10-18-2011, 12:00 AM
Nagual LoneWolf wrote:
A four compartment being has a complete double that can and does coexist within or with out the physical being. This double is connected to the designs of the spirit. A nagual being uses its complete double to survive physical death whether it chooses to or not.
... but the true verification is through the link with spirit for the other's nagual double may not be present when being 'seen.' This link can be described as having a constant companion which is unseen but always with you. I have seen my double and its compartments mirror mine which is two but when the double is within me I will be seen as having four. It is my belief when my physical body ceases to exist, my double and I will merge.
...a nagual being is born with four compartments, develops a complete double which uses two of the compartments and when death comes, the human self faces the Eagle but the complete double goes on unchallenged a by the design of power and the Eagle knows this rule. The nagual being must merge into the complete double and perform the feat before its "human self" is devoured.
Wolf...
Thank you for your perspective on this! It dovetails almost entirely with what I myself have seen & experienced - so much so that I wanted to share a link to a series of essays/articles I wrote about the double and double beings over the years. It is good to have validation that what I have seen/experienced is essentially the same as what you are describing, even if with slightly different words... still leading to the same place.
There is a "hidden" page on my website where these articles/essays can be viewed, if anyone is interested. Here are a few excerpts, with a link to the more indepth article on my site.
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NAGUALS & DOUBLE BEINGS - Why Do They Exist?
Though it has been said by don Juan and others that no one really knows why Naguals are simply born with 4 compartments of energy rather than the traditional two, I think I might have uncovered a vague inkling of why this is so. As we create our double and project that energetic self into eternity, it is given the agenda (at least in the case of my own double, Orlando) of teaching me how to be eternal, how to conjoin with him so that I can experience my own Wholeness. In other words, the primary function of the double-being is to serve as a conduit between the mortal self and the totality-of-oneself.
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If we look at our mortal lives like a train trip, and we get to the end of the line (the eagle, death, transformation), our Intent is to step off the train, embrace the energetic double, and inhabit our totality. BUT... if for some reason the mortal self fails in its bid for cohesion within the double, there is a theory that the double actually goes "back in time" (as it were) to within the time-frame of the mortal lifespan... and begins the whole procedure again. Orlando says he and I have ridden the ghost train a few times (not a pleasant idea), but not surprising, considering everything I now know. It's like that scene in THE MATRIX where Neo first jumps off the building. One of the others remarks, "Everybody falls the first time." I think that's true here, too, which may account for why the idea of "past lives" is so popular. Some of those "past lives" may well be our individual journeys on the ghost train, if that makes any sense at all. It is the double’s journey toward Wholeness, toward fulfilling the agenda with which the mortal created it through free will.
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Since the double is not limited to the confines of the linear human lifetime, and moves freely outside the box of time itself, the double can just as easily step back inside the framework of the mortal self. Put another way, the double can "possess" or "inhabit" or "open his/her eyes inside" of the mortal self. I've used the analogy in the past that the double could very easily "climb inside" the mortal self while that mortal self was still in the womb of her mother - and, indeed, this would make a lot of sense, because only then would the double-being exist in the first place. Why do this? Because the double is fighting for his/her own survival, too. And the only way to be sure it will survive would be to exist in such a position as to be able to exert influence over its mortal source from before the moment of birth. So, the double wriggles down comfortably inside his mortal self who is still in the womb, and when the infant is born, it would appear to a seer as having 4 compartments of energy instead of only two.
It's important to note that NONE of this frees even the Nagual from the responsibility of "creating the double through dreaming" in the first place, in the Now. Because even though the double may come into this life with the mortal infant, thus explaining WHY Naguals are born with 4 compartments of energy instead of only two, with the ability to exert powerful influence over that child from even before the moment of birth, it is still the mortal self who must exert free will and force the double to go through the motions of actually occurring.
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To read the entire article...
http://www.quantumshaman.com/html/naguals.htm
Thanks again. Your words come the closest to my own understanding of any I have ever encountered, and I know and acknowledge that can only come from direct personal experience.
