05-09-2017, 12:00 AM
watergaze wrote:Hello funnyguy
I like your thoughts / realizations on the subject of destiny.
I find the question of "How is it that we create a kind of pre-destiny for ourselves in order to fill its shoes...?" to be quite an interesting one. If one takes it to the extreme - we create our own death too. But that one is a bit hard to swallow, so let's keep it lighter .
Even more intriguing is that we create our own experiences by our own involvement in certain systems. Many have mentioned how they entered lucid awareness after reading DJ's suggestion that CC look for his own hands in dreaming. This is the case with certain states of awareness too, we hear/read about them and then we strive towards them. It is why places like this discussion forum can offer a lot to a seeker. I entered a few dreams and experiences that picked my interested while reading or hearing reports from other seekers .
It is pretty interesting that you had the experience you describe as a child. I wonder how my life would be if I had been led to believe that whatever is written will happen no matter what. I cannot imagine how this worked in your childhood. Who wrote the stuff that is going to happen for you? Or was it just the Bible? Cause the Bible does not have much to say about your life - I'd assume (who you become, what job you get, what people you meet, etc.)
What about writing about the past what does that do?
Or fairy tales?
How is God guilty for our actions? I do not get how this one could be argued in the sense that I understand that you write God has pre-written our lives, but then where is the free will?
Yay for you. This is an empowering but sometimes also a very hard realization. It is also hard to swallow if a lot of bad stuff happened to you as a little kid or even as a baby, because it is hard to blame an innocent for bad stuff. And here I might make some allowances maybe. If you are a baby and born into a bad family that abuses you - I am not sure how much guilt the baby carries. But other than that, after a certain age, I am all for this premise that you mention. But, it is quite amazing at how little an age our 'ego' comes into play. And then the little being starts to react in bent ways even though I do not think it has the option to decide it in a rational normal manner yet.
Wish you good speed on your raising awareness choice . I hope to read more of your realizations around here
Hi watergaze, thanks for replying to my thread i find your response really encouraging and supportive for which I sincerely thank you.
I am sorry for my late response and I also apologize for not forming the post with quotes as you did I haven't really mastered that art on this forum yet...
I do not think that the realization we are creating our own death is hard to swallow it's something totally logical since we are the ones creating our experiences and crafting our perceptions of them and another thing is that I do not see death as many others do and I think highly of it and would wisely approach it with respect and an open mind as a topic or experience. Entering lucid awareness has been my how do I say... most innermost desire since a child for which obviously I haven't spend enough energy and time to achieve and retain cohesion in. I am not discouraged though because I know for myself not only through blind faith but slight experience that it is possible and the mysterious knowledge it offers is quite alluring to me. This forum is indeed an amazing place for seekers as you say as it does offer so much knowledge and positions and not only it might even help one make a great friend..
The knowledge I was fed back then as a child wasn't something I easily accepted on many occasions I have been a very difficult person to convince especially in things I did not want to be convinced in needless to say this piece of knowledge wasn't one of the things I liked much. I mean I respected others opinion on that and let them keep it for themselves but I didn't always align their knowledge for myself as I was really determined back then there is a lot more then what meets the eye especially my ancestors eyes... I even still hear it to this day some people use it as an excuse some as something to make them feel a bit better and cope and distract themselves from responsibility mostly as far as I see for now.
I haven't put much thought into writing about the past but that is a really interesting topic I would like to expand on a bit later on I would love to hear some more of you about that for sure.
Free will and pre-written lives it is quite the contradiction but it is quite funny how there are grown people who don't realize how they contradict themselves quite often there's a lot to learn from there.
Little guys are quite influenced indeed by the environment they are raised in and the relationships they are brought in from a young age yes. What gives me hope for them though is that the world is getting more and more good souls and old ones are realizing that what they know isn't all there is and that with this progress things will be getting better and better for them and for everyone else. I see hope and I see a point in not giving up. There's nothing powerful, just and good beings can not achieve and I see people striving towards that which motivates me to be on the path as well as I understand that perpetuating good to others will eventually lead to more of that and it starts like a chain of effects which if held on the right track for long enough is going to grow massively over everything else and people will wake up more and more to the world and actual experience of life.
Thank you for your good wish sent towards me I appreciate that and I return it twice as hard towards you.
