03-24-2014, 12:00 AM
I'll just let you know how parts of your most recent post here sounds to me and the questions I have about them, and you can do what you want with that. I know I'm being critical, but remember I know the difference between what you've written and your being. It isn't your being that I disagree with, its what you've presented here.
I talk in sorcery terms when it comes to relationships....i talk from
the space of being, not from a tonal space at all....what you do or do
not do in the tonal doesnt interest me..its harmonious energetic flow expressing itself, as a sovereign being,
and understanding that and how, if one wishes that can be utilized, for
folly on the tonal..as the tonal is nothing but folly..This seems to be sort of a catch-all that you've gotten into the habit of employing for all disagreements. It reads like "I'm coming from a higher awareness, thus my belief can't be wrong." Combined with your renowned dismissal of evidence and logical arguments as being "from mind" and thus beneath you, that doesn't leave those who disagree any room to work with you. Either they accept what you say on your word alone, dogmatically, or they don't. That's the extent of what your framing of disagreements in this fashion allows. The worst part of it, as it looks to me, is that it forces you to remain completely blind to any errors in your beliefs. Of course, you say you don't have beliefs, but if not then what is it that you have that appear to be beliefs? Isn't the idea that you have no beliefs a belief in itself? I don't know what its like to have no beliefs, but I can imagine what it would be like to pretend not to have them as a defense against being shown to have believed something in error. Are you absolutely sure that isn't what you're doing, and if so is there any way you can explain what it is you are doing so those of us not in the same awareness as you could understand it?
so taking the tonal out of it, you have no gender, but males and
females, are in form, holding different configurations of energy..This reminds me of an argument I came across a lot in my activist days. Except in that case it was usually about men and women being physically different. Basically its "Men and women are different. Thus wo/men should do X". Unless the physical differences between men and women actually relate to X the argument is a non sequitur. The same holds true with energetic differences. I agree that we are energetically configured differently. I don't agree that this fact means that if any woman ever told me that I needed to man up I need to check myself before I riiggedy wreck myself. Is this really just because I'm less aware?i dont like 'rules' either...however, rebelling against ones own best tonal folly is futile...because you are not in control....A question about any rule that I feel should be asked is who authored it? Is it really the spirit/nagual/universe that came up with the rule that women are a prize and that men who think they might be prizes are just emotional potty training spoiled brats, and this is why men should be required to pay for consciously awake women's companionship should they want to date one as that's our best tonal folly? It sure doesn't feel that way. From my awareness, it looks like Kelly and others throughout history have been authoring rules like this themselves, not out of trying to conform with the rules of the universe but out of their own personal motivations and self-interests. Can you explain this a little better or am I still stuck either with dogmatically taking your word for it or not?
so seeing difficulties with interactions in such situations, what i
count as a total waste of energy,i attempted to express an alternative.Well, I've seen others offer traditional anti-male sexism as an alternative to our modern feminist-inspired anti-male sexism, and I've never cared for either alternative. Why not just treat people as human beings? That seems like a good alternative.becoming unconcerned with such things as gender issuesI'm much less concerned about them than I used to be though I still them as problems causing great pain to billions of people. But from my awareness I don't understand why you post so much on things that you are completely unconcerned about.
at that point however, you are willing to go with what works as folly on
the tonal, rather than fight the good fight of sovereignty and your
'rights' of that..that 'status' doesn't interest you anymore..you've
done it and, you wish to gain awareness of something else.It has nothing to do with my status and everything to do with trying to help others. Mostly, I just want others to see the issues for what they are. Once people seem to understand that a problem exists I tend to lose interest, (not sure exactly why, I just tend to work that way).don't do things for me..that's a waste of energy..I promise nothing! Not doing things for other people just doesn't feel right to me.
do stuff for your
'totality of self'..Well yes, I'll do that too.that way you wont get offended, if i don't play any
more..huh?I'll do my best, but I hope you gain something from this regardless of when you choose to stop playing.
I talk in sorcery terms when it comes to relationships....i talk from
the space of being, not from a tonal space at all....what you do or do
not do in the tonal doesnt interest me..its harmonious energetic flow expressing itself, as a sovereign being,
and understanding that and how, if one wishes that can be utilized, for
folly on the tonal..as the tonal is nothing but folly..This seems to be sort of a catch-all that you've gotten into the habit of employing for all disagreements. It reads like "I'm coming from a higher awareness, thus my belief can't be wrong." Combined with your renowned dismissal of evidence and logical arguments as being "from mind" and thus beneath you, that doesn't leave those who disagree any room to work with you. Either they accept what you say on your word alone, dogmatically, or they don't. That's the extent of what your framing of disagreements in this fashion allows. The worst part of it, as it looks to me, is that it forces you to remain completely blind to any errors in your beliefs. Of course, you say you don't have beliefs, but if not then what is it that you have that appear to be beliefs? Isn't the idea that you have no beliefs a belief in itself? I don't know what its like to have no beliefs, but I can imagine what it would be like to pretend not to have them as a defense against being shown to have believed something in error. Are you absolutely sure that isn't what you're doing, and if so is there any way you can explain what it is you are doing so those of us not in the same awareness as you could understand it?
so taking the tonal out of it, you have no gender, but males and
females, are in form, holding different configurations of energy..This reminds me of an argument I came across a lot in my activist days. Except in that case it was usually about men and women being physically different. Basically its "Men and women are different. Thus wo/men should do X". Unless the physical differences between men and women actually relate to X the argument is a non sequitur. The same holds true with energetic differences. I agree that we are energetically configured differently. I don't agree that this fact means that if any woman ever told me that I needed to man up I need to check myself before I riiggedy wreck myself. Is this really just because I'm less aware?i dont like 'rules' either...however, rebelling against ones own best tonal folly is futile...because you are not in control....A question about any rule that I feel should be asked is who authored it? Is it really the spirit/nagual/universe that came up with the rule that women are a prize and that men who think they might be prizes are just emotional potty training spoiled brats, and this is why men should be required to pay for consciously awake women's companionship should they want to date one as that's our best tonal folly? It sure doesn't feel that way. From my awareness, it looks like Kelly and others throughout history have been authoring rules like this themselves, not out of trying to conform with the rules of the universe but out of their own personal motivations and self-interests. Can you explain this a little better or am I still stuck either with dogmatically taking your word for it or not?
so seeing difficulties with interactions in such situations, what i
count as a total waste of energy,i attempted to express an alternative.Well, I've seen others offer traditional anti-male sexism as an alternative to our modern feminist-inspired anti-male sexism, and I've never cared for either alternative. Why not just treat people as human beings? That seems like a good alternative.becoming unconcerned with such things as gender issuesI'm much less concerned about them than I used to be though I still them as problems causing great pain to billions of people. But from my awareness I don't understand why you post so much on things that you are completely unconcerned about.
at that point however, you are willing to go with what works as folly on
the tonal, rather than fight the good fight of sovereignty and your
'rights' of that..that 'status' doesn't interest you anymore..you've
done it and, you wish to gain awareness of something else.It has nothing to do with my status and everything to do with trying to help others. Mostly, I just want others to see the issues for what they are. Once people seem to understand that a problem exists I tend to lose interest, (not sure exactly why, I just tend to work that way).don't do things for me..that's a waste of energy..I promise nothing! Not doing things for other people just doesn't feel right to me.
do stuff for your
'totality of self'..Well yes, I'll do that too.that way you wont get offended, if i don't play any
more..huh?I'll do my best, but I hope you gain something from this regardless of when you choose to stop playing.