03-21-2014, 12:00 AM
Littlepaw wrote:The Eagle! I doubt many of us are going to avoid that Lol. I know you have not discussed this issue for some years and it concerns me that you are reluctant to do so. Am I wrong in thinking that you chose a watered down version of your views to present above? Have you kept something back in reserve if needed if the fight gets serious?I don't think is accurate to call what I gave above a watered down version of my views. Obviously I didn't write down all of my thoughts on gender issues. First I wanted to remain on topic with the thread and stay away from tangents. Secondly, I wanted to start with the very basics. Find out where any disagreements are with the fundamentals before trying to build from them.
Have you kept something back in reserve if needed if the fight gets serious?I really don't like the word fight used as a synonym for debate. In part, because the implications of "serious debate" and "serious fight" are pretty much opposites. I have reasons for my views, and if I don't state them all it isn't out of trying to keep some ammo in reserve but out of finding where the disagreement is in the first place before presenting the argument, (using the logical definition of argument, and not the more modern use where argument is a synonym for "shouting match").
Our last discussion about gender roles got me thinking. I marked you
down as someone who is not afraid to speak passionately about what he
believes, great! but is this really the right time? What is going on
with Shamanka? I really don't know her well enough to asses what kind
of place she is in, if she is feeling empowered or vulnerable, full of
resolve or uncertain about things?This is getting a little uncomfortable because I'm feeling like we're talking about shamanka as if she wasn't here, which people usually find to be rude. So let me address shamanka directly here for a moment, and say I hope you don't feel offended by being talked about like this as that isn't my intent, (and I doubt its Littlepaw's intent either).
To answer the questions, I didn't choose the time like a military strategist or anything. As I didn't like saying before and I still don't like the way it sounds now, I felt moved by the spirit to respond. It chose the time.
Have you considered that by trashing Kelly Marceau you are trashing
Shamankas voice of expression? What I am trying to say is is it for
Shamankas benefit that you correct her on this issue?
Have you considered that having one's voice of expression trashed might be a good thing? She's chosen a woman who promotes views that hurt innocent people for her expression. And those views hurt those who embrace them most of all. If everyone around her agrees, and all the men she talks to cower and meekly accept such things, they are doing her a disservice. She, and others here, may never have seen a man stand tall in his own energy and tell a female bully "No, I won't accept that from you. I am not your inferior, not morally, not as far as my sexual and parental value is concerned, and not in any other way. I owe you nothing. I was not born owing any woman anything and whatever needs you think you have do not create an obligation upon me. If you continue to push views that assume female supremacy I want nothing to do with you.". I certainly never saw anything like that on television. Now, at least the people following this thread know what that looks like.
So, that's why I see my discussion of this here as being primarily for her benefit. I'll likely make some other threads on gender issues, which won't be primarily for her sake, but because I've been feeling a building push to discuss them in these forums.
Have you kept something back in reserve if needed if the fight gets serious?I really don't like the word fight used as a synonym for debate. In part, because the implications of "serious debate" and "serious fight" are pretty much opposites. I have reasons for my views, and if I don't state them all it isn't out of trying to keep some ammo in reserve but out of finding where the disagreement is in the first place before presenting the argument, (using the logical definition of argument, and not the more modern use where argument is a synonym for "shouting match").
Our last discussion about gender roles got me thinking. I marked you
down as someone who is not afraid to speak passionately about what he
believes, great! but is this really the right time? What is going on
with Shamanka? I really don't know her well enough to asses what kind
of place she is in, if she is feeling empowered or vulnerable, full of
resolve or uncertain about things?This is getting a little uncomfortable because I'm feeling like we're talking about shamanka as if she wasn't here, which people usually find to be rude. So let me address shamanka directly here for a moment, and say I hope you don't feel offended by being talked about like this as that isn't my intent, (and I doubt its Littlepaw's intent either).
To answer the questions, I didn't choose the time like a military strategist or anything. As I didn't like saying before and I still don't like the way it sounds now, I felt moved by the spirit to respond. It chose the time.
Have you considered that by trashing Kelly Marceau you are trashing
Shamankas voice of expression? What I am trying to say is is it for
Shamankas benefit that you correct her on this issue?
Have you considered that having one's voice of expression trashed might be a good thing? She's chosen a woman who promotes views that hurt innocent people for her expression. And those views hurt those who embrace them most of all. If everyone around her agrees, and all the men she talks to cower and meekly accept such things, they are doing her a disservice. She, and others here, may never have seen a man stand tall in his own energy and tell a female bully "No, I won't accept that from you. I am not your inferior, not morally, not as far as my sexual and parental value is concerned, and not in any other way. I owe you nothing. I was not born owing any woman anything and whatever needs you think you have do not create an obligation upon me. If you continue to push views that assume female supremacy I want nothing to do with you.". I certainly never saw anything like that on television. Now, at least the people following this thread know what that looks like.
So, that's why I see my discussion of this here as being primarily for her benefit. I'll likely make some other threads on gender issues, which won't be primarily for her sake, but because I've been feeling a building push to discuss them in these forums.