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Gurdjieff's Explanation: Are we food for the Moon? - Vrill - 01-24-2008
If you are familiar with the writings of Georges Gurdjieff, the famous early twentieth Century teacher of such luminaries and Georgia O'Keefe and Martha Graham, in his book, "All and Everything, Beelzebub's Tales to his Grandson" he gives an explanation for man's predicament that he call "the Terror of the Situation"
In Gurdjieff's explanation: Earth's Moon is an evolving life form. It's purpose is to become a planet like our own, but as yet, it is quite lifeless. The purpose of organic life on Earth is to feed the Moon and nourish it's evolution.
So basically when anything dies it's life essence goes to the moon to nourish it. Because the moon needs to be fed, wars and other disruptions occur on a regular basis. Beings that achieve enough conscious Being, or a high enough level in their evolution are not subject to this however, as they can get free of the Moon's gravity (so to speak) through a kind of blood sacrifice. Although G. did say the Moon and humanity had progressed to the point where were Wars were no longer necessary.
I am skeptical of both explanations but they are so similar.
Then Gurdjieff goes on to say that humanity was implanted with the organ Kundabuffer, that prevents them from seeing Reality. He equates Kundabuffer with sleep, imagination and daydreaming. This was done to keep us docile and of course to keep the moon fed.
It would appear that these ideas arose independently, although Castandea could have read Gurdjieff. Other people have noticed their coincidental lines and remarked on their similarity.
So, is Gurdjieff's Moon the same as Castaneda's Eagle?
I thnk it is.
I used to look on these stories as allegorical, kind of like the Hopi Crow Mother stories for kids as scary tales that would give us a reason to work. Be good or Crow Mother and her minions will eat your liver!
If you read the Tibetan literature such as the teachings of Padmasambava's discourses to his consort Lady Tsogyal, the Tibetan explanation of what happens during death and how to deal with it are not so far off the beam.
But now I am not so sure. I am not sure about anything
Gurdjieff's Explanation: Are we food for the Moon? - Bob May - 01-25-2008
"But now I am not so sure. I am not sure about anything."
Maybe not sure of anything butthe patterns seem to be the same. That is the thing about alegory and myths. You look between the lines to the principles of the stories and they all seem to match pretty good.
1. There is an aspect of our minds (something inside of us)that keeps us from seeing what is real.
2. Something outside of us wants us to remain ignorant of the Real.
3. Something or things want to eat or use our energy for it's own ends.
4. We are asleep or spiritually dead.
5. We can be free.
6. Everyone (or almost everyone) we meet are unaware of their predicament let alone the need of freedom and so do not seek it.
So, I see the Bible, Don Juan, Gurdjieff, the Hopis, the Tibetans, Jewish Mysticism (Qabala), the Western Occult Traditon, The Tarot and my own experiences as all agreeing in these Principles.
These types of patterns or Principles are what to look for in alegory and myth. The details are cultural. The truths are known in the Mysteries on all continents I think.
Many think this knowledge was brought to mankind by angels or "sons of the gods" and spread by them to all lands many ages ago. These and other Truths were hidden to keep those in power from destroying or controling the information. And transmitted by mouth to ear in secret societies.Bob
Gurdjieff's Explanation: Are we food for the Moon? - Vrill - 01-29-2008
Bob:
I like your summation in six points, because it boils out what is essential, important and held in common between these various wisdom traditions.
Gurdjieff's Explanation: Are we food for the Moon? - seeitall - 01-29-2008
which Gurdjieff's book would you recommend for reading ?-----------------
THIS IS WAR
Gurdjieff's Explanation: Are we food for the Moon? - Vrill - 04-10-2008
the book that is always recommend is Ouspensky's "In Search of the Miraculous" as the best exposition of the ideas.
But then that book does not really tell you how to work, or what the Work really is.
The "Food for the Moon" is from Gurdjieff's All and Everything".
That's the book he wrote for beginners.
But understand, the purpose of that book is to strip away all of your concepts.
Gurdjieff wanted people to come to the Work with an empty cup, so to speak. So that book will work away at every idea you've ever held dear, if you can
get through a good bit of it.
It's not an easy read. Well it's very readable, but some passages are pretty dense. In that sense Gurdjieff was very similar to Don Juan.
There are many good practical work books as well however. One of the best is "Toward Awakening" by Jean Vyase.
Since the Food for the Moon chapter was part of "All and Everything" I tend to put it as a key point in the stripping away process, so I don't
take it literally, but allegorically.
Well the whole book is a giant allegory. It's probably one of the greatest works of literature ever produced!
Gurdjieff's Explanation: Are we food for the Moon? - Vrill - 04-11-2008
1. There is an aspect of our minds (something inside of us)that keeps us from seeing what is real.
Gurdjieff called this "the organ Kundabuffer" or the imagination. The function of this "organ" was to prevent mankind from
seeing what's real.
There are so many parallels between Fourth Way and Toltec explanations that there's little doubt in my mind that they borrowed from each other or came from
a similar source.
Gurdjieff's Explanation: Are we food for the Moon? - Guest - 08-21-2019