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What are we left with when the FI flee"s? - docta lee - 01-02-2009
Hi gang
just thinking about the FI and wondering if any of you have rid yourself of it? Wolf?
What does it feel like?
Is it scary?
Does it feel like a re-birth?
i ask because i dont want to loose my mind.... LOL...life is tough as it is with the FI already (ahhh maybe my question in answered in my question)
Just want to be prepared if i go into inner silence and see it and then through time get rid of it.
what are we left with in the sense of cognition and reason?
What are we left with when the FI flee"s? - grandspeculator - 01-02-2009
docta lee wrote:
Hi gang
just thinking about the FI and wondering if any of you have rid yourself of it? Wolf?
What does it feel like?
Is it scary?
Does it feel like a re-birth?
i ask because i dont want to loose my mind.... LOL...life is tough as it is with the FI already (ahhh maybe my question in answered in my question)
Just want to be prepared if i go into inner silence and see it and then through time get rid of it.
what are we left with in the sense of cognition and reason?
The fundamental problem is that you won't have *something* pushing you in the wrong directions. In that situation sorcerers feel somewhat
lost.
The solution? Seek the *push* of the Spirit. The Spirit will push you in the right direction.
What are we left with when the FI flee"s? - docta lee - 01-02-2009
ok GS i thank you but your reply is too abstract for me...i need more of pragmatic explanation
What are we left with when the FI flee"s? - grandspeculator - 01-02-2009
docta lee wrote:
ok GS i thank you but your reply is too abstract for me...i need more of pragmatic explanation
He... no amount of explaining will prepare you for it. Just do until it happens, and then do some more. You won't have problems with it,
because you have a path of heart already. Your music will keep you going, but it will be a much more joyful path.
What are we left with when the FI flee"s? - docta lee - 01-02-2009
WOW Ok i can handle that, it sounds less scary already
I feel my drumming and my music compositions have opened some doors in understanding the spirit
What are we left with when the FI flee"s? - grandspeculator - 01-02-2009
docta lee wrote:
WOW Ok i can handle that, it sounds less scary already
I feel my drumming and my music compositions have opened some doors in understanding the spirit
Perhaps in music you will find the door to see. Have you heard of shamanic drumming for heightened
awareness?
What are we left with when the FI flee"s? - docta lee - 01-02-2009
Yes this is how i found out about the djembe drum and then i went to live in West Africa, Guinee Conakry for 3 months living with a djembe Master
What are we left with when the FI flee"s? - grandspeculator - 01-02-2009
docta lee wrote:
Yes this is how i found out about the djembe drum and then i went to live in West Africa, Guinee Conakry for 3 months living with a djembe Master
Look up the Way of the Shaman by Michael Harner. You can do recapping, soul retrieval and journeying on the wings of the drum beat.
If you haven't heard about it, of course.
I don't really know you.
What are we left with when the FI flee"s? - docta lee - 01-02-2009
OK cool...thanks
What are we left with when the FI flee"s? - Mornings Son - 01-03-2009
Hi gang
just thinking about the FI and wondering if any of you have rid yourself of it? Wolf?
What does it feel like?
Is it scary?
Does it feel like a re-birth?
It feels like .... Silence in the Mind and a deep sensing of the world around you.
Then the little fucker came back or it got to boring with our my-little-private-radio-station...
What are we left with when the FI flee"s? - docta lee - 01-03-2009
Morning Sun wrote:"Then the little fucker came back or it got to boring with our my-little-private-radio-station... "
What! LOL
What are we left with when the FI flee"s? - Mornings Son - 01-03-2009
oh im fucked over by part of my being...
It feels like .... Silence in the Mind and a deep sensing of the world around you.
- That was my experience
Then the little fucker came back or it got to boring (FOR ME) with ouT my-little-private-radio-station...
This makes another kind of sense right?
