11-13-2014, 12:00 AM
Okay...indeed it is kind of unfair to say 'no I won't share until you do!'
Maybe the topic should be about seeing and not so much fire and water. First let me establish, somehow, what 'seeing' seems to be from my point of view. It is bodily sensations that seem to (in my case almost whisper) the nature of things. Most of the time I feel a vibration sensation on the left side of my face, neck, and most especially the left side of my stomach. And when I do I know certain things to be true in spite of what my mind wants to believe. It does not replace the senses, but it seems indifferent to the senses mostly. The senses (especially sight) seems to only serve to select what I want to focus on.
I do not know if it works the same way for everyone. There have been rare times though when my left eye seems to go sorta cross involuntarily when I have these sensations (it moves on its own). So I have been putting forth a real effort lately to try to enhance, whatever this is. I have to admit though, I had not really been able to get these sensations until after an ecstasy experience about 16 years ago. Ever since then the sensations (no more ecstasy) have persisted.
I had been re-reading the Fire from Within. You remember the 'mirror in the water' trick?
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"Don Juan went on explaining that the ancient Toltecs had divided their secret knowledge into five
sets of two categories each: the earth and the dark regions, fire and water, the above and the below,
the loud and the silent, the moving and the stationary. He speculated that there must have been
thousands of different techniques, which became more and more intricate as time passed. "
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I think the above is basically anthropologically correct based on readings outside of Castaneda...
And then ....
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"In the case of their category of fire and water, they divided fire into heat and flame, and water into
wetness and fluidity. They correlated heat and wetness and called them lesser properties. They
considered flames and fluidity to be higher, magical properties, and they used them as a means for
bodily transportation to the realm of nonorganic life. "
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I am not really interested in non-organic life per se.
Anyway water conclusions based on gazing along the relatively calm shoreline of a bay - connected to the ocean.
Maybe You know this already and simply took this simple thing for granted. Water is aware. It is aware of itself, meaning it senses itself whether it is seperated by puddles, containers, thunderclouds, or even the water inside our bodies. It is packed full of potential energy that changes forms as it transits.
For the earth, it is the most powerful substance there is.
Finally, it vibrates or exists across other dimensions - it is on the edge of our band of attention so it is kind of like...on the borders of our perception. It is a membrane and accessible on another dimension as well as ours...hard to explain.
And I really do beleive that proper seeing may be open to different explanations, but it is not open to interpretation. You either perceive what is to be real, and it is consistent with what others see, or it isn't real.
I am curious about the universe, so seeing 'together' is important to me to cut out any false interpretations.
I had not considered wind and water to be the same. Certain there is water 'in the air' as vapor. But the flow of wind being similar or the same as the flow of water seems to be more of an insight about the energy of motion inside the medium of wind or water being the same. Maybe wind and water is the same, but have not tried to explore or 'see' wind. Avid windsurfer here, so certainly my body must know something about wind.
I want to say that air is different.
On fire - this is harder. There is something about fire I am reluctant to say because I think it may be wrong but hell I Will say it anyway. That is that fire, IS the same entity everywhere, whether it be the sun or a candle flame, when you gaze into a candle flame you might as well be gazing into every other flame in the world, or the sun itself, and perhaps far beyond.
Maybe the topic should be about seeing and not so much fire and water. First let me establish, somehow, what 'seeing' seems to be from my point of view. It is bodily sensations that seem to (in my case almost whisper) the nature of things. Most of the time I feel a vibration sensation on the left side of my face, neck, and most especially the left side of my stomach. And when I do I know certain things to be true in spite of what my mind wants to believe. It does not replace the senses, but it seems indifferent to the senses mostly. The senses (especially sight) seems to only serve to select what I want to focus on.
I do not know if it works the same way for everyone. There have been rare times though when my left eye seems to go sorta cross involuntarily when I have these sensations (it moves on its own). So I have been putting forth a real effort lately to try to enhance, whatever this is. I have to admit though, I had not really been able to get these sensations until after an ecstasy experience about 16 years ago. Ever since then the sensations (no more ecstasy) have persisted.
I had been re-reading the Fire from Within. You remember the 'mirror in the water' trick?
-----------------------------
"Don Juan went on explaining that the ancient Toltecs had divided their secret knowledge into five
sets of two categories each: the earth and the dark regions, fire and water, the above and the below,
the loud and the silent, the moving and the stationary. He speculated that there must have been
thousands of different techniques, which became more and more intricate as time passed. "
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I think the above is basically anthropologically correct based on readings outside of Castaneda...
And then ....
----------------------------------------------
"In the case of their category of fire and water, they divided fire into heat and flame, and water into
wetness and fluidity. They correlated heat and wetness and called them lesser properties. They
considered flames and fluidity to be higher, magical properties, and they used them as a means for
bodily transportation to the realm of nonorganic life. "
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I am not really interested in non-organic life per se.
Anyway water conclusions based on gazing along the relatively calm shoreline of a bay - connected to the ocean.
Maybe You know this already and simply took this simple thing for granted. Water is aware. It is aware of itself, meaning it senses itself whether it is seperated by puddles, containers, thunderclouds, or even the water inside our bodies. It is packed full of potential energy that changes forms as it transits.
For the earth, it is the most powerful substance there is.
Finally, it vibrates or exists across other dimensions - it is on the edge of our band of attention so it is kind of like...on the borders of our perception. It is a membrane and accessible on another dimension as well as ours...hard to explain.
And I really do beleive that proper seeing may be open to different explanations, but it is not open to interpretation. You either perceive what is to be real, and it is consistent with what others see, or it isn't real.
I am curious about the universe, so seeing 'together' is important to me to cut out any false interpretations.
I had not considered wind and water to be the same. Certain there is water 'in the air' as vapor. But the flow of wind being similar or the same as the flow of water seems to be more of an insight about the energy of motion inside the medium of wind or water being the same. Maybe wind and water is the same, but have not tried to explore or 'see' wind. Avid windsurfer here, so certainly my body must know something about wind.
I want to say that air is different.
On fire - this is harder. There is something about fire I am reluctant to say because I think it may be wrong but hell I Will say it anyway. That is that fire, IS the same entity everywhere, whether it be the sun or a candle flame, when you gaze into a candle flame you might as well be gazing into every other flame in the world, or the sun itself, and perhaps far beyond.