06-16-2011, 12:00 AM
There is one thing that no one has mentioned so far.. that is landscape. the country, the land.. the languages are connected to the land and countryside, the place, nature there.
In this sense I am pointing to the fact that it is quite possible some words are powerful in some places and others in other places. This feels right to me. I often switch to local language without really intending the switch when I intend to speak to the place or for other specific purposes. In that sense these words have most living energy. (I remember once telling to the forest, I am sorry I do not know much French
, I'd like to have shown respect to the place also by talking to it in the native language, connect better/faster with its heart/soul).
Which would be the opposite to what many are saying in this thread, that the dead languages have more power cause nobody speaks them. This is bull in the case when you wish to speak to the spirits of a place where this language is not of the roots (by which I am not saying one cannot use other languages or that the spirits do not understand the no-language language of the heart/soul). The fact is that sometimes power choses me to speak in a bit older form of a language than the modern, in some rare cases like when telling stories, but that is just a slight difference (I think this is also to get energy into these older forms and make the language as it is now more fluid), as I am not educated enough to speak the oldest forms of languages. But it is always in the right country that the right language comes, or my own mother tongue (or the other language that is deeply connected to me). I know Latin though and I do not remember an instance when this wanted to flow from me, at least at the time when this language was a bit closer, cause now years passed and I am forgetting it, since I am not using it.
The dead languages in this sense that I am speaking of are often just an attention catcher and something for the sorcerer to get into a fancier mood. Which is quite helpful, for if this makes him believe he can move the earth then this is what he needs to do. I am not talking about mantras here though (those I understand also in the sense of vibrations). But imagine going to speak to a snail in your garden and talking ancient Greek... hope you get my point . The sorcerer speaking (often even to him) in-understandable "gibberish" is invoking other beings, working with other stuff.
I like the meaning of abracadabra though. That one is magical in its old form meaning. Has great sense for sorcerers. But I do not find myself using the word itself even if I respect it and honor and keep in mind its meaning. This word however became native in most languages .
I much more prefer the language of the soul "gibberish," which is sacred for me. It is more sacred than any old language, especially since it is alive and flowing, full of energy at any given moment that one speaks it. Because it is always in the moment. Always alive.
Old languages are more like a can . They have canned energy, as opposed to fresh living energy that the language of the soul has.
Hehe this just came to me, but somehow makes sense. lol
Did not mean to offend anyone with this post, so hopefully I didn't. Everything has a function. The old languages have a function and it is even sacred. But I want to point to the fact that what is local has more power in the local setting. Not very long ago I have been pointed to the fact how this is with religion. How the religion of a place was always connected to the spirits of that place and to stories of that place etc (this part I of course knew, now comes the thing). Our big religions also started as local at some point. And then they were implanted on us. Their version of understanding had much more power and connectedness to reality at the place where it was organic. Implants are sometimes not organic and are therefore not the highest possibility for us.
It is like Odin is in the north, Perun is for the Slavic peoples. It is like imagining an African tribe calling to Perun, or calling some Teochlachtwatever in the Carpathian mountains, might just be absurd. not that one cannot get a connection from anywhere to these spirits. but some are just more in place (which ultimately means have more power in that place - am taking note of how the language actually works) than others.
Sometimes if things get disconnected from the place they lose some of their meaning and power. Sometimes implants do a lot of harm (Christianity comes to mind). It is not natural for those people what was natural for people elsewhere. Maybe they needed to have certain customs and had reason for having them, but in another setting these customs are just inhibiting or unnatural.
This what I am talking about is pointing also to the fact that in order to be with power one needs to be most connected to the present. We live in the now. Here and Now. You can keep your habits from a place you lived in 5 years ago, but they might be more a burden than helpful. What was good to do in central Africa is not that good to do in Norway. Same with spirits. One needs to be fluid and often the old languages that are used for sorcery (in formulas and specific incantations) create or go hand in hand with some form of rigidity. But I guess that would also go hand in hand with the fact that these old types of sorcerers are a bit more rigid, as one talks about it here on this forum mainly in connection to their self-importance and no ego shedding. They have a different mood and work with different things in different ways(here I am really thinking of old sorcerers/magicians, not those who were leaving earth in nagual parties, I do not know that much about them, but I understand from what CC said that they also go in these directions). I will gladly be corrected in what I say about sorcerers, I really do not have too much experience in this field. In this sense I am working with what I read in CC and what others share on sites such as these and with the little of my own experience in this field and with the people practicing this stuff.
