11-17-2017, 12:02 AM
"don’t understand the absence of stories of ruthlessness with the self via application of nagual to that self"
I'm sure it has something to do with what DJ called "the nearly invincible laxness of the human condition". I mean, where is self directed ruthlessness going to naturally come from in that context? In that regard, he also mentioned that the function of the fully trained/fledged nagual, with respect to teaching his/her students, was to provide emphasis. So the pressure to ruthlessness, I guess, is an external one until it becomes a resource that can be called upon from within. Issue is, that was a phenomenon available within the context of a formal lineage. Naguals overriding the natural laxness of their students by tricking them into apprenticeship and then mercilessly riding them until discipline was developed. I'm not sure how something like this plays out outside of the formal lineage, though.
I'm sure it has something to do with what DJ called "the nearly invincible laxness of the human condition". I mean, where is self directed ruthlessness going to naturally come from in that context? In that regard, he also mentioned that the function of the fully trained/fledged nagual, with respect to teaching his/her students, was to provide emphasis. So the pressure to ruthlessness, I guess, is an external one until it becomes a resource that can be called upon from within. Issue is, that was a phenomenon available within the context of a formal lineage. Naguals overriding the natural laxness of their students by tricking them into apprenticeship and then mercilessly riding them until discipline was developed. I'm not sure how something like this plays out outside of the formal lineage, though.