10-30-2016, 12:00 AM
Hi, before I respond to your last I am going to post what I have already written, some remarks to the lines you have posted in this thread (before the last post).
I love the Bukowski quote
nameless wrote: I have nearly lost my mind to things I could not understand. It is always interesting to me the pressure that the mind has to endure at some points of our hmm apprenticeship/warrior-ship. It is freeing when the mind stops meddling or seeking control over this aspect of our lives. Our mind is more flexible than we give it credit for, all it needs is to learn its place in the conglomerate of our being. As we learn to trust other aspects of ourselves the mind stops freaking out .
I suppose you have discovered as much, since you are here and seems to have kept your sanity (to some visible extent at least )
nameless wrote:"It is a good viewpoint to see the world as a dream. When you have something like a nightmare, you will wake up and tell yourself that it was only a dream. It is said that the world we live in is not a bit different from this." Due to devoting attention to dreaming I want to respond to this even if you might not have had such a meaning in mind. One of the most profoundly helpful elements in my life, and ones that have made a better person of me and have aided me on my path towards knowledge was that when I was a child (and later on as well) I did not discredit the reality of my dreams, I did not wake and tell myself that it was 'only a nightmare' or 'only a dream'. With us having so much to learn, dreaming offers a venue that one would be a fool to disregard.
Coming to the point you were making I'd say that realizing there are different realities or dreams in the tonal as well, is what aids one to shake off a bad 'dream' or reality and to venture into or try to create a better dream for oneself.
nameless wrote:I no longer have interest in grand displays of power over others, or impressing people with my feats. That road is a dead end. I agree, everything that is not needed on the quest for freedom, on the path of knowledge is a burden. Power can be one such thing. If power is indeed not needed, I surely do not want any part of it. It is enticing and it is alluring to many, but it is also a trap. It can bring one down very easily because it attracts attention and brings a gazillion hindrances in doing so. etc.
nameless wrote:Thoughts, opinions, and beliefs too quickly become shields and barriers. There's a lot to be said about identity, probably a good starting point for an interesting conversation.You are welcome to start a thread on this topic. It is such a big bite to take on though . Right now JJ is working on looking into beliefs so he too might have some things to say on the matter.
nameless wrote: I do have a weakness for not being able to keep my mouth shut at times...Well, nobody is perfect
nameless wrote:I also have a weakness for being blunt, but never with the intention of being rude. I'm not insensitive, but I certainly don't see the point in tiptoeing around the feelings of sorcerers when I don't even do that in my daily life. Would you not agree that "do to others as you would like them to do to you" or "treat others as you yourself would like to be treated" is not the most impeccable stance to have towards other beings?
There are a few things that show this is not the best attitude/setting to have:
It presupposes we are all the same and function/need the same, etc.
It is obvious that if one has an unhealthy attitude to oneself that this then spreads to an unhealthy attitude towards others.
Also there are, imo, no masters here. One might have devoted a lot of time and attention in one field, say mastering one's emotions and then is very good in certain aspects. Others might have tackled a different area more pressing to their particular lives and are not as far in this aspect but on a different aspect. These two individuals could learn a lot from one another if their judgments of each other would allow that .
nameless wrote:Certainly starting to not feel welcome. I was trying to tell you before that there are more people around here than the few who will write a lot and respond to almost everything (ones that it seems you respond to as feeling unwelcome). I can tell you very clearly that you are welcome here and I am sure I am not the only one who would like to read some things that you might like to share. So, yes, there are more people around, it just takes a little time to get to know them. There is the surface and there is the backbone and there is also the stuff in between .
nameless wrote:Tell me, what do you see in me? Tell me, what offence have I given? Tell me, what would you like to see in me? No, I don't intend change who I am. But I do wish to understand what is actually happening here. If by 'what is actually happening here' you refer to starting to not feel welcome, then I hope I have explained above at least a little.
Here I would like to point out, however, that setting out to not change based on what you can learn from others' comments is not such a helpful setting to have. Why not be open to what you might realize from interactions with others? I would have thought fluidity is the better setting here. But, up to you ofc .
P.S. nameless wrote:I don't know how to do those cool little quote bubbles You type [ quote] (without the spacebar) then you copy paste the sentence you want to quote and finish with [/ quote] (again without the spacebar). If you would like to indicate who the quote is from you type at the beginning [ quote=name] (without the spacebar).
