08-24-2016, 12:00 AM
serloco wrote:I dont think that there is a need to start a new thread. Please feel free to add anything you wish to in here.
It is my understanding that thoughts originate from pure consciousness, awareness of the world around you, whatever you are focusing attention on. As we grow up most of us learn to speak, and as such much our mind gets converted into dialogue or words, however when you look closely at your own thoughts you can see the spark of consciousness, that then gets forms into dialogue. I prefer to not have so much dialogue and enjoy purer awareness, or consciousness. As we grow our consciousness develops a personalized form, a signature of our likes, and dislikes, our knowledge we come to learn of which gets activated at appropriate times through our memory. In other words pathways get formed. Most people believe that our brains are the vessels in which form thoughts, however I have learned with careful observation that it is indeed a body of awareness and not the brain. The brain is formed from our awareness. It is like a creative reflection of our awareness.
It is important to note that just because we have learned and built these pathways does not mean we can not leave them behind and remake ourselves in a new position. We can create new pathways whenever we want. It had been said that these mental pathways, this internal dialogue of what we have learned and discovered constantly tells us and the world what it is, and thus forms the alignment of reality. WHat you think is real is thus the perception that you generate, align to, as real.
Is that more of what you would like to see?Yes, but bigger! We're scientists here exploring the meta of all metas! It's THE thing behind every post in this forum, behind the invention of all things ever invented, behind the strategy of every battle that's been won! And any serious examination of thinking itself is conspicuously absent from education systems around the globe, whose very stated purpose is to teach young people to think! This makes it a powerful occult doctrine as well. Your image of Einstein is very appropriate here, as is the quote. If we consider thinking from the level of a couple guys chit-chatting at a bar, trying to entertain themselves for a while without any real examination put into it, our results will reflect that. If we approach it from the level of scientists delving deep into something that rest of the world is ignoring trying to discover all we can about it, our results will reflect that. I'd like to do the latter.
To that end, let's start as scientists will, just by making observations. Look at what thinking is and how it seems to work and write it down (or type in this case) so it's not just sitting in our heads but out where we can really examine it.
To that end I'm going to ask some observing questions and give my answers, hoping others will do likewise. This may help me notice things I'd missed and clarify my own observations and may also show us if there are any differences in thinking, (as a process), between us.
1. What is a thought?
JJ - A thought seems to be condensed energy which forms a tunnel from one place to another. When I put my awareness inside the tunnel, I hear it as words. From outside, I see/feel it as a straw-sized tunnel whose walls are condensed energy. The tunnel is always straight, and always near my head, (at least when it's my own thoughts). Note that at the moment I'm only considering a concept as a thought, and not just an image. I might answer these questions differently if we want to look at mental images too.
2. How is a thought formed?
JJ - Three ways come to mind.
a) One is by searching with my awareness for a point which might contain the answer to a question I'm trying to solve, and then focusing on finding a path between me and it. The point is just a lit up point when I find it, and the path is built of energy condensing toward it. This is then followed by an examination of the path, and if I see it as having cracks I know it's got some logical issues with it. Sometimes I can move through the path and fix those, sometimes they are too flawed, in which case I look for a new path. Sometimes I find a new, clean path to the same point. If not, I go back and search for a new point and start over.
b) Another way is by following along with words or other symbols, such as those used in math. So if a group of words describes a concept as I read it I'm building the concept with words. Or if I'm trying to solve something like 19283 * 345, then I can follow the symbols as I'm working with them to create the path. In that case however I'm not likely to put much energy into the path as it would seem unimportant to remember it later, but the option is there.
c) Same as b but with someone else explaining the concept to me.
3. What is the relationship between images and thoughts?
JJ - To me, images intensify thoughts. They bring emotion to them. In fact, I'm not sure I've ever had an emotional reaction to ideas without images accompanying them. This seems useful in cases where I want to imagine a way to do something, or in meditation if I want to imagine moving energy around. (A good example of this would be trying to move energy up your back... then try it again imagine a finger running up your spine pushing the energy. For me, the 2nd case is much easier and more effective). This also has the potential of getting me stuck in emotions for a while, if I imagine things which trigger them in me.
4. How is a thought dissolved?
JJ - I'm not sure they are ever fully dissolved. I've stopped paying attention to thoughts, forgotten some, and stopped believing others, but I don't remember ever having tried to dissolve one and am not sure how that would work.
5. What is the relationship between thoughts and energy?
JJ - I think that thoughts can store energy inside them, more than just what is required to make the thought. This energy can persist even if a thought is not really believed. For example, arachnophobes don't really believe spiders are killing machines, but they have a thought that says they are with lots of energy in it which gets activated anyway when they think about spiders. Other thoughts which store energy can be pleasant memories. Thoughts about people treating other people poorly tend to store lots of anger. Using these thoughts may be a way of gaining energy when needed which could be repurposed for other uses.
I'll stop at 5 questions for now, and see what questions serloco, (or anyone else) wants to add to this. Hopefully, some of you might answer these questions too and help provide a better view of thinking as a whole instead of just how *I* do it.