In this sense I am pointing to the fact that it is quite possible some words are powerful in some places and others in other places. This feels right to me. I often switch to local language without really intending the switch when I intend to speak to the place or for other specific purposes. In that sense these words have most living energy. (I remember once telling to the forest, I am sorry I do not know much French
, I'd like to have shown respect to the place also by talking to it in the native language, connect better/faster with its heart/soul).Which would be the opposite to what many are saying in this thread, that the dead languages have more power cause nobody speaks them. This is bull in the case when you wish to speak to the spirits of a place where this language is not of the roots (by which I am not saying one cannot use other languages or that the spirits do not understand the no-language language of the heart/soul). The fact is that sometimes power choses me to speak in a bit older form of a language than the modern, in some rare cases like when telling stories, but that is just a slight difference (I think this is also to get energy into these older forms and make the language as it is now more fluid), as I am not educated enough to speak the oldest forms of languages. But it is always in the right country that the right language comes, or my own mother tongue (or the other language that is deeply connected to me). I know Latin though and I do not remember an instance when this wanted to flow from me, at least at the time when this language was a bit closer, cause now years passed and I am forgetting it, since I am not using it.
The dead languages in this sense that I am speaking of are often just an attention catcher and something for the sorcerer to get into a fancier mood. Which is quite helpful, for if this makes him believe he can move the earth then this is what he needs to do. I am not talking about mantras here though (those I understand also in the sense of vibrations). But imagine going to speak to a snail in your garden and talking ancient Greek... hope you get my point . The sorcerer speaking (often even to him) in-understandable "gibberish" is invoking other beings, working with other stuff.
I like the meaning of abracadabra though. That one is magical in its old form meaning. Has great sense for sorcerers. But I do not find myself using the word itself even if I respect it and honor and keep in mind its meaning. This word however became native in most languages .
I much more prefer the language of the soul "gibberish," which is sacred for me. It is more sacred than any old language, especially since it is alive and flowing, full of energy at any given moment that one speaks it. Because it is always in the moment. Always alive.
Old languages are more like a can . They have canned energy, as opposed to fresh living energy that the language of the soul has.
Hehe this just came to me, but somehow makes sense. lol
Did not mean to offend anyone with this post, so hopefully I didn't. Everything has a function. The old languages have a function and it is even sacred. But I want to point to the fact that what is local has more power in the local setting. Not very long ago I have been pointed to the fact how this is with religion. How the religion of a place was always connected to the spirits of that place and to stories of that place etc (this part I of course knew, now comes the thing). Our big religions also started as local at some point. And then they were implanted on us. Their version of understanding had much more power and connectedness to reality at the place where it was organic. Implants are sometimes not organic and are therefore not the highest possibility for us.
It is like Odin is in the north, Perun is for the Slavic peoples. It is like imagining an African tribe calling to Perun, or calling some Teochlachtwatever in the Carpathian mountains, might just be absurd. not that one cannot get a connection from anywhere to these spirits. but some are just more in place (which ultimately means have more power in that place - am taking note of how the language actually works) than others.
Sometimes if things get disconnected from the place they lose some of their meaning and power. Sometimes implants do a lot of harm (Christianity comes to mind). It is not natural for those people what was natural for people elsewhere. Maybe they needed to have certain customs and had reason for having them, but in another setting these customs are just inhibiting or unnatural.
This what I am talking about is pointing also to the fact that in order to be with power one needs to be most connected to the present. We live in the now. Here and Now. You can keep your habits from a place you lived in 5 years ago, but they might be more a burden than helpful. What was good to do in central Africa is not that good to do in Norway. Same with spirits. One needs to be fluid and often the old languages that are used for sorcery (in formulas and specific incantations) create or go hand in hand with some form of rigidity. But I guess that would also go hand in hand with the fact that these old types of sorcerers are a bit more rigid, as one talks about it here on this forum mainly in connection to their self-importance and no ego shedding. They have a different mood and work with different things in different ways(here I am really thinking of old sorcerers/magicians, not those who were leaving earth in nagual parties, I do not know that much about them, but I understand from what CC said that they also go in these directions). I will gladly be corrected in what I say about sorcerers, I really do not have too much experience in this field. In this sense I am working with what I read in CC and what others share on sites such as these and with the little of my own experience in this field and with the people practicing this stuff.