06-13-2017, 12:01 AM
rosygyro, please name your primaries here. That is, reduce to the simplest objective concrete(s).
For example, it would seem clear to me if a society consisted of a few men and women on a small island, it would be barbaric to force a woman to give birth, where she would otherwise abort her pregnancy. With just several persons involved, it would seem logical that the woman would have control over her own body.
Why would someone else be given authority over her autonomy in that context? What principle lawfully changes with larger numbers of persons? I don't see it. I mean, I would not force a woman on that island. I would not force a woman on this planet.
Let me get to the subject at hand. Let me take a stab at reducing for you, rosygyro. The root subject here is Power. Antecedent to Power in humans and sorcery, is hierarchy of Power in mammal groups from which we are born. Please identify a principle or two at the base.
Oh hell, I'll do that as well- even back before a brain cell was formed.
At a phenomenological level I can see no logic supporting what 'ought' to be. No thing had to be.
Skipping ahead without basis, excepting the brutish reality preceding us---> some don Power and others not much so. Now, you can view the logic I assigned as to the woman's autonomy. It no longer has much bearing. The Power of a man forcing the woman to bring the pregnancy to term has come full circle. Underneath, this is not much to do with ethics. It is about Power.
I hear something about sharing Power, but that cuts against any primitive societal instincts (whether mites, monkeys or men), I've generally known. I have Power, now deal with it [LOL].
For example, it would seem clear to me if a society consisted of a few men and women on a small island, it would be barbaric to force a woman to give birth, where she would otherwise abort her pregnancy. With just several persons involved, it would seem logical that the woman would have control over her own body.
Why would someone else be given authority over her autonomy in that context? What principle lawfully changes with larger numbers of persons? I don't see it. I mean, I would not force a woman on that island. I would not force a woman on this planet.
Let me get to the subject at hand. Let me take a stab at reducing for you, rosygyro. The root subject here is Power. Antecedent to Power in humans and sorcery, is hierarchy of Power in mammal groups from which we are born. Please identify a principle or two at the base.
Oh hell, I'll do that as well- even back before a brain cell was formed.
At a phenomenological level I can see no logic supporting what 'ought' to be. No thing had to be.
Skipping ahead without basis, excepting the brutish reality preceding us---> some don Power and others not much so. Now, you can view the logic I assigned as to the woman's autonomy. It no longer has much bearing. The Power of a man forcing the woman to bring the pregnancy to term has come full circle. Underneath, this is not much to do with ethics. It is about Power.
I hear something about sharing Power, but that cuts against any primitive societal instincts (whether mites, monkeys or men), I've generally known. I have Power, now deal with it [LOL].