I like your thoughts / realizations on the subject of destiny.
I find the question of "How is it that we create a kind of pre-destiny for ourselves in order to fill its shoes...?" to be quite an interesting one. If one takes it to the extreme - we create our own death too. But that one is a bit hard to swallow, so let's keep it lighter .
Even more intriguing is that we create our own experiences by our own involvement in certain systems. Many have mentioned how they entered lucid awareness after reading DJ's suggestion that CC look for his own hands in dreaming. This is the case with certain states of awareness too, we hear/read about them and then we strive towards them. It is why places like this discussion forum can offer a lot to a seeker. I entered a few dreams and experiences that picked my interested while reading or hearing reports from other seekers .
It is pretty interesting that you had the experience you describe as a child. I wonder how my life would be if I had been led to believe that whatever is written will happen no matter what. I cannot imagine how this worked in your childhood. Who wrote the stuff that is going to happen for you? Or was it just the Bible? Cause the Bible does not have much to say about your life - I'd assume (who you become, what job you get, what people you meet, etc.)
What about writing about the past what does that do?
Or fairy tales?
How is God guilty for our actions? I do not get how this one could be argued in the sense that I understand that you write God has pre-written our lives, but then where is the free will?
Yay for you. This is an empowering but sometimes also a very hard realization. It is also hard to swallow if a lot of bad stuff happened to you as a little kid or even as a baby, because it is hard to blame an innocent for bad stuff. And here I might make some allowances maybe. If you are a baby and born into a bad family that abuses you - I am not sure how much guilt the baby carries. But other than that, after a certain age, I am all for this premise that you mention. But, it is quite amazing at how little an age our 'ego' comes into play. And then the little being starts to react in bent ways even though I do not think it has the option to decide it in a rational normal manner yet.
Wish you good speed on your raising awareness choice . I hope to read more of your realizations around here
Hi watergaze, thanks for replying to my thread i find your response really encouraging and supportive for which I sincerely thank you.
I am sorry for my late response and I also apologize for not forming the post with quotes as you did I haven't really mastered that art on this forum yet...
I do not think that the realization we are creating our own death is hard to swallow it's something totally logical since we are the ones creating our experiences and crafting our perceptions of them and another thing is that I do not see death as many others do and I think highly of it and would wisely approach it with respect and an open mind as a topic or experience. Entering lucid awareness has been my how do I say... most innermost desire since a child for which obviously I haven't spend enough energy and time to achieve and retain cohesion in. I am not discouraged though because I know for myself not only through blind faith but slight experience that it is possible and the mysterious knowledge it offers is quite alluring to me. This forum is indeed an amazing place for seekers as you say as it does offer so much knowledge and positions and not only it might even help one make a great friend..
The knowledge I was fed back then as a child wasn't something I easily accepted on many occasions I have been a very difficult person to convince especially in things I did not want to be convinced in needless to say this piece of knowledge wasn't one of the things I liked much. I mean I respected others opinion on that and let them keep it for themselves but I didn't always align their knowledge for myself as I was really determined back then there is a lot more then what meets the eye especially my ancestors eyes... I even still hear it to this day some people use it as an excuse some as something to make them feel a bit better and cope and distract themselves from responsibility mostly as far as I see for now.
I haven't put much thought into writing about the past but that is a really interesting topic I would like to expand on a bit later on I would love to hear some more of you about that for sure.
Free will and pre-written lives it is quite the contradiction but it is quite funny how there are grown people who don't realize how they contradict themselves quite often there's a lot to learn from there.
Little guys are quite influenced indeed by the environment they are raised in and the relationships they are brought in from a young age yes. What gives me hope for them though is that the world is getting more and more good souls and old ones are realizing that what they know isn't all there is and that with this progress things will be getting better and better for them and for everyone else. I see hope and I see a point in not giving up. There's nothing powerful, just and good beings can not achieve and I see people striving towards that which motivates me to be on the path as well as I understand that perpetuating good to others will eventually lead to more of that and it starts like a chain of effects which if held on the right track for long enough is going to grow massively over everything else and people will wake up more and more to the world and actual experience of life.
Thank you for your good wish sent towards me I appreciate that and I return it twice as hard towards you.