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Dark energy - Blue totem - 12-24-2008
This is a post from Dreamways forum.
"The reason sorcerers have to take energy from the realm of inorganic beings is because there is no other viable energy for sorcerers."
"To fly into other realms, to see energy, to forge the energy body, et cetera, et cetera, is another matter. For those maneuvers, sorcerers need loads of
dark, alien energy."
"They take it from the inorganic beings' world by the mere act of going to that world. All the sorcerers of our line have to do this.
I wonder why this energy is so potent?
I also wonder how to get this kind of energy without going to the inorganic world. Anyone have a clue?
Dark energy - grandspeculator - 12-24-2008
I wonder why this energy is so potent?
I also wonder how to get this kind of energy without going to the inorganic world. Anyone have a
clue?
I'm still not talking to you, but since you asked a fair question, I'll answer it to the best of my knowledge.
I still don't care about what you think!
That energy is power-of-awareness that comes from the inorganic beings. Being close to them, or coming in contact with them, gives us a "boost" to
our energy body.
It's not that powerful, but for sorcerers is a really big deal.
Power-of-awareness and/or personal power can be perceived by many other sources: Other inorganics, the earth (remember the boost?), people of power, vital energy, power plants, animals, forces of nature, deities, angels, God, etc.
PS: God's energy is free, but to get it you need to be somewhat selfless... so I guess it's not free after all.
Dark energy - Blue totem - 12-25-2008
How can you get it without going to the inorganic world?
There must be a way. Their world is parallel to ours.
So it's basically located in the same space as ours...
Dark energy - grandspeculator - 12-25-2008
Blue totem wrote:
How can you get it without going to the inorganic world?
There must be a way. Their world is parallel to ours.
So it's basically located in the same space as ours...
Grabing an inorganic as an ally... something that requires long preparation.
PS: If you don't agree with Don Juan, go tell him about it! See if he cares! That, if you find him.
Dark energy - Blue totem - 12-25-2008
Yipes, you really take your Don-juanism seriously. Whatever suits you...
But you know, the thing about not caring about anything or being detached,
it works on paper, but in real life, its no good...
Mmm, grab an ally, that's a good idea. CC was in this world and he did have contact with DJ's allies... Good spec.
Dark energy - The Fool - 12-25-2008
"But you know, the thing about not caring about anything or being detached,
it works on paper, but in real life, its no good..."
What will you care about when you die ?
And what is "real life" ?
Dark energy - grandspeculator - 12-25-2008
The Fool wrote:
"But you know, the thing about not caring about anything or being detached,
it works on paper, but in real life, its no good..."
What will you care about when you die ?
And what is "real life" ?
PS/FYI: Castaneda was soo within the world of inorganics that he fell in one of their traps and was virtually killed and left death in that world. He was
saved by the mother-fucker-****-egotistic-and-very-ignorant Don Juan. What an **** he was... Don Juan.
***... I don't know why do I bother reading about him and learning his ways!!
Dark energy - Blue totem - 12-26-2008
If everything would be allright with CC books.
There would'nt be a site called sustained reaction...
Or Amy Wallace's book, the sorcerers apprentice...
So go ahead if you wanna follow, but I'm not fooled by sectarian behavior.
I'm ok with nagualism, but not ok with Don Juan.(I'm not the only one.)
Dont know, maybe I would be better off on Parallel Perception fourm.
Dark energy - grandspeculator - 12-26-2008
Blue totem wrote:
If everything would be allright with CC books.
There would'nt be a site called sustained reaction...
Or Amy Wallace's book, the sorcerers apprentice...
So go ahead if you wanna follow, but I'm not fooled by sectarian behavior.
I'm ok with nagualism, but not ok with Don Juan.(I'm not the only one.)
Dont know, maybe I would be better off on Parallel Perception fourm.
How ironic!
Dark energy - seeitall - 12-26-2008
Blue totem wrote:
If everything would be allright with CC books.
There would'nt be a site called sustained reaction...
Or Amy Wallace's book, the sorcerers apprentice...
So go ahead if you wanna follow, but I'm not fooled by sectarian behavior.
I'm ok with nagualism, but not ok with Don Juan.(I'm not the only one.)
It will always come to that. People take the teaching, remove what they do not
like or can not handle from it (which are by the way the most important parts)
and then stick with the worthless **** that remained and admire themselves how smart they are.
You are not the only one indeed.
Dark energy - Blue totem - 12-26-2008
Hey seeitall, since you insist on using insults, why don't you go fornicate yourself...
Yes people, Some filtering needs to be done. Like I said before, people believe what they read...
Its not because its written, that its true or good. I've been reading for a long time on spirituality.
God knows I made that mistake before.
In the end, experience makes the difference. And I cant ignore mine. Sorry guys.
