06-29-2017, 12:00 AM
I already knew from the start that a thorough sock prevention is basically impossible. I was informed before you decided to talk on the matter. I put it into the considerations as I was commencing a talk with others about the option of making it a policy. I made sure people understood the limitations of our implementing such a policy before the implementation of the policy took place. Did you really think we were not aware of proxy servers and all that before you came by? Really? I somehow doubt that you had no idea we were not aware of these things. What is the reason for making a fuss of informing the place of stuff we already know? Not to mention you already had a round of informing us some months ago. Had you forgotten? In this sense, I cannot help but feel you are wasting my time.
If anything you are enabling people to go be more efficient socks by spreading information around. This is counter-productive to our effort and we are not thankful.
Your claim of exposing weaknesses does not make sense enough for me.
I imagine in a country like the old time Holland, there were bikes unlocked and they never got stolen (it was famed for this). You would go there and steal the bikes so people see they have to lock them like in other countries because otherwise someone MIGHT steal them. Someone like who? YOU? The people who lived there did not do that. Of course, times change and many decades later as the situation changed so did the habits of the people. Bikes are locked now. The old time Holland does not need someone like you to expose its weakness. The weakness is not life threatening and actually it is not a weakness at all. It only could be seen as one with the arrival of people who take advantage of things. And once that happens then the way things are done change naturally. There is no need for a person who prematurely wants everyone to lock their bikes. Just makes stuff hard on others and bashes their head against something that is not harming anything or anyone. And wasting time. Because the people want to go about their business and not argue about having to lock their bikes to be more secure in a place with no bike thieves.
There will always be ways how to exploit a system and arbitrarily exploiting it does not always make sense. Given there is no danger anyway (we are not guarding nuclear missile launch codes) it makes no sense to focus attention that is well occupied elsewhere into this - especially since there is no practical proposition in your talk at all. You say the policy cannot be perfectly enforced, yes, but that is old news. Do you have any way how we can enforce it better? NO.
So, again, our sock puppet policy has a purpose. Even if we can only see the most obvious socks. Usually, those are the ones that need to be most curbed anyway. The other part of sock puppets is not a problem. Each person who participates in discussion here at the moment is enough of an individual on their own and learning to follow the rules. Things are better, not worse. The only one whirling the dust is you. And if you are doing this to show us things can be out of sorts then it really is the least helpful thing of all. Of course things can be out of sorts. DUH. People can always be out of sorts, but luckily for us we have a group of people now who are trying to be more respectful. It would be great if you hopped on that boat. So stop complaining already and focus on what the site offers like others do to learn and grow and share. If you do not want to do that then I do not know why you are here talking about anything.
Your caring about the sock policy is arbitrary and nothing practical will come of it for us to continue this discussion. If in the future you learn of ways to help this policy, please let us know. Otherwise, the issue is closed for now. If we were only to have the policy if it were bulletproof then the site would degenerate. We are not going back to 3 versions of everyone running around. If one sock escapes us, still better than having 8 of them be here as if that were what is normal.The type of discussions that were around during the time of socks was not what we want here now.
The other stuff in your post is off-topic here and stuff we already talked about and I really do not want to repeat myself again. I'd say stuff I already told you many times before. So, just stop repeating already and move to more constructive things. Use the places at the site to share and work on things related to sorcery, shamanism and self-work. Fixing little things around the site that are not perfect - like the sock puppet policy (which first of all cannot be perfect in the current state of the technological world) - will not help you move forward. Arguing about whether one should have edit and delete will not help you. Those are just distractions. And I for one want to focus on real things. Not 'battle windmills'.
If anything you are enabling people to go be more efficient socks by spreading information around. This is counter-productive to our effort and we are not thankful.
Your claim of exposing weaknesses does not make sense enough for me.
I imagine in a country like the old time Holland, there were bikes unlocked and they never got stolen (it was famed for this). You would go there and steal the bikes so people see they have to lock them like in other countries because otherwise someone MIGHT steal them. Someone like who? YOU? The people who lived there did not do that. Of course, times change and many decades later as the situation changed so did the habits of the people. Bikes are locked now. The old time Holland does not need someone like you to expose its weakness. The weakness is not life threatening and actually it is not a weakness at all. It only could be seen as one with the arrival of people who take advantage of things. And once that happens then the way things are done change naturally. There is no need for a person who prematurely wants everyone to lock their bikes. Just makes stuff hard on others and bashes their head against something that is not harming anything or anyone. And wasting time. Because the people want to go about their business and not argue about having to lock their bikes to be more secure in a place with no bike thieves.
There will always be ways how to exploit a system and arbitrarily exploiting it does not always make sense. Given there is no danger anyway (we are not guarding nuclear missile launch codes) it makes no sense to focus attention that is well occupied elsewhere into this - especially since there is no practical proposition in your talk at all. You say the policy cannot be perfectly enforced, yes, but that is old news. Do you have any way how we can enforce it better? NO.
So, again, our sock puppet policy has a purpose. Even if we can only see the most obvious socks. Usually, those are the ones that need to be most curbed anyway. The other part of sock puppets is not a problem. Each person who participates in discussion here at the moment is enough of an individual on their own and learning to follow the rules. Things are better, not worse. The only one whirling the dust is you. And if you are doing this to show us things can be out of sorts then it really is the least helpful thing of all. Of course things can be out of sorts. DUH. People can always be out of sorts, but luckily for us we have a group of people now who are trying to be more respectful. It would be great if you hopped on that boat. So stop complaining already and focus on what the site offers like others do to learn and grow and share. If you do not want to do that then I do not know why you are here talking about anything.
Your caring about the sock policy is arbitrary and nothing practical will come of it for us to continue this discussion. If in the future you learn of ways to help this policy, please let us know. Otherwise, the issue is closed for now. If we were only to have the policy if it were bulletproof then the site would degenerate. We are not going back to 3 versions of everyone running around. If one sock escapes us, still better than having 8 of them be here as if that were what is normal.The type of discussions that were around during the time of socks was not what we want here now.
The other stuff in your post is off-topic here and stuff we already talked about and I really do not want to repeat myself again. I'd say stuff I already told you many times before. So, just stop repeating already and move to more constructive things. Use the places at the site to share and work on things related to sorcery, shamanism and self-work. Fixing little things around the site that are not perfect - like the sock puppet policy (which first of all cannot be perfect in the current state of the technological world) - will not help you move forward. Arguing about whether one should have edit and delete will not help you. Those are just distractions. And I for one want to focus on real things. Not 'battle windmills'.