It is my understanding that thoughts originate from pure consciousness, awareness of the world around you, whatever you are focusing attention on. As we grow up most of us learn to speak, and as such much our mind gets converted into dialogue or words, however when you look closely at your own thoughts you can see the spark of consciousness, that then gets forms into dialogue. I prefer to not have so much dialogue and enjoy purer awareness, or consciousness. As we grow our consciousness develops a personalized form, a signature of our likes, and dislikes, our knowledge we come to learn of which gets activated at appropriate times through our memory. In other words pathways get formed. Most people believe that our brains are the vessels in which form thoughts, however I have learned with careful observation that it is indeed a body of awareness and not the brain. The brain is formed from our awareness. It is like a creative reflection of our awareness.
It is important to note that just because we have learned and built these pathways does not mean we can not leave them behind and remake ourselves in a new position. We can create new pathways whenever we want. It had been said that these mental pathways, this internal dialogue of what we have learned and discovered constantly tells us and the world what it is, and thus forms the alignment of reality. WHat you think is real is thus the perception that you generate, align to, as real.
Is that more of what you would like to see?Yes, but bigger! We're scientists here exploring the meta of all metas! It's THE thing behind every post in this forum, behind the invention of all things ever invented, behind the strategy of every battle that's been won! And any serious examination of thinking itself is conspicuously absent from education systems around the globe, whose very stated purpose is to teach young people to think! This makes it a powerful occult doctrine as well. Your image of Einstein is very appropriate here, as is the quote. If we consider thinking from the level of a couple guys chit-chatting at a bar, trying to entertain themselves for a while without any real examination put into it, our results will reflect that. If we approach it from the level of scientists delving deep into something that rest of the world is ignoring trying to discover all we can about it, our results will reflect that. I'd like to do the latter.
To that end, let's start as scientists will, just by making observations. Look at what thinking is and how it seems to work and write it down (or type in this case) so it's not just sitting in our heads but out where we can really examine it.
To that end I'm going to ask some observing questions and give my answers, hoping others will do likewise. This may help me notice things I'd missed and clarify my own observations and may also show us if there are any differences in thinking, (as a process), between us.
1. What is a thought?
JJ - A thought seems to be condensed energy which forms a tunnel from one place to another. When I put my awareness inside the tunnel, I hear it as words. From outside, I see/feel it as a straw-sized tunnel whose walls are condensed energy. The tunnel is always straight, and always near my head, (at least when it's my own thoughts). Note that at the moment I'm only considering a concept as a thought, and not just an image. I might answer these questions differently if we want to look at mental images too.
2. How is a thought formed?
JJ - Three ways come to mind.
a) One is by searching with my awareness for a point which might contain the answer to a question I'm trying to solve, and then focusing on finding a path between me and it. The point is just a lit up point when I find it, and the path is built of energy condensing toward it. This is then followed by an examination of the path, and if I see it as having cracks I know it's got some logical issues with it. Sometimes I can move through the path and fix those, sometimes they are too flawed, in which case I look for a new path. Sometimes I find a new, clean path to the same point. If not, I go back and search for a new point and start over.
b) Another way is by following along with words or other symbols, such as those used in math. So if a group of words describes a concept as I read it I'm building the concept with words. Or if I'm trying to solve something like 19283 * 345, then I can follow the symbols as I'm working with them to create the path. In that case however I'm not likely to put much energy into the path as it would seem unimportant to remember it later, but the option is there.
c) Same as b but with someone else explaining the concept to me.
3. What is the relationship between images and thoughts?
JJ - To me, images intensify thoughts. They bring emotion to them. In fact, I'm not sure I've ever had an emotional reaction to ideas without images accompanying them. This seems useful in cases where I want to imagine a way to do something, or in meditation if I want to imagine moving energy around. (A good example of this would be trying to move energy up your back... then try it again imagine a finger running up your spine pushing the energy. For me, the 2nd case is much easier and more effective). This also has the potential of getting me stuck in emotions for a while, if I imagine things which trigger them in me.
4. How is a thought dissolved?
JJ - I'm not sure they are ever fully dissolved. I've stopped paying attention to thoughts, forgotten some, and stopped believing others, but I don't remember ever having tried to dissolve one and am not sure how that would work.
5. What is the relationship between thoughts and energy?
JJ - I think that thoughts can store energy inside them, more than just what is required to make the thought. This energy can persist even if a thought is not really believed. For example, arachnophobes don't really believe spiders are killing machines, but they have a thought that says they are with lots of energy in it which gets activated anyway when they think about spiders. Other thoughts which store energy can be pleasant memories. Thoughts about people treating other people poorly tend to store lots of anger. Using these thoughts may be a way of gaining energy when needed which could be repurposed for other uses.
I'll stop at 5 questions for now, and see what questions serloco, (or anyone else) wants to add to this. Hopefully, some of you might answer these questions too and help provide a better view of thinking as a whole instead of just how *I* do it.