Dark energy - grandspeculator - 12-26-2008
Blue totem wrote:
Hey seeitall, since you insist on using insults, why don't you go fornicate yourself...
Yes people, Some filtering needs to be done. Like I said before, people believe what they read...
Its not because its written, that its true or good. I've been reading for a long time on spirituality.
God knows I made that mistake before.
In the end, experience makes the difference. And I cant ignore mine. Sorry guys.
Who da hell questioned Blue Totem's experiences? Who?
What was questioned repeatedly by me was all of your assumptions, beliefs and pseudo-knowledge. If you don't like that others challenge your beliefs, assumptions and pseudo-knowledge, perhaps you don't have enough experience to be on solid ground.
You are, then, still learning. And being in-learning... why o why do you think that your opinion is worth something?
Who do you think you are to challenge anyone's knowledge?
Who do you think you are to evaluate someone or something so lightly?
You are screwing yourself with your self-importance.
Unless you start regarding yourself as a student, you will never learn anything beyond your own bullshit.
In zen terms: If the cup is full, nothing more will enter!!
You are here, in a nagual forum. There is a nagual here. Why don't you ask him what to do in order to become a
nagual?? Why don't you follow his lead and see for yourself?? Or are you a nagual??
PS: If you are resented because of me, by all means insult me!
Dark energy - Blue totem - 12-26-2008
I was part of a sect in the past.
I had someone tell me things very similar to parts of Don Juan philosophy.
And it was one of the most miserable part of my life.
I told you I speak of experience...
I don't see Don Juan, or Carlos Castaneda as being smarter than the rest of us.
People that have been in sects talk about relinquishing their power to a guru.
I lived that. I've seen it happen with many. I can recognise the pattern.
Don Juan made his spirituality Dark and hostile...
But spirituality is supposed to be light, its about having self compassion and love.
You should know spec, since you are a adept of yoga...
Dark energy - grandspeculator - 12-26-2008
Blue totem wrote:
I was part of a sect in the past.
I had someone tell me things very similar to parts of Don Juan philosophy.
And it was one of the most miserable part of my life.
I told you I speak of experience...
I don't see Don Juan, or Carlos Castaneda as being smarter than the rest of us.
People that have been in sects talk about relinquishing their power to a guru.
I lived that. I've seen it happen with many. I can recognise the pattern.
Don Juan made his spirituality Dark and hostile...
But spirituality is supposed to be light, its about having self compassion and love.
You should know spec, since you are a adept of yoga...
If you are traumatized because of your experience you should recapitulate it. Otherwise that scar will follow you the rest of your life, and the lives to
come!!
That scar will poison your mind and will not let you think straight. It's doing it ALREADY. Instead of bitching
about Don Juan, who didn't hurt ANYBODY (Castaneda was the one with the cultish scheme), why don't you
fix your tonal?. Don Juan only trained the ones signaled by the spirit.
You can only see Don Juan, at this point, from your pain. That's not objective AT
ALL!
PS1: Self compassion !?!?! Self Pity? That's not good at all. That's not yoga.
PS2: I spoke of subtle experience, not cultish experience that is not evolutionary at all.
Dark energy - Blue totem - 12-26-2008
I'm being very objective...
You keep insisting on denying the importance of your self.
You step on your inner self willingly.
Go ahead, step on your inner child. But hardcore is not the way.
Your self, that you keep deniying, will come knocking back one day.
And when you are done with hating your self, you'll feel better.
You speak like someone who has been brained washed. You are brain washed.
Maybe you should start wipping yourself with one of those little wips.
you know, the one used by repenting sinner. Then you would really be in the place of no pity.
What an unnatural, ridiculous concept.
Dark energy - grandspeculator - 12-26-2008
Blue totem wrote:
I'm being very objective...
You keep insisting on denying the importance of your self.
You step on your inner self willingly.
Go ahead, step on your inner child. But hardcore is not the way.
Your self, that you keep deniying, will come knocking back one day.
And when you are done with hating your self, you'll feel better.
You speak like someone who has been brained washed. You are brain washed.
Maybe you should start wipping yourself with one of those little wips.
you know, the one used by repenting sinner. Then you would really be in the place of no pity.
What an unnatural, ridiculous concept.
Kindly *** off. (That means, don't speak to me anymore. The forum is not mine)
If you wanna live the rest of your life with psychic scars aberrating you, feel free to do so. I gave you a way out.
Don't want it? Fine...
If you don't recap all your life you will never be able to do decent
nagual dreaming, you will not have stalking power and your nagual potential
will go to waste.
Wanna go down that road? Okey! But lie to yourself... you don't fool me. You are an aberrated tonal with a nagual crying
for help. Don't want it? Fine. Don't ask for it.