I love the Bukowski quote
nameless wrote: I have nearly lost my mind to things I could not understand. It is always interesting to me the pressure that the mind has to endure at some points of our hmm apprenticeship/warrior-ship. It is freeing when the mind stops meddling or seeking control over this aspect of our lives. Our mind is more flexible than we give it credit for, all it needs is to learn its place in the conglomerate of our being. As we learn to trust other aspects of ourselves the mind stops freaking out .
I suppose you have discovered as much, since you are here and seems to have kept your sanity (to some visible extent at least )
nameless wrote:"It is a good viewpoint to see the world as a dream. When you have something like a nightmare, you will wake up and tell yourself that it was only a dream. It is said that the world we live in is not a bit different from this." Due to devoting attention to dreaming I want to respond to this even if you might not have had such a meaning in mind. One of the most profoundly helpful elements in my life, and ones that have made a better person of me and have aided me on my path towards knowledge was that when I was a child (and later on as well) I did not discredit the reality of my dreams, I did not wake and tell myself that it was 'only a nightmare' or 'only a dream'. With us having so much to learn, dreaming offers a venue that one would be a fool to disregard.
Coming to the point you were making I'd say that realizing there are different realities or dreams in the tonal as well, is what aids one to shake off a bad 'dream' or reality and to venture into or try to create a better dream for oneself.
nameless wrote:I no longer have interest in grand displays of power over others, or impressing people with my feats. That road is a dead end. I agree, everything that is not needed on the quest for freedom, on the path of knowledge is a burden. Power can be one such thing. If power is indeed not needed, I surely do not want any part of it. It is enticing and it is alluring to many, but it is also a trap. It can bring one down very easily because it attracts attention and brings a gazillion hindrances in doing so. etc.
nameless wrote:Thoughts, opinions, and beliefs too quickly become shields and barriers. There's a lot to be said about identity, probably a good starting point for an interesting conversation.You are welcome to start a thread on this topic. It is such a big bite to take on though . Right now JJ is working on looking into beliefs so he too might have some things to say on the matter.
nameless wrote: I do have a weakness for not being able to keep my mouth shut at times...Well, nobody is perfect
nameless wrote:I also have a weakness for being blunt, but never with the intention of being rude. I'm not insensitive, but I certainly don't see the point in tiptoeing around the feelings of sorcerers when I don't even do that in my daily life. Would you not agree that "do to others as you would like them to do to you" or "treat others as you yourself would like to be treated" is not the most impeccable stance to have towards other beings?
There are a few things that show this is not the best attitude/setting to have:
It presupposes we are all the same and function/need the same, etc.
It is obvious that if one has an unhealthy attitude to oneself that this then spreads to an unhealthy attitude towards others.
Also there are, imo, no masters here. One might have devoted a lot of time and attention in one field, say mastering one's emotions and then is very good in certain aspects. Others might have tackled a different area more pressing to their particular lives and are not as far in this aspect but on a different aspect. These two individuals could learn a lot from one another if their judgments of each other would allow that .
nameless wrote:Certainly starting to not feel welcome. I was trying to tell you before that there are more people around here than the few who will write a lot and respond to almost everything (ones that it seems you respond to as feeling unwelcome). I can tell you very clearly that you are welcome here and I am sure I am not the only one who would like to read some things that you might like to share. So, yes, there are more people around, it just takes a little time to get to know them. There is the surface and there is the backbone and there is also the stuff in between .
nameless wrote:Tell me, what do you see in me? Tell me, what offence have I given? Tell me, what would you like to see in me? No, I don't intend change who I am. But I do wish to understand what is actually happening here. If by 'what is actually happening here' you refer to starting to not feel welcome, then I hope I have explained above at least a little.
Here I would like to point out, however, that setting out to not change based on what you can learn from others' comments is not such a helpful setting to have. Why not be open to what you might realize from interactions with others? I would have thought fluidity is the better setting here. But, up to you ofc .
P.S. nameless wrote:I don't know how to do those cool little quote bubbles You type [ quote] (without the spacebar) then you copy paste the sentence you want to quote and finish with [/ quote] (again without the spacebar). If you would like to indicate who the quote is from you type at the beginning [ quote=name] (without the spacebar).