02-19-2014, 12:00 AM
Littlepaw
I am guilty of assuming things about people, not listening and not seeing the value in another s point of view but I am getting better, so of course I want to preach to you all about your behavior : )
I know of no method by which one can think or believe anything without making any assumptions. That's with either the tonal or the dreaming mind. Being aware of the assumptions our beliefs require is a good thing, it helps us to drop those beliefs when the assumptions supporting them lose their apparent truthiness. Furthermore, in my case I tend to like constructive criticism. I've learned a lot from it in my life.
I think all our behavior here is up for discussion and all our behavior is self evident if we are able to stand back a little bit away from it.
preachy point number 1
Sometimes I feel people post reply's to make each other look good and to say that the other persons points are valid, kind of like you scratch my back and I'll scratch yours. Ego stroking.
Great observation! If I might add to it, I think there are lots of other relationship motivations behind a lot of the posting that goes on here. How I feel about someone and the relationship I want to have with them is definitely a factor in my posts. I imagine most everyone else does likewise, (and if they don't, they've coincidentally put on an amazing show of doing likewise), whether here or at any other forum. Its not much different to how I relate to people outside of the internet. If I'm really angry with someone I won't laugh much at their jokes or compliment their good ideas unless I'm trying to change that relationship, (unless its really funny or a mind blowing idea). Further if I have just complimented someone several times on ideas they've had and they then scoff at and belittle one I present I won't feel good about that. It would feel like they've failed to meet a certain unspoken obligation of behavior. So, expecting that, I would naturally feel some inclination to return the favor if someone were scratching my back in a post as you've put it.
Furthermore, I think this kind of stuff goes on so much that for many people it becomes subconscious and they are unaware that they do it. I've been largely unconscious of some of these kinds of hidden motivations in my own behavior in the past and have only recently started giving the topic a serious look.
preachy point number 2
Quite often I feel that peeps are talking about things way above their pay grade : ) I often see terminology life shifts of awareness and moving the assemblage point talked about as if these topics are easy to understand!
There is a difference between having a thought about something and having any real practical knowledge based on experience. Just because we can think about shifting the assemblage point does not mean that we know how to. This goes for other bold claims that are made, there is nothing gained in pretending we know know more than we do or in fooling our selves in to thinking that we understand.
That might be harder to avoid than you're suggesting here. For example if you were to take up the study of chess you'd probably soon be talking about things like the English Opening, the Queen's Gambit declined, the differences in philisophical approaches between the classical and hypermodern schools, and perhaps even how a famous article writ by Bobby Fischer once all but proved the King's Gambit to be a poor opening choice. Of course at a beginning level it could easily be said that you couldn't possibly understand any of that except at a very shallow level; and that one must be at least an International Master, if not a Grandmaster of chess in order to really know enough to talk about such things. Yet in order to learn the game, I think you would have to talk about those things. I'm not sure why, but maybe its as simple as Don Juan once said "As knowledge increases definitions change." (quote is from memory and may not be exact).
What is the shame in presenting ourselves as we are as human beings?
Again, that sounds easier said than done. In order to present ourselves as we are we have to first know who we are, and that's no trivial task.
I am guilty of misrepresenting myself and it comes down to simply being un- impeccable. Being impeccable is to act according to best of all the knowledge you have available right now. The reason why this is even important is because knowledge is not a constant, knowledge comes and goes and we should also what little knowledge we may have in those times when we feel dumb because that is where power is hiding!
I know how un impeccable I am I want to be better but I want to challenge some folks here to be also because I believe that you can do better and I can do better!!! : )
Kabla
Lots of great ideas for discussion in this little post. I'm glad I found it and was able to add to it. I trust you'll be dropping by one of my posts in the near future to shine some adoration on it as well? (Just kidding )
I am guilty of assuming things about people, not listening and not seeing the value in another s point of view but I am getting better, so of course I want to preach to you all about your behavior : )
I know of no method by which one can think or believe anything without making any assumptions. That's with either the tonal or the dreaming mind. Being aware of the assumptions our beliefs require is a good thing, it helps us to drop those beliefs when the assumptions supporting them lose their apparent truthiness. Furthermore, in my case I tend to like constructive criticism. I've learned a lot from it in my life.
I think all our behavior here is up for discussion and all our behavior is self evident if we are able to stand back a little bit away from it.
preachy point number 1
Sometimes I feel people post reply's to make each other look good and to say that the other persons points are valid, kind of like you scratch my back and I'll scratch yours. Ego stroking.
Great observation! If I might add to it, I think there are lots of other relationship motivations behind a lot of the posting that goes on here. How I feel about someone and the relationship I want to have with them is definitely a factor in my posts. I imagine most everyone else does likewise, (and if they don't, they've coincidentally put on an amazing show of doing likewise), whether here or at any other forum. Its not much different to how I relate to people outside of the internet. If I'm really angry with someone I won't laugh much at their jokes or compliment their good ideas unless I'm trying to change that relationship, (unless its really funny or a mind blowing idea). Further if I have just complimented someone several times on ideas they've had and they then scoff at and belittle one I present I won't feel good about that. It would feel like they've failed to meet a certain unspoken obligation of behavior. So, expecting that, I would naturally feel some inclination to return the favor if someone were scratching my back in a post as you've put it.
Furthermore, I think this kind of stuff goes on so much that for many people it becomes subconscious and they are unaware that they do it. I've been largely unconscious of some of these kinds of hidden motivations in my own behavior in the past and have only recently started giving the topic a serious look.
preachy point number 2
Quite often I feel that peeps are talking about things way above their pay grade : ) I often see terminology life shifts of awareness and moving the assemblage point talked about as if these topics are easy to understand!
There is a difference between having a thought about something and having any real practical knowledge based on experience. Just because we can think about shifting the assemblage point does not mean that we know how to. This goes for other bold claims that are made, there is nothing gained in pretending we know know more than we do or in fooling our selves in to thinking that we understand.
That might be harder to avoid than you're suggesting here. For example if you were to take up the study of chess you'd probably soon be talking about things like the English Opening, the Queen's Gambit declined, the differences in philisophical approaches between the classical and hypermodern schools, and perhaps even how a famous article writ by Bobby Fischer once all but proved the King's Gambit to be a poor opening choice. Of course at a beginning level it could easily be said that you couldn't possibly understand any of that except at a very shallow level; and that one must be at least an International Master, if not a Grandmaster of chess in order to really know enough to talk about such things. Yet in order to learn the game, I think you would have to talk about those things. I'm not sure why, but maybe its as simple as Don Juan once said "As knowledge increases definitions change." (quote is from memory and may not be exact).
What is the shame in presenting ourselves as we are as human beings?
Again, that sounds easier said than done. In order to present ourselves as we are we have to first know who we are, and that's no trivial task.
I am guilty of misrepresenting myself and it comes down to simply being un- impeccable. Being impeccable is to act according to best of all the knowledge you have available right now. The reason why this is even important is because knowledge is not a constant, knowledge comes and goes and we should also what little knowledge we may have in those times when we feel dumb because that is where power is hiding!
I know how un impeccable I am I want to be better but I want to challenge some folks here to be also because I believe that you can do better and I can do better!!! : )
Kabla
Lots of great ideas for discussion in this little post. I'm glad I found it and was able to add to it. I trust you'll be dropping by one of my posts in the near future to shine some adoration on it as well? (Just kidding )