01-02-2017, 12:00 AM
Serloco, you seem to be moving into threads that are of other lines.
These places of reality that you mention, where you have the control and followers etc, are (according to both of us) not healthy. If they were you would not have made this thread/first post. Instead of talking about that, which you have talked about elsewhere, maybe you could ponder what I wrote. Consider a different perspective. It is all I have to offer. There is no "true idea" or whatever.
I find it is dangerous to make places where one conserves oneself and one's opinions and wants and ideas into a tin-can and marinates there in this world of one's creation. It is dangerous and borders on delusions.
I prefer places that are much more alive and it allows creativity to others. Collaboration. That is where magic happens.
Does an inactive judgment even have a significant push on reality?
serloco wrote:you said that your judgements pusshes people t be meaner if you judge them to be mean right? Well why empower such an wrong idea? WHy contribute to that cruelty ust be judging someone in a correct fashion according to what they actually are? Why not suspend the push? Just because you judge someone doesnt have to influence them in any way. Why not suspend that energy and adopt a more positive form of knowledge?
To answer your first question. I do not empower it in a different way, I try to grow and hold a space of growth for people, not pin them down. This, what you think is so negative, can be one of the most positive things out there in our world. Switch your perspective, your growth will be enhanced and your life will be the better for it. Plus, if you can keep the spot of not pushing judgments on others then why does it matter anyway? You have to pick your battles and choose what to devote your energy to. I rather live in a world where I dont judge and am more pure (for lack of a better world) and where this action influences the reality around me (which also has the great consequence that it mirrors my own flaws so I can better myself) than live in a world where I can be the stinkiest ass-hole (and become more and more sick cause there is no mirror) and where no one has any effect on anybody.
serloco wrote:When I first fell into the sorcery path and empwered my judgements and perceptions I met a woman online. We exchanged ideas and talked for hours to each other. One day I asked her for a picture of herself. She sent me a picture of an african woman, black and happy. Later on I shifted my idea of her and her form as we had done many times together. I asked her for another picture and she sent me one that showed herself to be white and european. I knew before hand that my judgement would shift my reality. I decided to believe in alternate dimensions where both of these ladies were real. My judgement was set. Sure enough over the years I interacted with both of these women. My judgement made both realities real. It is only a certain level of realness. We have different vocabulary. Yes, it is real, but also, I am not an Asian grandfather. It doesnt matter if you believe it and if it is real for you, it will not be real for me, no matter what you do.
How can you just think of yourself? If someone plays the game with you, like this woman, then sure, you can have more fun with these two realities and whatnot, but if she doesnt then it is again just you in your own tin can. We are back to collaboration.
serloco wrote:You say you know of the world and that there is nothign so powerful to have all your wants and desires met. I don't think I said that. I understand your position. I think, and this is my opinion, that you might benefit by accommodating a different one . And it is probably something you might want to consider if you keep being unhappy with the stuff you seem unhappy about now. (also the way you phrase the sentence it has a double meaning 1. that nothing as powerful as having your wants/desires met exists 2. there is nothing more powerful than having your wants/desires come true. - I took the 1st option, made more sense)
I do not think it is wise to want to have all one's wants and desires met . The sad thing is we rarely know what is best/good for us. I think the max we can do for ourselves is to align as best we can with spirit (or God for you I guess). This is how the world becomes magical. One does not need to change the world. The world is already amazing, one just needs to drop one's pretenses and judgments and stop controlling things to one's desires. Start listening to something else other than one's own ego.
serloco wrote:Many people think their idea of the world is the true idea and thus must be the same for everyone else. I don't think that. I allow you your worlds, don't I? Also, I do not go into 'true idea' territory, things are very fluid and I know too little . Plus there are people who really live in different realities. Still, most people agree on a certain consensual reality. That is what most people talk about and refer to when they speak. It differs slightly of course.
serloco wrote:Why is it so hard to believe in such a grand position where every want may be met? We have a misunderstanding, I do not know where you got this idea that I think this or that. But since you (do not) ask... I think such a position exists, of course. Also, I do not need to dispute if you had this happen in your life. I do not know you and therefore I have neither seen or not seen it. Like I said, I do not need to judge the truth of your reality.
serloco wrote:The world, is, when you get down to the nnitty gritt, intent. Indifferent at its core. So why not intend your dreams to come true?or use a form of knowledge that epowers your desires and wants and dreams? my point tho, is that even tho you know your world, yooou do not know everyone else's. I wonder why you say that the all powerful one who makes all his wants come true doesnt exist? I responded in part above to this. I was also saying that there are others in the equation not just you or me.
I was trying to tell you that exact same thing. It is about intent. You have noticed that you need to change, you have noticed deficiencies and bad things in how you did stuff before. I am wishing you find a better way to apply your intent and the magic of your being. I was also saying: do not blame sorcery for your imperfections.
It is great that you want to better align yourself with spirit/god and give more life and attention to your heart and soul... Where I live that means to me you are moving into a more magical place - and that is closer to what I understand under sorcery/shamanism. Not that 'evil sorcery' stuff you talked about (imo).