I'm, again, ignoring you.
Dark energy - Blue totem - 12-26-2008
Everyone is an aberrated tonal to you. Except yourself?
Well you did memorise DJ's language...You are like a tape recorder that keeps playing back propaganda.
By the way, yoga means unite. Yoga is the search for inner peace and freedom.
And to seek freedom from pain is an act of self love, compassion.
So no wipping your inner child. No wipping spec.
Self consideration, is the motive behind spiritual search.
Dark energy - delawaredan - 12-26-2008
There are a lot of posts here since yesterday....the comment from seeitall is on target. The most important part of any teaching/way of life is the ability to
learn from, embrace....that which you do not like or cannot handle. This is where we are able to shift our assemblage point the greatest distance, to
overcome fear, and let death be our adviser. Would our own individual, angel of death be proud of our actions. We need to act in a way, impeccable, with the
knowledge that today can be our last day. Is this what we feel is important.
Why do you need to take a position for or against Don Juan. Take form the teachings what you can, but do not indulge in your own self importance and think
your attainment is soooo great. Do not hate what you do not like, Examine why you do not like it; and promote the solution to that in which you do not like:
with a gracious heart. Gracious because you are able to see and share your vision.
I am not able to live in a way that sustains impeccability in the tonal. I am striving to become a man of knowledge on my path to freedom. But when I come
here, I come here to strengthen my life energy, not to waste it, with insults, self importance, self pity...etc. I come to share with others who are helping
me on my journey...that may be selfish in a sense but we all need to take care of ourselves.
Dark energy - Blue totem - 12-26-2008
I know I wont be popular on this site, if I criticise Don Juan.
Dark energy - delawaredan - 12-27-2008
I appreciate your view point and challenge. I am glad you are here, Blue totem.
Dark energy - Blue totem - 12-27-2008
Thanks delawaredan, I'm glad you are here too.
Dark energy - seeitall - 12-27-2008
Blue totem wrote:
I know I wont be popular on this site, if I criticise Don Juan.
you surely will not. especially if
that criticism is inconsistent, arrogant and hostile.
Here are some of your statements:
- I love Castaneda`s books.
- I sincerely think that Don Juan views are ridiculous, idiotics and unsensitives.
- I'm ok with nagualism, but not ok with Don Juan
If you happen to be on christian forum, you may try this one as well to
gain some popularity:
"I really love new testament and I'm ok with christianity , but in my opinion
Jesus was an **** and his views were ridiculous."
Dark energy - grandspeculator - 12-27-2008
seeitall wrote:
Blue totem wrote:
I know I wont be popular on this site, if I criticise Don Juan.
you surely will not. especially if
that criticism is inconsistent, arrogant and hostile.
Here are some of your statements:
- I love Castaneda`s books.
- I sincerely think that Don Juan views are ridiculous, idiotics and unsensitives.
- I'm ok with nagualism, but not ok with Don Juan
If you happen to be on christian forum, you may try this one as well to
gain some popularity:
"I really love new testament and I'm ok with christianity , but in my opinion
Jesus was an **** and his views were ridiculous."
Don't forget the preaching attitude:
I wanted to say this to you before spec, but... Dont waste your time with their bogus views and philosophies.
You can think on your own much better.
As if I can't think on my own. The question that arises is...
What are you doing here if you don't like Don Juan (the virtual father of nagualism as we know it) and don't have anything to learn?
Are you an agent of normalcy?
My guess is that your nagual brought you here, hoping that you will learn enough to fix your tonal. No luck yet!
Dark energy - Blue totem - 12-27-2008
I'm in full riot gear, so go ahead trow your rocks.
Don Juan had no education, and no trainning in any behavioral science... He could see, but any **** can be a seer.
Don Juans views are very far from being universal. Tell you what, ask a Buddhist or Bramanist seers about self-importance, stalking, the place of no pity or
the indulgence thing, or all the other Don Juannnist concepts.
They will not have a clue about what you are talking about.
For me it is very easy to see flaws in his philosophy and character, I wonder why its so difficult for you guys.
Dark energy - grandspeculator - 12-27-2008
Blue totem wrote:
For me it is very easy to see flaws in his philosophy and character, I wonder why its so difficult for you guys.
How about pointing that great power-of-dissecting to yourself? Perhaps you will see too many flaws of
philosophy and character.
You are the one bringing conflict here. As for Buddhist and Brahmanic evaluations of Nagual Seership, if the consulted ones are realized enough they will see a lot of similarities with their own views.
Not only that... someone here mentioned that a particular line of Tibetan Buddhism is growing closer to Cleargreen.
The tibetans say: Shamballa Warriorship
The naguals say: The Path of the Warrior
But why do I bother? You are not listening.