11-14-2014, 12:00 AM
heya you two. got a half hour before I need to get going again, so decided to stop, sit down somewhere and check on this thread.. curious like I said .
Yes, I was not claiming air and water are exactly the same. But the fluidity of the wind (air) and the fluidity of the water, that is I think what I basically observed/experienced and linked it to fire too. Maybe one could go further and say something is similar in air and water, for sure there is quite a lot similar, as both can make these fluid motions. They are also all encompassing and merge, in the sense how we see water come together easily when 2 bodies of water touch, same with air. Within the space that they are they create one body. So does fire if it has enough fuel in the joined area - if fuelling it is not an issue the flames join just like water joins. Water and air are not dependent on third party fuel stuff to help create them, at least not that overtly. Not to mention water and air intermingle without 'killing' one another. Vapour in air, bubbles in water.
The elements are pretty fascinating. But yea, given the excerpt of CC's Fire from Within, it seems obvious I was observing the fluidity of water/currents, air/wind and fire/flame and noticing their similarity, how it is in all three elements in basically the same way. Case in point for myself.. already I don't know how many-eth memo to re-read CC (I read the books only once many years ago before I knew anything much heh).
Water being aware is indeed for me a very basic common life fact
. I think I even mentioned above the incredible awareness of the sea.
Talking of bodily sensations that accompany seeing. I would say there are such, and they can be very helpful. One needs to be attentive to one's body to track it down. It is good to do, because then later it is easier to spot the voice of seeing.
Since transportation was mentioned I would like to add that gazing is a helpful tool for transportation.. for example as preparation for one's OBE journeys.
Coming to awareness of water. I have been checking on rivers on various parts of their journey. The water is not negatively affected by the pollutants and awareness of the cities etc. Not that I have seen... observation still in progress lol. It is we that see pollution and say it is polluted /diluted or what, but water similarly like fire just is. Fire can have different ways of burning too, depending on what fuels it and what mixes into that. it can have different colors just like water.. Or it can spit when it has less pure fuel etc. Fire can just be glowing embers I would say (with no real flame to be seen by the observable eye, until of course one puts in something and/or blows).
I would agree with the flame/fire observation of how fire seems less individual and more universal than say water, but I also think I have not done enough with fire and it might be individual too, just in a bit of a different way. But even if I do think it might be individualized in some ways, it does not take away the fact that it is all linked.
Maybe what is different in fire is the fire spirits .
Yes, I was not claiming air and water are exactly the same. But the fluidity of the wind (air) and the fluidity of the water, that is I think what I basically observed/experienced and linked it to fire too. Maybe one could go further and say something is similar in air and water, for sure there is quite a lot similar, as both can make these fluid motions. They are also all encompassing and merge, in the sense how we see water come together easily when 2 bodies of water touch, same with air. Within the space that they are they create one body. So does fire if it has enough fuel in the joined area - if fuelling it is not an issue the flames join just like water joins. Water and air are not dependent on third party fuel stuff to help create them, at least not that overtly. Not to mention water and air intermingle without 'killing' one another. Vapour in air, bubbles in water.
The elements are pretty fascinating. But yea, given the excerpt of CC's Fire from Within, it seems obvious I was observing the fluidity of water/currents, air/wind and fire/flame and noticing their similarity, how it is in all three elements in basically the same way. Case in point for myself.. already I don't know how many-eth memo to re-read CC (I read the books only once many years ago before I knew anything much heh).
Water being aware is indeed for me a very basic common life fact
. I think I even mentioned above the incredible awareness of the sea. Talking of bodily sensations that accompany seeing. I would say there are such, and they can be very helpful. One needs to be attentive to one's body to track it down. It is good to do, because then later it is easier to spot the voice of seeing.
Since transportation was mentioned I would like to add that gazing is a helpful tool for transportation.. for example as preparation for one's OBE journeys.
Coming to awareness of water. I have been checking on rivers on various parts of their journey. The water is not negatively affected by the pollutants and awareness of the cities etc. Not that I have seen... observation still in progress lol. It is we that see pollution and say it is polluted /diluted or what, but water similarly like fire just is. Fire can have different ways of burning too, depending on what fuels it and what mixes into that. it can have different colors just like water.. Or it can spit when it has less pure fuel etc. Fire can just be glowing embers I would say (with no real flame to be seen by the observable eye, until of course one puts in something and/or blows).
I would agree with the flame/fire observation of how fire seems less individual and more universal than say water, but I also think I have not done enough with fire and it might be individual too, just in a bit of a different way. But even if I do think it might be individualized in some ways, it does not take away the fact that it is all linked.
Maybe what is different in fire is the fire spirits .