These places of reality that you mention, where you have the control and followers etc, are (according to both of us) not healthy. If they were you would not have made this thread/first post. Instead of talking about that, which you have talked about elsewhere, maybe you could ponder what I wrote. Consider a different perspective. It is all I have to offer. There is no "true idea" or whatever.
I find it is dangerous to make places where one conserves oneself and one's opinions and wants and ideas into a tin-can and marinates there in this world of one's creation. It is dangerous and borders on delusions.
I prefer places that are much more alive and it allows creativity to others. Collaboration. That is where magic happens.
Does an inactive judgment even have a significant push on reality?
serloco wrote:you said that your judgements pusshes people t be meaner if you judge them to be mean right? Well why empower such an wrong idea? WHy contribute to that cruelty ust be judging someone in a correct fashion according to what they actually are? Why not suspend the push? Just because you judge someone doesnt have to influence them in any way. Why not suspend that energy and adopt a more positive form of knowledge?
To answer your first question. I do not empower it in a different way, I try to grow and hold a space of growth for people, not pin them down. This, what you think is so negative, can be one of the most positive things out there in our world. Switch your perspective, your growth will be enhanced and your life will be the better for it. Plus, if you can keep the spot of not pushing judgments on others then why does it matter anyway? You have to pick your battles and choose what to devote your energy to. I rather live in a world where I dont judge and am more pure (for lack of a better world) and where this action influences the reality around me (which also has the great consequence that it mirrors my own flaws so I can better myself) than live in a world where I can be the stinkiest ass-hole (and become more and more sick cause there is no mirror) and where no one has any effect on anybody.
serloco wrote:When I first fell into the sorcery path and empwered my judgements and perceptions I met a woman online. We exchanged ideas and talked for hours to each other. One day I asked her for a picture of herself. She sent me a picture of an african woman, black and happy. Later on I shifted my idea of her and her form as we had done many times together. I asked her for another picture and she sent me one that showed herself to be white and european. I knew before hand that my judgement would shift my reality. I decided to believe in alternate dimensions where both of these ladies were real. My judgement was set. Sure enough over the years I interacted with both of these women. My judgement made both realities real. It is only a certain level of realness. We have different vocabulary. Yes, it is real, but also, I am not an Asian grandfather. It doesnt matter if you believe it and if it is real for you, it will not be real for me, no matter what you do.
How can you just think of yourself? If someone plays the game with you, like this woman, then sure, you can have more fun with these two realities and whatnot, but if she doesnt then it is again just you in your own tin can. We are back to collaboration.
serloco wrote:You say you know of the world and that there is nothign so powerful to have all your wants and desires met. I don't think I said that. I understand your position. I think, and this is my opinion, that you might benefit by accommodating a different one . And it is probably something you might want to consider if you keep being unhappy with the stuff you seem unhappy about now. (also the way you phrase the sentence it has a double meaning 1. that nothing as powerful as having your wants/desires met exists 2. there is nothing more powerful than having your wants/desires come true. - I took the 1st option, made more sense)
I do not think it is wise to want to have all one's wants and desires met . The sad thing is we rarely know what is best/good for us. I think the max we can do for ourselves is to align as best we can with spirit (or God for you I guess). This is how the world becomes magical. One does not need to change the world. The world is already amazing, one just needs to drop one's pretenses and judgments and stop controlling things to one's desires. Start listening to something else other than one's own ego.
serloco wrote:Many people think their idea of the world is the true idea and thus must be the same for everyone else. I don't think that. I allow you your worlds, don't I? Also, I do not go into 'true idea' territory, things are very fluid and I know too little . Plus there are people who really live in different realities. Still, most people agree on a certain consensual reality. That is what most people talk about and refer to when they speak. It differs slightly of course.
serloco wrote:Why is it so hard to believe in such a grand position where every want may be met? We have a misunderstanding, I do not know where you got this idea that I think this or that. But since you (do not) ask... I think such a position exists, of course. Also, I do not need to dispute if you had this happen in your life. I do not know you and therefore I have neither seen or not seen it. Like I said, I do not need to judge the truth of your reality.
serloco wrote:The world, is, when you get down to the nnitty gritt, intent. Indifferent at its core. So why not intend your dreams to come true?or use a form of knowledge that epowers your desires and wants and dreams? my point tho, is that even tho you know your world, yooou do not know everyone else's. I wonder why you say that the all powerful one who makes all his wants come true doesnt exist? I responded in part above to this. I was also saying that there are others in the equation not just you or me.
I was trying to tell you that exact same thing. It is about intent. You have noticed that you need to change, you have noticed deficiencies and bad things in how you did stuff before. I am wishing you find a better way to apply your intent and the magic of your being. I was also saying: do not blame sorcery for your imperfections.
It is great that you want to better align yourself with spirit/god and give more life and attention to your heart and soul... Where I live that means to me you are moving into a more magical place - and that is closer to what I understand under sorcery/shamanism. Not that 'evil sorcery' stuff you talked about (imo).