Unconditionally,
D
A four compartment being has a complete double that can and does coexist within or with out the physical being. This double is connected to the designs of the spirit. A nagual being uses its complete double to survive physical death whether it chooses to or not.
... but the true verification is through the link with spirit for the other's nagual double may not be present when being 'seen.' This link can be described as having a constant companion which is unseen but always with you. I have seen my double and its compartments mirror mine which is two but when the double is within me I will be seen as having four. It is my belief when my physical body ceases to exist, my double and I will merge.
...a nagual being is born with four compartments, develops a complete double which uses two of the compartments and when death comes, the human self faces the Eagle but the complete double goes on unchallenged a by the design of power and the Eagle knows this rule. The nagual being must merge into the complete double and perform the feat before its "human self" is devoured.
Wolf...
Thank you for your perspective on this! It dovetails almost entirely with what I myself have seen & experienced - so much so that I wanted to share a link to a series of essays/articles I wrote about the double and double beings over the years. It is good to have validation that what I have seen/experienced is essentially the same as what you are describing, even if with slightly different words... still leading to the same place.
There is a "hidden" page on my website where these articles/essays can be viewed, if anyone is interested. Here are a few excerpts, with a link to the more indepth article on my site.
____________________
NAGUALS & DOUBLE BEINGS - Why Do They Exist?
Though it has been said by don Juan and others that no one really knows why Naguals are simply born with 4 compartments of energy rather than the traditional two, I think I might have uncovered a vague inkling of why this is so. As we create our double and project that energetic self into eternity, it is given the agenda (at least in the case of my own double, Orlando) of teaching me how to be eternal, how to conjoin with him so that I can experience my own Wholeness. In other words, the primary function of the double-being is to serve as a conduit between the mortal self and the totality-of-oneself.
~
If we look at our mortal lives like a train trip, and we get to the end of the line (the eagle, death, transformation), our Intent is to step off the train, embrace the energetic double, and inhabit our totality. BUT... if for some reason the mortal self fails in its bid for cohesion within the double, there is a theory that the double actually goes "back in time" (as it were) to within the time-frame of the mortal lifespan... and begins the whole procedure again. Orlando says he and I have ridden the ghost train a few times (not a pleasant idea), but not surprising, considering everything I now know. It's like that scene in THE MATRIX where Neo first jumps off the building. One of the others remarks, "Everybody falls the first time." I think that's true here, too, which may account for why the idea of "past lives" is so popular. Some of those "past lives" may well be our individual journeys on the ghost train, if that makes any sense at all. It is the double’s journey toward Wholeness, toward fulfilling the agenda with which the mortal created it through free will.
~
Since the double is not limited to the confines of the linear human lifetime, and moves freely outside the box of time itself, the double can just as easily step back inside the framework of the mortal self. Put another way, the double can "possess" or "inhabit" or "open his/her eyes inside" of the mortal self. I've used the analogy in the past that the double could very easily "climb inside" the mortal self while that mortal self was still in the womb of her mother - and, indeed, this would make a lot of sense, because only then would the double-being exist in the first place. Why do this? Because the double is fighting for his/her own survival, too. And the only way to be sure it will survive would be to exist in such a position as to be able to exert influence over its mortal source from before the moment of birth. So, the double wriggles down comfortably inside his mortal self who is still in the womb, and when the infant is born, it would appear to a seer as having 4 compartments of energy instead of only two.
It's important to note that NONE of this frees even the Nagual from the responsibility of "creating the double through dreaming" in the first place, in the Now. Because even though the double may come into this life with the mortal infant, thus explaining WHY Naguals are born with 4 compartments of energy instead of only two, with the ability to exert powerful influence over that child from even before the moment of birth, it is still the mortal self who must exert free will and force the double to go through the motions of actually occurring.
______________
To read the entire article...
http://www.quantumshaman.com/html/naguals.htm
Thanks again. Your words come the closest to my own understanding of any I have ever encountered, and I know and acknowledge that can only come from direct personal experience.
Unconditionally,
D