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Two Minds - Guest - 06-05-2010
From The Active Side of Infinitity
"Every one of us human beings has two minds. One is totally ours, and it is like a faint voice that always brings us order, directness, purpose, The other mind is a foreign installation. It brings us conflict, self-assertion, doubts, hopelessness: it's ourselves as the me-me center of the world.
Let's put the topic of our two minds aside and go back to the idea of preparing your album of memorable events. Such an album is an exercise in discipline and impartiality. Consider this album to be an act of war. As such, it has all the meaning in the world.....
We are not naturally petty and contradictory. Our pettiness and contradictions are, rather, the result of a transcendental conflict that afflicts every one of us, but of which only sorcerers are painfully and hopelessly aware: the conflict of our two minds! One is our true mind, the product of all our life experiences, the one that rarely speaks because it has been defeated and relegated to obscurity. The other, the mind we use daily for everything we do, is a foreign installation.
To resolve the conflict of the two minds is a matter of intending it. Sorcerers beckon intent by voicing the word intent loud and clear. Intent is a force that exists in the universe. When sorcerers beckon intent, it comes to them and sets up the path for attainment, which means that sorcerers always accomplish what they set out to do."
Two Minds - Lunoor - 06-05-2010
Thanks for posting this datura8
Two Minds - Guest - 06-05-2010
You're welcome! =) Just been pondering on the issue today - it is a pretty fascinating concept. I dont know if I fully accept it yet, maybe part of me doesnt wish to, but its really hard to argue with the quote and having two minds. Cause ive felt that many times, where I would just have random thoughts and I would be like 'where did that come from?' So I examine the triggers of them, and just try to keep with 'true mind.' I do accept (which is rather zen) that we have an original mind which is untainted, and the goal is to get back to it.
Two Minds - Tiff - 06-06-2010
"That rock is a rock because of all the things you know how to do to it," he said. "I call that doing. A man of knowledge for instance knows that the rock is a rock only because of doing, so if he doesn't want the rock to be a rock all he has to do is not-doing. See what I mean?"
"The world is the world because you know the doing involved in making it so," he said. "If you don't know its doing, the world would be different." Journey to Ixtlan
I posted this in another thread and saw it was also appropriate here. It alludes to the two minds. One is the social doing mind of learned perimeters (punishment/reward) the other is the not-doing mind of magical origination, the true mind. The one that's left after the doing mind is relinquished.
Two Minds - pegy - 10-29-2010
we percive description of the world instead the world as it is. description is what lead our actions and gives us impression of 'knowing'-
to get rid of description is havy but not impossible. that is why we recapitulate- to get rid of patterns, description of the world and ourself- we come there where we know that we dont know but we descover way to know - directly, by perceiving.
Two Minds - Lunoor - 10-29-2010
Could this be controlled folly? --Aware that we run by programs, and that we as the meta-programmers can create software that will mature this seed to it's vine-y transmission of transmogriffin so that we may walk in all colors that span the six directions? Maybe even more?
Two Minds - Turin Otzaki - 12-22-2010
Its like I have 2 completely different minds. One is completely unafraid
(even of dying) and the other one has a multitude of fears. And there
is a constant battle between them. I know which voice is closest to me,
more real to me and it is the fearless one.
However
there is a part of me that wants to belong here in the community, to
society, to share and be part of what everyone else is experiencing.
Because of this desire I try to walk a path that includes both. So I
still listen to the mind that appraises everything according to the
shared reality, values and judgements held by society. Its the part of
me that wants to remain 'sensible' according to the wider social
paradigm in which I live and run a business. But so often the commentary
of this mind is at odds with the other voice, the quieter wiser and
deeper one.
Take
this weather situation for example. The 'sensible' mind is having a
freakin' fit at the negative effect on the cash flow, at me continuing
to employ the men through this who are working at about a third of the
pace due to it being minus 8 today!!!! But in my heart of hearts I know
we will get through this, that there is nothing to fear, everything will
be alright....I can spend the spring making up for it, and pay the
bills then. Giving them work right now is more important. Because I care
about them deeply.
However for that deeper part of me, the scary thing is for me, is that
'alright' for it might include the business ceasing to exist!! Yes! That
part has other ideas about what thriving constitutes. In fact according
to it, letting the business go might be the best thing. And I don't
want that. Not that I think it does think that right now, but that's the
sort of disregard it has for the material world. For it nothing stands
in the way of progress, that of living a fully authentic life.
So
the 'sensible' mind is terrified of giving up itself to this fearless
mind. I am scared of giving it up, because it is unpredictable where it
will take me, and may have me make decisions that
So here we have the crux of this conflict for me. Following spirit means
not holding onto anything at all. And I want to hold onto some things
that I like. Does that mean that I am living a compromise? Yes. Does
that sit well with me? No. I want to follow spirit wherever it leads me
in full trust. But I'm scared to. I'm scared of the changes this will
create in my life. I am again reminded of TS Elliots words.... "a
condition of complete innocence, costing not less than everything".
I have had so many many experiences of listening to the loud voice of
the socialised 'sensible' mind screaming at me with its fears and
concerns....only to find out that that was all they were, fears, and in
fact everything turned out perfectly and those fears were based just on
fearful imaginings. So I have progressed in that I dont listen to it
much now, though I give it a say when I am seeking inner counsel on
things.
It sees everything in black and white and always misses the subtle
nuances. And because I dont listen to it it means I am alone and have to
keep my own counsel. Being alone is a challenge for me. I know inside
we are one really. But I dont put as much weight on the rational ma=ind
as everyone else. And I cannot seek counsel from anyone around me on
most matters because they all share the socialised fearful mental
concerns that sound oh so rational when you give them a chance to air
their views. And when I do forget this and listen to them, then it only
strengthens that part of me I am trying to subdue beneath the wiser
voice and directives I have.
Its
a raging inner conflict. And business brings it to the fore. I am
trying to exist in 2 worlds simutaniously. In this business I am like
the mother, that cares for and nurtures the guys. Can I afford to care
and still follow the promptings of spirit? I am scared to follow spirit
more than I am right now. But I want to. And I know it doesnt
necessarily mean 'giving up' anything.....but........it might.
On this issue of feelings. I like caring. But I'm aware it can and does
interfere with economic progress. Can you be a boss and really care?
People keep saying to me, 'you're in business to make money at the end of the day'.
That is the type of counsel one gets from those who only have one mind,
the mind of the dominant social paradigm. That's not why I am in
business actually.
I
like creating beautiful gardens. I like the learning opportunity in so
many ways - of making friends with responsibility, of making decisions,
the challenge of having a foot in both worlds (inner and outer,
spiritual and material), I like not having a boss, I like the whole
experiment of it. I like getting better at it. I like how my time is
free. I like how every garden is different. I like dipping intimately
into peoples lives out there (the clients) and I enjoy seeing how people
live. Oh yeah! and I like having money. See, its the last thing I
thought of there. Its hard for me to get motivated or excited about
making money. What does excite me about it is that having more money
would present a whole new set of variables to deal with and enjoy
exploring.
Two Minds - Lunoor - 12-22-2010
Tis is a really good post Turin, thanks, have been watching my minds for awhile, today it is especially noticeable, coinciding with your post.
Two Minds - Wei Shan Yang - 12-23-2010
Yes, money is definitely the least important thing in the whole entire universe. A pseudo replacement for power (the nagual). At best, money is merely a means of survival, at worst...a fatal distraction.
Two Minds - snowblind - 12-23-2010
holy HELL Turin! I could have written that! The wheel does turn and the hoop does spiral, we need only to ride it.
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