily because it is the genesis of drama and humans thrive on drama since it dispels boredom.
wei wrote:"The issue is the primary reason for living, or put another way, the purpose of life. The only person I'm interested in helping with understanding is myself. I engage in discussions, often as The Devil's Advocate, often as a provocateur, in order to draw people out especially from behind conventional beliefs. I want to hear why they believe as they do, and further, to hear if they can defeat my own arguments, refute my own beliefs."
Even if your goal is to help only yourself (seeking only unity within you), that's still a positive. Arhats goal is to attain self-enlightenment, unlike a Bodhisattva's. We cannot conclude such a goal is driven by negativity (conflict) as a primary purpose. To elevate the consciousness of just one or to elevate the consciousness of many is a matter of numbers, and within both is spiritual progression (away from ignorance). Once again, you are inserting the business of conflict into the business of spiritual evolution.
Wei wrote:"It has nothing to do with healing, helping, aiding, assisting or feeling better. It has all to do with working towards understanding"
If you asked yourself what makes you seek understanding, I think you will find that its the pleasure of such understanding that makes you seek it. Understanding IS feeling better, IS healing...ignorance.
I should have ended the first sentence with "others".
Wei wrote:"Since time immemorial all the sages have only spoken of the faults of impurity; if there is no such perverted consciousness, opinion and thought habits, then it is like an autumn pond, limpid and clean. Pure and clear, without contrivance, quiescent and still, without hindrance; such is called a man of the Way. He is also called an unconcerned man."
Ha, sounds like a state of total peace and tranquility doesn't it? You advocate this but not others who say the same (speak of peace) with different words or understandings, but basically both speak of the same endpoint regardless of the paths taken to get there. Your paragraph above is about the end of conflict.
It is far from a state of total peace and tranquility. It IS a state of acceptance of what is, conflict, drama, emotion, mud, blood, and beer. Complete acceptance of what is is far from attempting to obtain a state of being that cannot be maintained; i.e., total peace and tranquility.
Wei wrote:Even the most "evil" being ever spoken of has an interesting myth-story about his origin. The angel Lucifer before his fall from heaven had the task to test humans even then. To do this he had to create havoc, God instructed him to. Your stance says its such conflict that's the primary reason for being human. I say its only secondary, and the fact that being tested only makes us stronger (stronger IB's) shows the primary reason to even do this is positive.
Once again...conflict is not related to spiritual evolution...conflict is related to the creation of drama. Spiritual evolution is related to the matter of understanding, and acceptance of self, and of what is, which would include acceptance of conflict and drama. In other words, as Guatama suggested, non-attachment.
Anti-flyer Gadget - Hawkeye Crow - 10-24-2010
I have scanned this thread, think I get the back and forth. Have not looked at the 'Loosh' info.
I still adhere to the basic idea, found in many of the great teachings, and, seemingly that of don Juan, that balance is the engine of sublime life.
A time for everything, in its time.
As stated before, elsewhere at SW, the Americas were an environmental paradise before the coming of the Europeans. Disease was minimal. likely due to evolution. There was plenty for all, even in the most sparse, desert area. There sure was nothing like resource scarcity. Why was there no overpopulation? No one ever asks that, among other , questions. Most peoples (I'll put the Aztecs aside for now) recognized and respected their blessings. Balanced management from the perspective of non-self importance, meaning a sense of equality with other parts of creation, was religion, supported by Legend-myth and Dreamer-Seers, who built up those legends.
So what am I saying? this: the present Tonal is one of imbalance and therefore of vast confusion among those who attempt to find its purpose. Perhaps the Flyer is a good example of Legend that explains why modern man continues to be blind to the reality , and remains obsessed with failed policies.
It is my present attitude that if human beings do not return to this way of living, universal cause and effect will force it upon them, if they survive.
Conflict seems to be all there is these days. And while there has always been some kind of conflict in human experience, it is WAY out of hand today.
From what I have studied, conflict was considered negative by the Pueblo villages of the American southwest. Their entire social structure was designed to prevent it. Structure , discipline, ritual and effort are the items required to create balance, to bring the Mind, individual and collective, under control. Is that Zen?
Anti-flyer Gadget - Wei Shan Yang - 10-25-2010
"I don't agree. Specifically, love has nothing to do with the process. I stated elsewhere that love is essentially an indulgence. The drive is to learn and to understand, and those are my motivations. Conflict occurs with humans primarily because it is the genesis of drama and humans thrive on drama since it dispels boredom."
Yes, I know, you prefer the loveless perspective. I'd say you just love the loveless perspective
boredom
drama
Loosh (smoking the Loosh)
Love
My dream of using all the smilicons in one post has been attained.
Anti-flyer Gadget - zombiewarrioroflight - 03-11-2011
This is awesome and would work!!
I have several dream objects on my dream body permanently. One is a green jewel on my third eye that keeps good thoughts in and bad thoughts out, and keeps my third eye balanced. Another is a bear claw necklace that has the energy of my soul mate. Another is a green and yellow ring that keeps my mom from stealing my energy and creates an aura around myself that keeps out her thought energy.
I can feel the energy of the objects on my dream body in waking life too.
Anti-flyer Gadget - Guest - 03-11-2011
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Anti-flyer Gadget - zombiewarrioroflight - 03-11-2011
lol did you just make that up???
Anti-flyer Gadget - ninth octave - 03-12-2011
LOL..I love your anti- flyer gadget Rainbow Diamond Unicorn!!!
Mine is I say a prayer for my enemies before I fall asleep. yawn..lol