11-13-2014, 12:00 AM
thank you, Silver Wind, for mentioning this. I had no idea Leonardo Da Vinci was that interested in the elements.
What seems interesting to me in my tale (apart from the obvious discovery that I made) is that this information was actually first discovered by my body (my body reacted in similar ways and did the same movements and gestures instinctively quite some time before I had the perfect temperature conditions and closed my eyes and eventually put two and two together to realize stuff). I do not find that seeing is limited to sight or some metaphysical grasping of things, for me it is that but also very much linked to other senses. hearing, feeling of all sorts, even the sense of smell. This is why I thought what I say is not what Gugeye means, cause he seems to want some experience or knowledge that is not so linked with observable senses . But then how else is verifiable truth to be verified?
Gugeyewalker wrote:IF seeing is sensing the essence of things, I need to verify if others are seeing the same truths about water and flame...not what we have been taught or even observed with our senses and minds, but more awesome than that.
I do think that truth can be discovered and seen through the senses. If we see luminosity, is that not part of the sense of seeing? And if we smell flowers while listening to a song and no flowers around, or if we hear a whole orchestra in the sound of one drum... that can all lead to seeing. It is just that we tend to focus too much on sight, so the phrase became linked to sight too. but hearing is specifically also pretty important (not to mention feeling). But, I stray from topic of water and fire gazing , so I let this rest, as it is not crucial here. Just now I see it also links to what I said in another thread in Art of Stalking about the body. fluidity of the body. if one's body is allowed to be fluid and enjoy itself then interesting stuff follows .
I love the water
so now I am curious to finally find out about Gugeye's truth about water and fire
What seems interesting to me in my tale (apart from the obvious discovery that I made) is that this information was actually first discovered by my body (my body reacted in similar ways and did the same movements and gestures instinctively quite some time before I had the perfect temperature conditions and closed my eyes and eventually put two and two together to realize stuff). I do not find that seeing is limited to sight or some metaphysical grasping of things, for me it is that but also very much linked to other senses. hearing, feeling of all sorts, even the sense of smell. This is why I thought what I say is not what Gugeye means, cause he seems to want some experience or knowledge that is not so linked with observable senses . But then how else is verifiable truth to be verified?
Gugeyewalker wrote:IF seeing is sensing the essence of things, I need to verify if others are seeing the same truths about water and flame...not what we have been taught or even observed with our senses and minds, but more awesome than that.
I do think that truth can be discovered and seen through the senses. If we see luminosity, is that not part of the sense of seeing? And if we smell flowers while listening to a song and no flowers around, or if we hear a whole orchestra in the sound of one drum... that can all lead to seeing. It is just that we tend to focus too much on sight, so the phrase became linked to sight too. but hearing is specifically also pretty important (not to mention feeling). But, I stray from topic of water and fire gazing , so I let this rest, as it is not crucial here. Just now I see it also links to what I said in another thread in Art of Stalking about the body. fluidity of the body. if one's body is allowed to be fluid and enjoy itself then interesting stuff follows .
I love the water
so now I am curious to finally find out about Gugeye's truth about water and fire