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Nagual Woman or women of knowledge role notes.. - shamanka - 02-08-2014
Nagual Woman or women of knowledge role notes...summary so far...
The battle is with overcoming the weak female archetype
The little woman, housewife, or cook cleaner and bottle washer.
But the woman in her power, knows exactly what her role is in relation to her male counterpart and is unconcerned with social stereotyping no matter what they were are or are to become.
She knows that her power is in the reflection, of her male counterpart.
The dance is such, that she holds the moon to him, for him.
That, is not the emination of the sun, the unknown becoming known by actioning. But in the reflection to his actioning.
If she tries to take an emanation from her own internal into the known. Which she is quite capable of doing, she is taking on the active male role for herself, this reflects in the man to a time when his mother was the main provider for him, the masculine protector, and he automatically gets put back into boy mode,, the feminine reflection from his internal that he had with his mother while she was protecting and providing for him. The difficulty is, if a man does not act, the woman cannot trust that she will be provided for and therefore slips into the male principle within herself. If the man were truly conscious of the reflective role she is always playing, that would then be the same as parenting the male and becoming the mother provider, masculine provider again, still causing the rebeliousness of the boy in the man, and, not assisting in his maturity and masculine active role.
Short of a woman knowing it is her role and never speaking of it, apart from to other women. Ther is nothing to be said, and therefore it cannot be done as an approval or reward thing from a partner, it must be done because she truly understands the dance of male female interaction and has slipped so far in it that it has become natural or controlled folly. Part of herself, that it is her natural state and therefore doesn’t need to be spoken about.
This comes from recapping what she knows and has experienced about being female, woman and mother and also all that she has heard of, been nurtured by, ancestral social pressure, historical events to rid herself of any archetype at all, then she would be her natural self and with a few examples of experience she will discern very quickly of those men in boy status and those who are in man status. We cannot hurry up the man’s call to power, but while we wait silently trusting them coming into their power, we can concentrate on our own reflective capacity. It is not weak to allow a man to play his natural role. As in leading a waltz, in fact this its rather like being treated to a rare gem. But maybe that’s because they are not used to being allowed to lead, first with their mothers, who have had to provide for them for their survival, and then interactions with over male females, who insist on taking equality as meaning direct competition for the leadership position. No wonder so many toes get trodden on.
Looking at how the roles changed over time, helps us understand where our own prejudices come from, our own rebelliousness to natural and fluid order of universal laws, our own inner childs ‘state’ which longs for a time of its own power, and, how society teaches and its influences have not helped, in fact may have been structured as events, to undermine the understanding and natural balance of our personal relationships, for its own agenda.
Nagual Woman or women of knowledge role notes.. - Littlepaw - 02-21-2014
shamanka wrote:
If she tries to take an emanation from her own internal into the known. Which she is quite capable of doing, she is taking on the active male role for herself, this reflects in the man to a time when his mother was the main provider for him, the masculine protector, and he automatically gets put back into boy mode,, the feminine reflection from his internal that he had with his mother while she was protecting and providing for him. The difficulty is, if a man does not act, the woman cannot trust that she will be provided for and therefore slips into the male principle within herself. If the man were truly conscious of the reflective role she is always playing, that would then be the same as parenting the male and becoming the mother provider, masculine provider again, still causing the rebeliousness of the boy in the man, and, not assisting in his maturity and masculine active role.
Are you not being a little bit assumptive about this? Of course us fellas can play out roles like boy mode but only if we choose to. I think you are good at understanding what is happening in your experiences but you make it sound like a guy has no choice about if he is going to get put in to boy mode.
Nagual Woman or women of knowledge role notes.. - shamanka - 02-21-2014
this is based on Theun's work of gender and my experiences of energy flow Little Paw. What he and i agree on is that when the woman for whatever reason goes into her masculine internal..she holds both male and female energy naturally, this is what is felt by the male counterpart..a masculine projection..so what are the options there energetically....he if not aware, can find himself in that mother / boy role, or find himself 'battling for his male energy, finding himself trying to dominate, or finding himself feeling emasculated..possibly powerless or feeling he has no worth/not enough etc etc
of course if they are both aware, they can both move into being and the energy would flow, restoring each other into the natural balance of the interaction. i was making brief notes of what could happen/does happen with no real details.
i am very interested in having a males perspective to what happens when a woman takes on either the female energy, or the male energy and how it effects him energetically...and even mentally/ emotionally..could you provide something Little Paw?
Nagual Woman or women of knowledge role notes.. - Guest - 08-21-2019