10-15-2017, 12:01 AM
rosygyro wrote:
When I was a twelve year old boy I didn’t know what it felt like to have my penis in a willingly receptive vagina.
Some years later I discovered the feeling and it became A KNOWN .
Included in that knowledge of one vagina was a minuscule amount of presumption as to what all vaginas feel like.
Well, the first thing I'm noticing here is that you've used more standard punctuation to make yourself more clear. Thank you for putting forth that effort. I do find you easier to understand now.
The second thing I've noticed is that your argument seems to be changing. While earlier you were saying as a universal statement that male genitalia is "the known" and female genitalia "the unknown", now you seem to have toned it down some. It appears that here you're trying to argue why male genitalia would be "the known" specifically for men, and female genitalia "the unknown" specifically for men. That's an easier argument to make, but I wonder if your honest enough with yourself to acknowledge that you're only finding support for a toned down version of your original argument, rather than pretending defending calling male genitalia the known and female the unknown for men is the same thing as defending calling male genetilia the known and female genitalia the unknown universally.
Of course using the same reasoning presented in your new argument here we would have to say that for women the male genitalia would be the unknown, and the female genitalia would be the known.
But if we're to be precise about what you really learned after you entered that one vagina, (and why shouldn't we?), then we have to say that the knowledge you refer to above was only of what your particular penis felt like in that particular vagina at that particular time. As you've pointed out, you don't know for certain what all vaginas feel like. And I'll add, you don't know what it feels like to have some other man's penis in a vagina. Not even in one yours has been in before. Furthermore we can add a time element to it. You don't know how your penis would feel in that first vagina it entered were you to enter it again tomorrow. And there's emotional elements and where your AP is located at the time to consider as well.
I believe this is something we can take to it's universal extreme and it still holds up. After tasting an apple, I only knew what that particular bite of apple tasted like to me at that particular time. After eating dozens of apples, I only knew what those particular apples tasted like at the times I ate them.
The KNOWN is debilitating because it is our own sobriety that gets in the way of innocence
I don't agree with your choice to label the known debilitating. The known has it's advantages and disadvantages. I'd think one could be wise and use it accordingly.
or seeing the nascent part of life evolving
In the case of every other vagina in the world... even my presumption was a form of tiny tiny non consensual judgement.
Naturally you hold women to the same standard about their non-consensual judgments whenever they speculate about a man's penis, right?
Perhaps one day all women and men who've ever fantasized will apologize to each other. Or perhaps we'll all be in jail for "thought rape" or something like that. For now I'm not too worried about the moral implications of any of it though. Why wouldn't a woman want me to think about how wonderful her vagina might feel? In gazing, everything I see has consciousness and wants my attention. It can't be all that bad.
What you write isn’t honest enough.
Turn that statement around on yourself. The only thing I was slightly dishonest in here about was not knowing if you were trying to play word soup, (I didn't really think you were although it looked a bit like it). You on the other hand are trying to subtly change positions as if defending the smaller claim defends the larger claim, using ambiguity to obstruct analysis, and falsely accused me of having attacked your sexual prowess. It is your obstructions of honesty that make up the battleground here.
When I was a twelve year old boy I didn’t know what it felt like to have my penis in a willingly receptive vagina.
Some years later I discovered the feeling and it became A KNOWN .
Included in that knowledge of one vagina was a minuscule amount of presumption as to what all vaginas feel like.
Well, the first thing I'm noticing here is that you've used more standard punctuation to make yourself more clear. Thank you for putting forth that effort. I do find you easier to understand now.
The second thing I've noticed is that your argument seems to be changing. While earlier you were saying as a universal statement that male genitalia is "the known" and female genitalia "the unknown", now you seem to have toned it down some. It appears that here you're trying to argue why male genitalia would be "the known" specifically for men, and female genitalia "the unknown" specifically for men. That's an easier argument to make, but I wonder if your honest enough with yourself to acknowledge that you're only finding support for a toned down version of your original argument, rather than pretending defending calling male genitalia the known and female the unknown for men is the same thing as defending calling male genetilia the known and female genitalia the unknown universally.
Of course using the same reasoning presented in your new argument here we would have to say that for women the male genitalia would be the unknown, and the female genitalia would be the known.
But if we're to be precise about what you really learned after you entered that one vagina, (and why shouldn't we?), then we have to say that the knowledge you refer to above was only of what your particular penis felt like in that particular vagina at that particular time. As you've pointed out, you don't know for certain what all vaginas feel like. And I'll add, you don't know what it feels like to have some other man's penis in a vagina. Not even in one yours has been in before. Furthermore we can add a time element to it. You don't know how your penis would feel in that first vagina it entered were you to enter it again tomorrow. And there's emotional elements and where your AP is located at the time to consider as well.
I believe this is something we can take to it's universal extreme and it still holds up. After tasting an apple, I only knew what that particular bite of apple tasted like to me at that particular time. After eating dozens of apples, I only knew what those particular apples tasted like at the times I ate them.
The KNOWN is debilitating because it is our own sobriety that gets in the way of innocence
I don't agree with your choice to label the known debilitating. The known has it's advantages and disadvantages. I'd think one could be wise and use it accordingly.
or seeing the nascent part of life evolving
In the case of every other vagina in the world... even my presumption was a form of tiny tiny non consensual judgement.
Naturally you hold women to the same standard about their non-consensual judgments whenever they speculate about a man's penis, right?
Perhaps one day all women and men who've ever fantasized will apologize to each other. Or perhaps we'll all be in jail for "thought rape" or something like that. For now I'm not too worried about the moral implications of any of it though. Why wouldn't a woman want me to think about how wonderful her vagina might feel? In gazing, everything I see has consciousness and wants my attention. It can't be all that bad.
What you write isn’t honest enough.
Turn that statement around on yourself. The only thing I was slightly dishonest in here about was not knowing if you were trying to play word soup, (I didn't really think you were although it looked a bit like it). You on the other hand are trying to subtly change positions as if defending the smaller claim defends the larger claim, using ambiguity to obstruct analysis, and falsely accused me of having attacked your sexual prowess. It is your obstructions of honesty that make up the battleground here.