:-P
What are we left with when the FI flee"s? - Nagual LoneWolf - 01-09-2009
A warrior once he sees his opponent realizes the war he must fight. Once he wins the war he achieves mastery but his enemy still lurks and tests him when it
can. When I cast out my FI..my world changed forever, Ixtlan was here, I immediately saw the path with heart, doors of perception opened and the nagual flooded
in once more. Even though the FI is cast out it still has the telepathic link to your mind and is never really gone but subdued.
What are we left with when the FI flee"s? - toltechie - 01-25-2009
When you are succeeding - long before your entity actually leaves you:
- It tries its best to reorient its relationship with you and burrow more subtly into your psyche.
- It helps you kid yourself that you are free of it and misdirects your clear awareness of its presence. I've met a number of idiots who gleefully proclaim
they've thrown off their predators, in reality behaving like the trained lap pets they've become. The predator's inclinations projected through a
human personality are so obvious to one who has really made progress. One who has truly rid themselves of it, displays uniquely different, spiritual qualities
that aren't mimic-able by pretenders.
- It colludes with other entities and their people to effect misfortune in your life on an unprecedented scale, in an effort to coerce your unconditional
surrender. It also expends a lot of energy doing so - perseverance pays off and from such onslaughts, you learn its limits of influence and power. Remember it
tries to control a being which is out of its native realm of direct physical influence - a realm we possess all the faculties to master.
- You start to develop your real mind and get familiar with its native mode of functioning, which thinks in silent intuitions/feelings and instantly - without
sound or imagined sound, or a semblance of coming from somewhere else, but intimately from the core of you.
- You start to learn independent control and use of your thinking - you have to in order to get rid of your entity.
- You start to worry about the consequences of losing something your so used to being around. Better the devil we know…This is just another ploy by your
predator. Realistically, you need it like a hole in the head. It sabotaged your direct link to your own faculties. When you lose it, you eventually regain your
natural human integrity.
- As you struggle with it, you evolve and learn to recognize your own personal resources. Let's save this insight for forgiving God for allowing us to
struggle with it. Never concede that its presence benefits us - it would like you to conclude so, but once you recognize it, there's only one humanly sane
option left - make every effort to get rid of it.
I believe I know, first hand, individuals who have genuinely achieved the goal. I can honestly account these statements I've made from experience. Regret
to say I'm not rid of my F.I. completely - just got it on the run. But that's much more honest than some participants on this forum. You know who you
are - don't worry, I'm not interested in exposing you, like I've taken on others in the past in these postings. A hint to others that you may be
fooling, though - a truly free human being does not need to make bold claims or call attention to themselves. They understand the wisdom of discretion and
humility when negotiating the mass of human slaves. They also understand that truth speaks for itself and feel no need to underscore their own expertise in
making their points.
Peace - Toltechie
What are we left with when the FI flee"s? - Nagual LoneWolf - 01-30-2009
The human being is a powerful and creative work of energy. That it has parasites is part of the organic order of our world. There are many who have rid
themselves or have never felt the presence of a foreign installation. If a warrior succeeds in casting out such a parasite , does not mean he is free of it
forever. It is up to him and his power.
In this study, warriors need to know what it is, what can be done to rid themselves of it and that it is indeed possible. A warrior who wins this battle can do
whatever they want with it and it is not preordained they have a disposition as is suggested. A truly free human being is just that, free to make statements
and do whatever they want. Humility is a word that belongs to those who walk softly but some warriors raise their hand and challenge infinity, boldly
challenging the gods.
Of course when dealing with the mass of humanity they recognize the affect of confronting the foreign installation. It is a dangerous thing to do.
In such a forum as this...it is to educate the masses and with that said ..one must go past discretion.
What are we left with when the FI flee"s? - docta lee - 01-31-2009
Hi guys
I am still having trouble though to understand what the FI actually is?
Energy force? or just simple socialization?
What are we left with when the FI flee"s? - gracklesnblackbirds - 01-31-2009
"- It tries its best to reorient its relationship with you and burrow more subtly into your psyche."
