05-01-2014, 12:00 AM
imo, this is why moderation is crucial, especially in the advanced forums like Mastering Awareness. For example the Harvesting Power thread. Information on harvesting power is great to have in that thread, but people who fight against it with morality and other similar are going through an important process too and it can have a place at this board and should, just in a split off thread in for example the stalking section. What is off topic and disruptive in one thread/section can be on topic and focused and helpful in another.
Of course, for this there would need to be moderation in sections that LW currently set off limits to moderating.
Thinking that members will suddenly see what of their posts is relevant and what is not relevant to the thread in which people are looking to talk about another level of things (than they can connect to at that moment) is wishful thinking. Most cannot see with the eyes of another person, just their own. And, as in the example of the Harvesting Power thread, the topic raised about what is good and bad, helpful and not helpful, what should and should not be done is of matter to many that come to the site, so it would be good if they talked it out in the section where it belongs (and not stop the thread's direction meant for sharing knowledge of a deeper sort)
Like you wrote, we have plenty of space here and it is on members to be aware of what discussion belongs where, and if members do not organize themselves accordingly, it is on the mods and admins to direct them to the proper places for their discussions.
Mastering Awareness, as I set it up in the Introduction to this place is supposed to be with focused threads. Since LW said not to moderate there is becoming less so, with talk about moderating in threads like Identity Theft and the thread looking like a child's doodle.
If we are seeking change of stuff, we have to start at the 'top' with ourselves. Members are directed by us and what we allow and dont allow. If we see something already out of place we should be the ones dealing with it and putting stuff in order. And of course, like youre doing, make notices to members to be more aware of what and where they post. And what the difference is and such, so they know what to do next time around. Because, imo, many members do want to have good discussions and it is not their intent to stop other people from doing the same.
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To also give some practical suggestions and examples (and not just general ones, because I see people sometimes just might not know what to do to follow too general suggestions/guidelines):
If one wishes to put in question some concept another is talking about then one should make a new thread and refer to it. One can quote the relevant part one is replying to and give a link to the original post.
If a thread is wishing to look at how to grow apples and make apple pies it is not cool to write there that apples are bad for your health and that pesticides ruin everything and that the person who gave the apple pie recipe is an incompetent cook. Apart from the last topic (of the incompetent cook) the points raised should be put in a separate thread not the one about growing apples and making pies. Not everything that comes to one's mind while one reads a post belongs in the thread one is reading. Be aware of what the person who started the thread was looking for, what direction they are setting with their post, what section they put their thread in (the section indicates the direction they are wanting to take too). Feel the flow of the thread's intent.
What concerns all the 'incompetent cook' posts that are around.. keep them to yourself. No one is interested in personal opinions about other members. Talk on topic and who is competent and who not will come through on its own without personal bias to push your opinions/judgements onto others.
For example in this thread it would be completely futile and irrelevant for me to go and tell shamanka how she herself is not doing what she is asking others to do (imaginary example). It might seem it is connected to the topic of the subject and thread, but it is not. It would be counter productive and should really be of no interest to anyone reading this. It would take the thread in a completely unproductive direction and the original notice and concern could be lost.
Of course, for this there would need to be moderation in sections that LW currently set off limits to moderating.
Thinking that members will suddenly see what of their posts is relevant and what is not relevant to the thread in which people are looking to talk about another level of things (than they can connect to at that moment) is wishful thinking. Most cannot see with the eyes of another person, just their own. And, as in the example of the Harvesting Power thread, the topic raised about what is good and bad, helpful and not helpful, what should and should not be done is of matter to many that come to the site, so it would be good if they talked it out in the section where it belongs (and not stop the thread's direction meant for sharing knowledge of a deeper sort)
Like you wrote, we have plenty of space here and it is on members to be aware of what discussion belongs where, and if members do not organize themselves accordingly, it is on the mods and admins to direct them to the proper places for their discussions.
Mastering Awareness, as I set it up in the Introduction to this place is supposed to be with focused threads. Since LW said not to moderate there is becoming less so, with talk about moderating in threads like Identity Theft and the thread looking like a child's doodle.
If we are seeking change of stuff, we have to start at the 'top' with ourselves. Members are directed by us and what we allow and dont allow. If we see something already out of place we should be the ones dealing with it and putting stuff in order. And of course, like youre doing, make notices to members to be more aware of what and where they post. And what the difference is and such, so they know what to do next time around. Because, imo, many members do want to have good discussions and it is not their intent to stop other people from doing the same.
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To also give some practical suggestions and examples (and not just general ones, because I see people sometimes just might not know what to do to follow too general suggestions/guidelines):
If one wishes to put in question some concept another is talking about then one should make a new thread and refer to it. One can quote the relevant part one is replying to and give a link to the original post.
If a thread is wishing to look at how to grow apples and make apple pies it is not cool to write there that apples are bad for your health and that pesticides ruin everything and that the person who gave the apple pie recipe is an incompetent cook. Apart from the last topic (of the incompetent cook) the points raised should be put in a separate thread not the one about growing apples and making pies. Not everything that comes to one's mind while one reads a post belongs in the thread one is reading. Be aware of what the person who started the thread was looking for, what direction they are setting with their post, what section they put their thread in (the section indicates the direction they are wanting to take too). Feel the flow of the thread's intent.
What concerns all the 'incompetent cook' posts that are around.. keep them to yourself. No one is interested in personal opinions about other members. Talk on topic and who is competent and who not will come through on its own without personal bias to push your opinions/judgements onto others.
For example in this thread it would be completely futile and irrelevant for me to go and tell shamanka how she herself is not doing what she is asking others to do (imaginary example). It might seem it is connected to the topic of the subject and thread, but it is not. It would be counter productive and should really be of no interest to anyone reading this. It would take the thread in a completely unproductive direction and the original notice and concern could be lost.