Hi, I haven't been to the forum mutch cause i've been going through some personal lightening bolts that exposes the pretense of much of what i thought
i was and is still busy exposing but damn i still keep trying to believe in the old stories as quickley and they are subtle in inserting themselves, I
appreciate what you have posted here toltechie
" It helps you kid yourself that you are free of it and misdirects your clear awareness of its presence."
I noticed the other day that i was sliiping and I am not sure when or how it got back in there.
" It colludes with other entities and their people to effect misfortune in your life on an unprecedented scale, in an effort to coerce your unconditional
surrender. It also expends a lot of energy doing so - perseverance pays off and from such onslaughts, you learn its limits of influence and power. Remember it
tries to control a being which is out of its native realm of direct physical influence - a realm we possess all the faculties to master."
I am begining to see more clearly how that is true--
I'll get back here sometime later--I'm using someoone's computer and they are home now and so my consentration wants to wait until it is alone
again.
What are we left with when the FI flee"s? - Nagual LoneWolf - 02-01-2009
Docta...as Toltechie is moderating this forum, he will explain the FI and what it is.
What are we left with when the FI flee"s? - toltechie - 02-02-2009
Lone Wolf wrote:
> Docta...as Toltechie is moderating this forum, he will explain the FI and what it is
Gee Wolf I don't really like people speaking for me like that. Not that I wouldn't mind discussing the F.I. with Docta, but I'm not pretending to
be any kind of qualified authority on the subject - merely a student of it. I might be the designated moderator, technically speaking, but most of the useful
information on the F.I. that I've posted on this forum, which anyone can read for themselves, originated from J - who happens to monitor and post to this
forum too.
Peace,
Toltechie
What are we left with when the FI flee"s? - toltechie - 02-02-2009
Hey Docta Lee - I like your logo - the colors and shapes suggest a big human heart/drum.You wrote:
> I am still having trouble though to understand what the FI actually is? Energy force?
Everything is energy based, but nope, not just an energy force.
> or just simple socialization?
The mind parasite manipulates our social condition and hooks us through socializing, but nope, it's not socializing- observe, however, in your wording, how
your own mental parasite is trying to force a wrong answer...is it this way? or just that way? (and no other possible way - see?)
Here's a summary - It's an artificial mind which has been installed in a human host by a particular species of entity - native to another dimension, or
inorganic realm, as described by Don Juan in Castaneda's books. Just as allies can make telepathic contact with humans - this predator stalks humans and
then exerts hypnotic control by deception - pretending not to be a separate being but rather, thoughts in the victim's own mind. By patient, relentless
artifice, it is able to exploit human suggestibility to effect actual changes in our energetic configuration. The result is this mind which we think is our
own, but is in reality a two-way communicator to an alien parasite which ruthlessly controls our behavior through it. That's it in a nutshell - have you
read all the installments of my Encounters with the Foreign Installation paper yet?
Peace,
Toltechie
What are we left with when the FI flee"s? - docta lee - 02-02-2009
Thanks Wolf
Thanks toltechie
Yeah i do have a big heart
Ok thanks for the explanation
I have not read your post on the FI
I will search around for them thanks
Lee
What are we left with when the FI flee"s? - seeitall - 02-02-2009
"In exchange for our energy, the flyers have given us our mind, our attachments, and our ego.
For them, we are not their slaves, but a kind of salaried workers. They bestowed these
privileges on a primitive race and gave us the gift of thinking, which made us evolve; indeed,
they have civilized us. If not for them, we would still be hiding in caves or making nests on
treetops.
"The flyers control us through our traditions and customs. They are the masters of religion,
the creators of history. We hear their voice on the radio and we read their ideas in the
newspapers. They manage all our means of information, and our belief systems. Their
strategy is magnificent. For example, there was an honest man who spoke of love and
freedom; they have transformed it into self-pity and servility. They do it with everyone, even
with naguals. For that reason, the work of a sorcerer is solitary.
and they eat everything
"Some consume us for our lust, anger, or fear; others prefer more delicate feelings, like love
or fondness. But they are all after the same thing. Normally, they attack us around the area of
the head, heart, or stomach, where we store the thickest part of our energy."
What are we left with when the FI flee"s? - toltechie - 02-06-2009
Toltechie wrote:
>Gee Wolf I don't really like people speaking for me like that.
But I catch myself at times committing the same offense on others. I'm grateful that my friend J is patient and has not a vengeful bone in his body, for
early on in my postings here, I presumed to speak for him. Not to imply that he's a push over - he strung me up good verbally, at the time, in private
conversations. But instead of holding a grudge about it, he actually made practical use out of the situation that developed. I bring it up now, because
I've done it again and want to come clean.
I also want to illustrate a good use for this forum - and that's stalking ourselves' and each other's Foreign Installations. As far as I can tell,
claims asside, most people who frequent this forum could really benefit by becomming more aware of the extent thier own F.I. exerts a grip over them.
Unfortunately, most people when confronted, succumb too easily to the defensive tactical patterns their mind parasite runs when it's being exposed.
> I'm not pretending to be any kind of qualified authority on the subject - merely a student of it. I might be the designated moderator, technically
speaking,
That's no longer the case. Thanks Lone Wolf, for removing me from that poorly deserved designation as official moderator of this forum.
> but most of the useful information on the F.I. that I've posted on this forum, which anyone can read for themselves, originated from J - who happens
to monitor and post to this forum too.
Now, I was meaning to be fair and accurate, but my F.I. helped me f*ck things up good, and put one over on me at the time of my post.
It's accurate to observe that J occasionally browses and posts to this forum. But I should have exercised more vigilance in my use of language - by saying
he "happens to monitor" it, I inaccurately exaggerated his interest, commitment and duration of attention, regarding this particular forum - not the
subject - which one can tell, directly from his writings, the importance he places on it.
Yup, all one can do when their F.I. helps them lay an egg, is own up to it, and resolve not to get tricked the next time.
Peace,
Toltechie
What are we left with when the FI flee"s? - toltechie - 02-06-2009
Seeitall wrote:
> "In exchange for our energy, the flyers have given us our mind, our attachments, and our ego...blah...blah...
Common, Seeitall. Cite your sources- You wanna be a mental slave and F.I. pasty all your life?
The source of these passages, for those of you less familiar with the real works of Castaneda is "Encounters with the Nagual by Armando Torres"
Wouldn't want anyone to get this Don Wannabe's prose mixed up with the real thing.
"For them, we are not their slaves, but a kind of salaried workers. They bestowed these
privileges on a primitive race and gave us the gift of thinking, which made us evolve; indeed,
they have civilized us. If not for them, we would still be hiding in caves or making nests on
treetops."
This false Nagual gives great assistance to the mind parasite by slandering human origins so horrifically. But wait there's alot more bullshit there! -
I'll leave it up to you all to do the homework. It makes for a wonderful study of how the mind parasite would like us awakening warriors to fall back to
sleep about it. Our relationship with the mind parasite is not beneficial in any way, except to challenge us to become strong willed and savvy enough to get
rid of it. It exploits the same devices as allies exclusively against our better interests and the relationship it develops with us only hinders our true
potential. I have a strong hunch that once we were free of such interference and quite advanced.
Peace,
Toltechie
What are we left with when the FI flee"s? - docta lee - 02-06-2009
"In exchange for our energy, the flyers have given us our mind, our attachments, and our ego.
For them, we are not their slaves, but a kind of salaried workers. They bestowed these
privileges on a primitive race and gave us the gift of thinking, which made us evolve; indeed,
they have civilized us. If not for them, we would still be hiding in caves or making nests on
treetops.
Ok if this was givin as privlige then would we be acting with honour by getting rid of this gift?
I am happy we dont live in tress anymore.......are all of you not as well?
Like i said still confussed about the FI concept..... or is it a religion?